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[myaari]

(Minor spoilers)

Apologies in advance if this issue has been brought up before - I checked back half a dozen pages and didn't see anything.

I imported a DAO-Awakening-Amgarrak-Witch Hunt chain save into DA2 and recently completed the game. It seemed to me, however, that events in Awakening had little if any impact on events in DA2, even where they should have. I'm trying to figure out if this is normal, or a result of some technical issue.

When initially importing the save, it confirmed the correct Awakening plot flags: Architect spared, Amaranthine saved, Vigil's Keep withstood assault, etc. But there were no Codex entries over the course of the game that referenced the events of Awakening in any explicit way (no entries on characters from Awakening other than Anders either), all characters in the game referred to the Warden only as "the Hero of Ferelden" rather than "Commander of the Grey" (I have heard that Bann Teagan is supposed to use "Commander of the Grey" in reference to the Warden during the Alistair quest in DA2), and I was unable to pick up the supposed Nathaniel Howe side quest (I understand this is a common issue).

The only references to the events of Awakening I've noticed (other than the obvious Anders/Justice connection, which is independent of save imports, I think) is that the Codex entry on the Hero of Ferelden mentions that after the Blight, the Hero took up the mantle of Warden-Commander (with no more detail than that), and also a cutscene conversation between Anders and Varric about the Blackmarsh (not sure if this an import-reliant conversation or not).

Is this all normal, or is something wrong?

Thanks!

[Xephyr829]

Same here. Nothing from Awakening seems to carry over.

[underhill1990]

my plot flags never even mentioned anything from awakenings, but I did get the Howe quest and he mentioned that the warden spared the Architect. I wasnt aware the plot flags mentioned awakenings decisions

[KingDan97]

I didn't even look at my plot flags... I just picked my most recent save for the warden I wanted imported... All of the import intensive things seemed to work though. I honestly just figured that since Amaranthine was in Ferelden that they lumped that in with my mastery of Archdemon slaying. I got a quest about conspirators, heard of me destroying the Mother and sparing the Architect. I saw Nathaniel and a few other small things I can't remember off the top of my head. Teagan also referred to me as the Commander of the Grey. I didn't see any real changes based on Witch Hunt or Golems but I didn't really expect to based on the size of them, and the fact that Morrigan shouldn't really be involved until DA3 at the earliest.

[underhill1990]

so if Teagen refers to you as "the warden" do you think the import didnt work properly?

[KingDan97]

underhill1990 wrote...

so if Teagen refers to you as "the warden" do you think the import didnt work properly?

I can't say for sure, after all I don't know what the process of importing the save details exactly, but I'd say there's a chance that your import failed somehow. I'm on 360, maybe it's an issue of platform?

[myaari]

Curious. I just spent a little time combing over the Codex in my post-game save checking if I missed anything. I did find a Notes entry received during the "Dark Epiphany" quest in which Avernus mentions the Architect in a letter to the Warden-Commander - but that quest is tied to whether the Warden completed the Warden's Keep DLC in DAO (I think). Not sure if the note changes or not based on Awakening, but either way, that was the only explicit reference to anything happening in Awakening I found (other than, as mentioned previously, Anders' entry).

KingDan97 - can you be more specific about the quest about conspirators? I don't remember anything like that in my playthrough, and I generally leave no quest stone unturned. Was it tied to the Awakening plotline about the conspiracy against the Warden?

Also, Teagan referred to my Warden not as "Commander of the Grey" or even "the Warden" but as "the Hero of Ferelden." I wonder if that changes based on your Warden's actions at the end of DAO - mine survived by letting Loghain kill the Archdemon, with no dark ritual performed. Or I wonder if just indicates that somehow, Awakening isn't being acknowledged in my save import (as also seems to be the case with SpectreWarden91).

I would try starting a whole new playthrough importing my Awakening save as opposed to my Witch Hunt save, since Witch Hunt/Golems actions don't actually seem to carry over, but that's a fairly large time commitment at the moment.

If anyone else could chime in either with specific references to Awakening they came across in DA2, or confirmation that you too seem to be missing out on them, that would be helpful in sussing out the problem (if indeed there is one).

[KingDan97]

myaari wrote...

Curious. I just spent a little time combing over the Codex in my post-game save checking if I missed anything. I did find a Notes entry received during the "Dark Epiphany" quest in which Avernus mentions the Architect in a letter to the Warden-Commander - but that quest is tied to whether the Warden completed the Warden's Keep DLC in DAO (I think). Not sure if the note changes or not based on Awakening, but either way, that was the only explicit reference to anything happening in Awakening I found (other than, as mentioned previously, Anders' entry).

KingDan97 - can you be more specific about the quest about conspirators? I don't remember anything like that in my playthrough, and I generally leave no quest stone unturned. Was it tied to the Awakening plotline about the conspiracy against the Warden?

Also, Teagan referred to my Warden not as "Commander of the Grey" or even "the Warden" but as "the Hero of Ferelden." I wonder if that changes based on your Warden's actions at the end of DAO - mine survived by letting Loghain kill the Archdemon, with no dark ritual performed. Or I wonder if just indicates that somehow, Awakening isn't being acknowledged in my save import (as also seems to be the case with SpectreWarden91).

I would try starting a whole new playthrough importing my Awakening save as opposed to my Witch Hunt save, since Witch Hunt/Golems actions don't actually seem to carry over, but that's a fairly large time commitment at the moment.

If anyone else could chime in either with specific references to Awakening they came across in DA2, or confirmation that you too seem to be missing out on them, that would be helpful in sussing out the problem (if indeed there is one).

I found a merc in Lowtown who said that she'd been hired by the Commander of the Grey. She mentioned the people who stood by Howe and were disenfranchised by my(Warden's) removal of him and that they'd pay me to kill them. I did and I think I got a warden related item, it was the Warden's Oath if I recall correctly, but don't quote me on it. I know I got the quest though, I just wasn't sure if it was because of my actions in Awakening or just me playing it.

I remember coming across a couple of items I think were from my Warden, but yet again, I don't remember exact specifics and I don't even think I kept most of them.

[myaari]

KingDan97 wrote...

I found a merc in Lowtown who said that she'd been hired by the Commander of the Grey. She mentioned the people who stood by Howe and were disenfranchised by my(Warden's) removal of him and that they'd pay me to kill them. I did and I think I got a warden related item, it was the Warden's Oath if I recall correctly, but don't quote me on it. I know I got the quest though, I just wasn't sure if it was because of my actions in Awakening or just me playing it.

I remember coming across a couple of items I think were from my Warden, but yet again, I don't remember exact specifics and I don't even think I kept most of them.

Strange. If this is the quest
you're referring to, and I think it must be, I never saw anything like
that in my playthrough, and I have trouble believing I just missed it
(especially if the quest-giving NPC has an exclamation point over their
head). Definitely starting to seem like Awakening saves aren't importing for some people, or at least not triggering the proper responses in DA2.

[KingDan97]

myaari wrote...

KingDan97 wrote...

I found a merc in Lowtown who said that she'd been hired by the Commander of the Grey. She mentioned the people who stood by Howe and were disenfranchised by my(Warden's) removal of him and that they'd pay me to kill them. I did and I think I got a warden related item, it was the Warden's Oath if I recall correctly, but don't quote me on it. I know I got the quest though, I just wasn't sure if it was because of my actions in Awakening or just me playing it.

I remember coming across a couple of items I think were from my Warden, but yet again, I don't remember exact specifics and I don't even think I kept most of them.

Strange. If this is the quest
you're referring to, and I think it must be, I never saw anything like
that in my playthrough, and I have trouble believing I just missed it
(especially if the quest-giving NPC has an exclamation point over their
head). Definitely starting to seem like Awakening saves aren't importing for some people, or at least not triggering the proper responses in DA2.

Yeah, that's it. and as the page says, I did burn Amaranthine.

[Heather Cline]

The conspirators quest is available only to those who saved Vigil's Keep. There is an opposite quest that you get if you saved Amaranthine.

Most of the plot flags from DA Awakenings do import properly into DA2. But only the major ones. However there are some plot flags that don't import properly. Like the reference to The Architect being killed in Awakenings if you killed him. More often than not from what has been seen by other gamers, the plot flag doesn't check properly for DA2 and you still get Nathaniel Howe referring to the Architect as being spared.

The romance options for Leliana from DA:O if importing a Witch Hunt save do not import properly for some reason. That will probably be fixed in the patch update.

[Xephyr829]

I'm always referred as "The Hero of Ferelden", and I never get the Howe quest.

[Heather Cline]

To get the Howe quest you need to be in Act 3. You have to have recruited Howe into the Wardens in Awakenings and he had to have lived through the Attack on Vigil's Keep. In Hightown you will run into Delila Howe and she will give you the quest. But you have to find her in Hightown first during Act 3.

[myaari]

Heather Cline wrote...

The conspirators quest is available only to those who saved Vigil's Keep. There is an opposite quest that you get if you saved Amaranthine.

Do you happen to know what the opposite quest is? I don't remember any references to Amaranthine period.

Most of the plot flags from DA Awakenings do import properly into DA2. But only the major ones. However there are some plot flags that don't import properly. Like the reference to The Architect being killed in Awakenings if you killed him. More often than not from what has been seen by other gamers, the plot flag doesn't check properly for DA2 and you still get Nathaniel Howe referring to the Architect as being spared.

Right, but I never even got the Nathaniel Howe quest to appear. As far as the major plot flags importing properly, I only saw them referenced in the initial save import menu when pressing the Y button to check the flags - in the game proper, the events of Awakening were never mentioned. I'm thinking that, rather than instances of some plot flags not being checked properly, what certain people may be seeing is a case where no plot flags are checked properly - imported save states where Awakening, for all intents and purposes, did not happen. What I'd really like to see is a way to confirm in actual gameplay that DA2 acknowledges the specific events of an imported Awakening save - special quests, Codex entries, companion/NPC conversations, whatever - that people can check their own games against. You know..."Situation/Conversation X occurs in Dragon Age II only if a save game was successfully imported from Awakening."

Do any of you all who imported Awakening save data into DA2 without encountering any potential issues know of anything like that (I would think any Awakening-related Codex entries would be the easiest way to check, if such things do indeed exist)? So far we've seen the Conspirators and the Nathaniel Howe quests as examples, but some people are definitely not getting those.

Modifié par myaari, 20 mars 2011 - 01:53 .

[KingDan97]

myaari wrote...

Heather Cline wrote...

The conspirators quest is available only to those who saved Vigil's Keep. There is an opposite quest that you get if you saved Amaranthine.

Do you happen to know what the opposite quest is? I don't remember any references to Amaranthine period.

Most of the plot flags from DA Awakenings do import properly into DA2. But only the major ones. However there are some plot flags that don't import properly. Like the reference to The Architect being killed in Awakenings if you killed him. More often than not from what has been seen by other gamers, the plot flag doesn't check properly for DA2 and you still get Nathaniel Howe referring to the Architect as being spared.

Right, but I never even got the Nathaniel Howe quest to appear. As far as the major plot flags importing properly, I only saw them referenced in the initial save import menu when pressing the Y button to check the flags - in the game proper, the events of Awakening were never mentioned. I'm thinking that, rather than instances of some plot flags not being checked properly, what certain people may be seeing is a case where no plot flags are checked properly - imported save states where Awakening, for all intents and purposes, did not happen. What I'd really like to see is a way to confirm in actual gameplay that DA2 acknowledges the specific events of an imported Awakening save - special quests, Codex entries, companion/NPC conversations, whatever - that people can check their own games against. You know..."Situation/Conversation X occurs in Dragon Age II only if a save game was successfully imported from Awakening."

Do any of you all who imported Awakening save data into DA2 without encountering any potential issues know of anything like that (I would think any Awakening-related Codex entries would be the easiest way to check, if such things do indeed exist)? So far we've seen the Conspirators and the Nathaniel Howe quests as examples, but some people are definitely not getting those.

That all depends on the wiki tbh. The save import listing for ME1-ME2 is impressive, detailing things that work and don't and covering basically everything you'd need to know. Whereas the DA2 and Awakening lists are currently just a paragraph of general shifts if you import. I doubt that a forum list could be organized efficiently but if you want to put in the effort than take the currently known carryovers that're confirmed and ask for any others.

Other than that, there's not much that can be done to solidify whether the import worked aside from missing content.

[Heather Cline]

myaari as I stated. To get the Howe quest you had to meet Delila Howe, Nathaniel's sister in Hightown in Act 3 and you had to have recruited him into the grey wardens and he had to survive the assault on Vigil's Keep. Since you did not search for Delila Howe and did not state that you recruited him in Awakenings and had him survive the Assault on Vigil's Keep, I must assume that you cannot get the quest because of those factors.

As for Codex entries and conversations... Anders has plot flags when meeting up with Nathaniel if you take him along to find the guy. He also reacts to Alistair if you bring him along there. So there are some Awakenings stuff for conversations but not a lot. DA2 isn't supposed to be a direct continuation of Awakenings. Yes you have Anders and Nathaniel and even Alistair referring to events in DA:O but nothing in depth or ground breaking. It was done intentionally. Plus there is DLC that will expound upon DA2. Maybe you will get your wish and they will do a DLC that will give more depth that you want.

[myaari]

Heather Cline wrote...

myaari as I stated. To get the Howe quest you had to meet Delila Howe, Nathaniel's sister in Hightown in Act 3 and you had to have recruited him into the grey wardens and he had to survive the assault on Vigil's Keep. Since you did not search for Delila Howe and did not state that you recruited him in Awakenings and had him survive the Assault on Vigil's Keep, I must assume that you cannot get the quest because of those factors.

As for Codex entries and conversations... Anders has plot flags when meeting up with Nathaniel if you take him along to find the guy. He also reacts to Alistair if you bring him along there. So there are some Awakenings stuff for conversations but not a lot. DA2 isn't supposed to be a direct continuation of Awakenings. Yes you have Anders and Nathaniel and even Alistair referring to events in DA:O but nothing in depth or ground breaking. It was done intentionally. Plus there is DLC that will expound upon DA2. Maybe you will get your wish and they will do a DLC that will give more depth that you want.

I did search for Delilah Howe and fulfilled all other requirements for Nathaniel's appearance in DA2. The quest should be there, but is not (this seems to be a common issue). Since there are apparently other Awakening-related quests that did not appear during my DA2 playthrough but should have, I am only trying to figure out whether there is some technical explanation for the lack of Awakening-related content for certain players in DA2 that by all rights should be there - quests (and potentially other material) that are in the game, but did not trigger properly.

I am not complaining that DA2 is not a direct continuation of Awakening, I am not wishing per se for any greater depth vis-a-vis Awakening in the game or in future DLC, I'm only trying to figure out what is causing this apparent mis-import of Awakening save data, and whether any other players had the same problem. If there are multiple players whose Witch Hunt imports seemingly failed to include Awakenings save data when they should have, and thus were unable to take part in DA2 content that stems from imported Awakening data, it is a technical issue that should be noted at least for posterity's sake, yes?

Or to put it another way, some people who imported Awakening data saw Awakening-related plot material in DA2 (certain sidequests, references to the "Commander of the Grey," etc.). Some people (at least, so far, SpectreWarden91 and myself) who imported Awakening data, on the other hand, seem to be missing out on this material (sort of like when Witch Hunt, pre-patch, misread players' save files regarding the Dark Promise ritual, if you will). I'd just like to know if this dichotomy is indeed a technical issue, and if so what lies behind it.

[Xephyr829]

I'm gonna do another playthrough and directly import from Awakening, not Golems or Witch Hunt. Since there is no plot flags in those yet.

[Heather Cline]

As far as I know the plot flags for Awakenings and Golems are just not activating properly. From Awakenings and DA:O they are.

I haven't run into the no Nathaniel glitch. However haven't heard of anyone refer to my DA:O/Awakenings character as Commander of the Grey or Warden Commander in DA2. Always referred to as Hero of Ferelden. But I get that you are having a bug and hopefully it will be patched in the update here whenever it comes out.

[TOBY FLENDERSON]

Nathanials quest didn't even activate for me. I saved him in awakening and imported by chain save from Witch hunt. I used a manual save though since I didn't have and auto save.

Does it matter if i used a manual save or an autosave from Witch hunt?

[Heather Cline]

Not really no it doesn't matter. Though you should have gotten an auto-save from the end of Witch Hunt. That is if you downloaded the patch for Witch Hunt and re-played the ending where you meet Morrigan.