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[thenemesis77]

What do you think your Warden would have done.


As I played mine, I think he would have been pissed for killing alot of people that should not have died, but I did back the mages in DAO so I just think it would be hard, hell the Warden gave him "Sir Pounce alot".   It made me sad to see Anders lose his mind.

[Sabresandiego]

This was a very hard decision to make. Both the mages, and the templars are wrong. I sort of made a middle of the road decision by banishing anders instead of killing him, then siding with the mages anyways.

Look how many bad mages there are, there needs to be a templar force, and a circle, but they need to fix the rules and give mages more freedoms and such. Its a tough subject.

[Dante Angelo]

My Warden would've backhand slapped him and then tell him that when he said mage should be free he didn't mean blowing up the chantry

[Bigdoser]

Sabresandiego wrote...

This was a very hard decision to make. Both the mages, and the templars are wrong. I sort of made a middle of the road decision by banishing anders instead of killing him, then siding with the mages anyways.

Look how many bad mages there are, there needs to be a templar force, and a circle, but they need to fix the rules and give mages more freedoms and such. Its a tough subject.

I agree but the chantry will refuse to change heck they reject the mage boon without even giving it a thought. My warden would of said you started the fireworks without me? I would of helped blowing it up (My main is a Mage)

Modifié par Bigdoser, 19 mars 2011 - 11:48 .

[SmokeyTheBear]

My dwarf would come back from the dead, and ride a flaming, flying motorcycle out of hell, beating Anders into a pulp, and raising his hammer.

"For blowing up a church........"
"WITHOUT ME!"
"I'll give you a very bad finger-wagging. That wasn't a nice thing to do. Even IF I did help."

[TheBlackBaron]

thenemesis77 wrote...

What do you think your Warden would have done.


As I played mine, I think he would have been pissed for killing alot of people that should not have died, but I did back the mages in DAO so I just think it would be hard, hell the Warden gave him "Sir Pounce alot".   It made me sad to see Anders lose his mind.

"Unacceptable methods. Won't change. No choice. Have to kill you."

[Icy Magebane]

My canon Warden? TBH he was pretty damn evil and anti-chantry. Undoubtedly, he would have helped Anders and then rewarded him with a pat on the back when it was over. One of his primary goals was to harm the Chantry in any way possible, and he wasn't above committing murder whenever the mood struck him... Not a good guy at all, really.

[AlexXIV]

My Warden would have done the same as my Hawke. Told him how disappointed she is and to go away.

Modifié par AlexXIV, 20 mars 2011 - 12:01 .

[Clonedzero]

the warden would stand there with a blank stare.
then stab him with a triangle shaped knife without his face moving at all like a creepy robot.

[Dante Angelo]

Icy Magebane wrote...

My canon Warden? TBH he was pretty damn evil and anti-chantry. Undoubtedly, he would have helped Anders and then rewarded him with a pat on the back when it was over. One of his primary goals was to harm the Chantry in any way possible, and he wasn't above committing murder whenever the mood struck him... Not a good guy at all, really.

My non canon warden would do the same thing except after giving Anders a pat on the back he'd stab him like he did to morrigan

[AlexXIV]

You know I am just saying this. Many people hate Anders for what he did, then kill him for revenge. That makes you just act like him. He also did it for revenge. Or maybe even a better reason.

[LobselVith8]

Bigdoser wrote...

I agree but the chantry will refuse to change heck they reject the mage boon without even giving it a thought. My warden would of said you started the fireworks without me? I would of helped blowing it up (My main is a Mage)

I always found that jarring when I originally played Awakening and imported the Hero of Ferelden. Considering that we run into templars and Wynne, you'd think the writers would have given us at least one line of dialogue to say that the Chantry turned it down. My Surana Warden asked for the Circle of Ferelden to be given its independence, and found it odd that nobody in the arling of Amaranthine or the Circle Tower (Witch Hunt) ever made reference to it. You'd imagine Anders would, given how many times he ran away from the Circle and how much he hated the templars.

In regards to the OP, my canon Warden was from the Surana background and probably wouldn't have killed Anders for what he did. Surana followed Duncan's line of thought - to do whatever it takes to achieve victory. He was fairly pragmatic, keeping Avernus alive at Warden's Keep, using blood magic, and keeping the Anvil intact, in the name of fighting the darkspawn and winning the battle against them because he knew how high the stakes were. My Hero of Ferelden knew Anders from Amaranthine, recruited him, and they were good friends. I don't think he would have killed him any more than my apostate Hawke did.

I imagine there would likely be a bigger difference if they discussed the last Harrowmont: my pro-Bhelen Warden would probably have done something drastically different than my apostate Hawke did in sparring the last surviving member of House Harrowmont.

[Zing Freelancer]

AlexXIV wrote...

You know I am just saying this. Many people hate Anders for what he did, then kill him for revenge. That makes you just act like him. He also did it for revenge. Or maybe even a better reason.

The guy went NUTS... NUTS!
He destroyed a church! A CHURCH! Not a military base.
I killed him to release him from his suffering.

[Oneiropolos]

Honestly, I think the Warden would have caught on a heck of alot sooner than Hawke even begins to get suspicions. My Warden was a rogue trained by Zevran as an assassin.. she probably would have have had Meredith assassinated for being crazy quite a bit earlier and focussed on Anders from the start when he said he had a problem with Justice turning into Vengeance. There HAD to have been some sort of solution to that, and since my Warden KNEW Justice AND Anders before, she'd have found a way to separate them before Anders went off the deep end. Because it was sort of blatantly obvious that Anders was going to go insane. She'd also have the advantage of realizing that the Anders she knew before was not how Anders is now, and that he needed -help-. She went through too much before to accept "Eh, it's impossible." now.

[InvaderErl]

AlexXIV wrote...

You know I am just saying this. Many people hate Anders for what he did, then kill him for revenge. That makes you just act like him. He also did it for revenge. Or maybe even a better reason.

Except the people in the Chantry didn't go and blow anybody up in order to start off a war so its not really an apt comparison.

[SkittlesKat96]

I let him stay with the group to repay what he did and live a life knowing the bad thing that he did...he wasn't proud of what he did either but for him the end justified the means (which I disagree with in that situation.)

I was also annoyed because personally I wanted compromise with the templars and mages, maybe he was right that compromise can't and won't happen and will just make things worse but still, no what ifs.

[thenemesis77]

Clonedzero wrote...

the warden would stand there with a blank stare.
then stab him with a triangle shaped knife without his face moving at all like a creepy robot.

That is funny, but my Warden did that a few times and no text or VO was needed to get that point across.

Modifié par thenemesis77, 20 mars 2011 - 12:51 .

[ShrinkingFish]

I agree entirely with Ander's actions. And I do mean that. I am not just trying to be a troll.

He was the only one brave enough to make the tough choice by forcing the conflict. In that one action he ended a self perpetuating cycle of abuse and extremism. Now everyone will have to pick a side and get down to killing each other until all the extremists are dead and whoever is left can finally get around to a productive discussion of the core issues and possibly come up with a solution that isn't doomed to failure.

I spared Anders out of respect for his convictions and for his cause.

Plus he was, hands down, the single most interesting and compelling companion I have ever seen in a Bioware game. I couldn't bring myself to kill such an amazing character. I mean, worst case scenario, he's going to go out in the world and keep making the story interesting!

Modifié par ShrinkingFish, 20 mars 2011 - 12:56 .

[Khayness]

According to my Warden's epilogue, Anders remained with the Order and trained new wardens.

The DA2 Anders is an obvious doppelganger, the Commander would have noticed it right off the bat.

[STARSBarry]

look im not gonna lie when anders pulled his reverse orbital strike beacon attack the first thing on my mind was.... WHY THE HELL DIDNT YOU DO THAT ON THE DAMN HIGH DRAGON YOU ****

Modifié par STARSBarry, 20 mars 2011 - 12:57 .

[InvaderErl]

ShrinkingFish wrote...

 In that one action he ended a self perpetuating cycle of abuse and extremism.

I think ironically he's only escalated it. The Templars will either be defeated and the Mages will create a new Tevinter, the tone he set for the revolution was the worst one possible; I think this is without a visionary taking control the only realistic outcome of a Mage victory, or the Templars will win and put down the Mages without even what little control Chantry oversight provided.

Modifié par InvaderErl, 20 mars 2011 - 01:02 .

[LobselVith8]

Khayness wrote...

According to my Warden's epilogue, Anders remained with the Order and trained new wardens.

I guess he did that in the six months he spent in Amaranthine, until Justice abandoned his decaying body to Kristoff's wife, and then Anders headed off to Kirkwall to help the mages.

[Another_Golden_Dragon]

Maria Hawke, an Apostate Mage/Spirit Healer, took a bit of time to think about it, then (eventually) Married him.

Canon: Alistair and Warden Married, Architect Destroyed, and Anders had a cat.

As for what Elyndra Thierin would do:  She'd probably scream at him for an hour or so, then ignore him for a month or 2....

Modifié par Another_Golden_Dragon, 20 mars 2011 - 01:03 .

[nateobean]

I let anders live and stay with my party for two reasons 1) i wanted to give him a chance to make up for what he did and 2) as i was a rogue he was the only mage that could cast freaking healing magic (besides bethany who comes back at the end of the game)

[ShrinkingFish]

InvaderErl wrote...

ShrinkingFish wrote...

 In that one action he ended a self perpetuating cycle of abuse and extremism.

I think ironically he's only escalated it. The Templars will either be defeated and the Mages will create a new Tevinter, the tone he set for the revolution was the worst one possible; I think this is without a visionary taking control the only realistic outcome of a Mage victory, or the Templars will win and put down the Mages without even what little control Chantry oversight provided.

I disagree. Several of the characters in the game as well as the majority of people on this forum seem to nail down the possible alternatives to two or three very narrow minded points of view.

Wars of this kind serve to get rid of the bad blood. When enough people have died peace will be found again. At least for a time. But peace is always temporary anyways. And the long term is trivial at best.

Modifié par ShrinkingFish, 20 mars 2011 - 01:07 .