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[Khayness]

LobselVith8 wrote...

I guess he did that in the six months he spent in Amaranthine, until Justice abandoned his decaying body to Kristoff's wife, and then Anders headed off to Kirkwall to help the mages.

He only goes AWOL for 2 months then returns to the Order for the rest of his life.

[JamieCOTC]

My Warden would have let him keep the cat. Problem solved.

[TeamLexana]

Oneiropolos wrote...

Honestly, I think the Warden would have caught on a heck of alot sooner than Hawke even begins to get suspicions. My Warden was a rogue trained by Zevran as an assassin.. she probably would have have had Meredith assassinated for being crazy quite a bit earlier and focussed on Anders from the start when he said he had a problem with Justice turning into Vengeance. There HAD to have been some sort of solution to that, and since my Warden KNEW Justice AND Anders before, she'd have found a way to separate them before Anders went off the deep end. Because it was sort of blatantly obvious that Anders was going to go insane. She'd also have the advantage of realizing that the Anders she knew before was not how Anders is now, and that he needed -help-. She went through too much before to accept "Eh, it's impossible." now.

I agree. Plus Freindship, lol.

STARSBarry wrote...

look im not gonna lie when anders pulled his reverse orbital strike beacon attack the first thing on my mind was.... WHY THE HELL DIDNT YOU DO THAT ON THE DAMN HIGH DRAGON YOU ****

Lol, I know right?

[lilco]

If my Warden was still his commander, she would've been pissed. Big time. My canon Warden valued trust and order above everything, even though she'd put friendship before law. Still, she would've dragged Anders back to the First Warden to get his punishment - but of course after telling Orsino and Meredith to suck it up.

A person under my Warden's command getting involved in terrorism is a no-go, friend or no.

[InvaderErl]

ShrinkingFish wrote...

I disagree. Several of the characters in the game as well as the majority of people on this forum seem to nail down the possible alternatives to two or three very narrow minded points of view.

Wars of this kind serve to get rid of the bad blood. When enough people have died peace will be found again. At least for a time. But peace is always temporary anyways. And the long term is trivial at best.

But the Mages are not a nation, they simply cannot drain the bad blood out of their system and return to a state of peace. We're talking about a portion of the population of each country that literally have powers far beyond and above those of your average individuals. They represent a constant threat to stability and one I can't see Thedas realistically not seeking to control and constrain.

Eventually either the Mages will be beaten and forced to submit once again or they will defeat and conquer their aggressors leading to Mage-dominated socieities.

Modifié par InvaderErl, 20 mars 2011 - 01:27 .

[Wingzero87]

If given the choice, my Warden - (Dwarven Commoner - Warrior) would have back handed him, proceeded to call him an idiot, launch into a massive speech on how he didn't face a High Dragon, Undead, Werewolves, Golems, demons, an archdemon followed by a varterral then the children and the mother and then to finish the whole thing a harvester (That is time line I choose to believe the events happened) only for him to go decide that its a better idea to directly attack a neutral party (I belief the grand cleric was neutral and would have endeavoured to foster peace between the mages and the templars if not for the association of the chantry) by blowing up a building, which could have injured/killed innocents therefore giving the templars the support of the people.

Then he would have made Anders help fix the mess while then responding to Sebastians little threat of bringing an army by telling him to go right ahead but right now, I have more important things to worry about which is stopping this from spilling over into the streets and harming innocents.

But then again, my Warden always stood up for the people and injustice and would side with the mages anyhow but would have been the voice of reason.

[Dean_the_Young]

King Cousland would have been incredibly exasperated and done his best to ****-slap Anders back in line and then sided with the Templars.

When Anders would refuse, King Cousland would rather maim, not kill, Anders and keep him around for accountability (or tranquility) later, rather than kill him out right.

[LobselVith8]

Khayness wrote...

LobselVith8 wrote...

I guess he did that in the six months he spent in Amaranthine, until Justice abandoned his decaying body to Kristoff's wife, and then Anders headed off to Kirkwall to help the mages.

He only goes AWOL for 2 months then returns to the Order for the rest of his life.

There's also the question of why there's no independent Circle of Orzammar when you ask for the Magi boon if the Chantry turns it down, so...

[LadyJaneGrey]

My Warden would have turned in or killed Anders much earlier.

[MKDAWUSS]

My Warden probably would have killed him. My Hawke didn't.

[KnightofPhoenix]

My Warden, Arcturus Cousland, would keep him alive so he can execute him publicly later and hope that will sate some of the bloodlust.

[Lethys1]

So blowing up a religious institution is justified because a loosely related, other institution tries to protect people through some unnecessarily rough means?  Wrong.  Anders destroys the chance for peace with his actions.  He's a terrorist, and both my Warden and Hawke would've killed him.  If anything, my Warden would kill my Hawke for allowing Merrill and Isabela to keep living for so long.

[PirateT138]

Like someone else mentioned, my Warden would have gotten up in everyone's business and calmed everyone the hell down much earlier. He was a doer, he ended civil wars and stopped ancient evil in the time Hawke was running around delivering letters for the Red Iron.

Then by the time Hawke eventually gets around to fighting the Qunari, the Warden has slain 5 or 6 more ancient evils, pal'd around with spirits from the Fade, established a new base of operations for the Wardens, rebuilt the damn keep, foiled assassination plots against him, equipped an army of Silver Knights (with Wade's help) and finally peaces out with a fine piece of tail into the Eluvian.

TL;DR: Warden solves problems in his sleep, it would have never come up.

Modifié par PirateT138, 20 mars 2011 - 03:45 .

[Dean_the_Young]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

My Warden, Arcturus Cousland, would keep him alive so he can execute him publicly later and hope that will sate some of the bloodlust.

Why execute him when you can make him tranquil?

Not only poetic, but also rather undermines the martyrdom.

[goatman42]

 My Warden would have done the same as my Hawke did; tell Anders to get out of her sight and then side with the mages. God I can't believe I romanced him. He broke my Hawke's heart 

The whole Mage vs Templar situation is a complete mess. I'm very curious how it will play out in Dragon Age 3. Hopefully my Hawke will save the day.

[KnightofPhoenix]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

My Warden, Arcturus Cousland, would keep him alive so he can execute him publicly later and hope that will sate some of the bloodlust.

Why execute him when you can make him tranquil?

Not only poetic, but also rather undermines the martyrdom.

Not sure if the people of Kirkwall would accept anything less than blood.

But yea, good point. Not entirely sure if it's possible though, as Justice emerging "de-tranquilized" a mage for a bit. But if it's possible, that would be the smart decision.

[AlexXIV]

goatman42 wrote...

 My Warden would have done the same as my Hawke did; tell Anders to get out of her sight and then side with the mages. God I can't believe I romanced him. He broke my Hawke's heart 

The whole Mage vs Templar situation is a complete mess. I'm very curious how it will play out in Dragon Age 3. Hopefully my Hawke will save the day.

But you can't say he didn't warn ya.

Modifié par AlexXIV, 20 mars 2011 - 03:53 .

[thegreateski]

Warden: "I knew taking Ser Pounce-a-lot away from you was a bad idea . . ."

[Dean_the_Young]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Not sure if the people of Kirkwall would accept anything less than blood.

But yea, good point. Not entirely sure if it's possible though, as Justice emerging "de-tranquilized" a mage for a bit. But if it's possible, that would be the smart decision.

Maybe they will, maybe they won't, but Tranquility should be at least tried. It's simaltaneously an act of mercy AND a fate worse than death: an irrevocable punishment, but also a warning to the magi.

Infact, if the Right of Annulment was the total Tranquility of the Circle, I wonder how that might have played out. Tranquil all who surrender, and none will pose a threat afterwards, as well as letting you interrogate them.

And those who would fight back? Well, it proves they were evil.

[Zalitara]

AlexXIV wrote...

You know I am just saying this. Many people hate Anders for what he did, then kill him for revenge. That makes you just act like him. He also did it for revenge. Or maybe even a better reason.

I didn't kill him for revenge, he didn't hurt me personally so I had nothing to get revenge for. I killed him because volentary manslaugher of innocents doesn't go unpunished and putting him away in a cell and throwing away the key wasn't one of the options.

[Auroras]

My warden was a goody-two shoes Mary Sue, so she probably would have been appalled. I don't know if she would have killed him, though...

[KnightofPhoenix]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Not sure if the people of Kirkwall would accept anything less than blood.

But yea, good point. Not entirely sure if it's possible though, as Justice emerging "de-tranquilized" a mage for a bit. But if it's possible, that would be the smart decision.

Maybe they will, maybe they won't, but Tranquility should be at least tried. It's simaltaneously an act of mercy AND a fate worse than death: an irrevocable punishment, but also a warning to the magi.

Infact, if the Right of Annulment was the total Tranquility of the Circle, I wonder how that might have played out. Tranquil all who surrender, and none will pose a threat afterwards, as well as letting you interrogate them.

And those who would fight back? Well, it proves they were evil.

Indeed.
I especially like alleviating if not completely eliminating martydom from the equation.

An old tactic to remove popular generals and opponents was to humiliate them, torture them to madness and then throw them to the streets to live the rest of their lives as beggars. Tranquilization offers a less messy and less sadistic method to accomplish something similar.

I admit though, my Warden was fond of Anders. He'd be relunctant to do this to him. But he would nonetheless.

[TheBlackBaron]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Maybe they will, maybe they won't, but Tranquility should be at least tried. It's simaltaneously an act of mercy AND a fate worse than death: an irrevocable punishment, but also a warning to the magi.

Infact, if the Right of Annulment was the total Tranquility of the Circle, I wonder how that might have played out. Tranquil all who surrender, and none will pose a threat afterwards, as well as letting you interrogate them.

And those who would fight back? Well, it proves they were evil.

I think it would have played out more or less the same way, Dean. Most mages seems terrified at the thought of undergoing the right of tranquility. As a fate worse than death, that's just going to encourage them to fight to the death even harder than the current modus operandi (e.g. kill 'em all, let the Maker sort 'em out) would. 

Modifié par TheBlackBaron, 20 mars 2011 - 04:08 .

[Encarmine]

My warden would of killed him, for betraying the Circle, the Wardens and his companions.

Never spare a traitor, you'll regret it in the future.

Then my warden would of probly got into the fade and kicked Justice around also.

[forestmaiden86]

hehe, I have been playing with a scene that has been stuck in my head since I finished Dragon age 2.
My warden has been looking after Sir Pounce a lot (he was still in her inventory in Witch Hunt) finding out about him blowing up the chantry. Then she recieves a letter from Ander's to meet him cause his seeking permission to hide out in Ferelden (she is queen). She slaps him a few times raving on about how not only has he screw up big time by briinging all of Thedas to war but he has also disgraced the Grey Wardens (I know he left but I'm sure ppl would still see him as one) after she allowed him to escape after the scene of him killing templers when he and justice joined. Now his asking for protection which makes it possible for an exulted march against Ferelden plus war with Skarkhaven.... its not like the people of Ferelden havent been though enough.

Him asking if she will help after she stops raving

*Sigh* .... fine (she never did turn her back on her friends and I could imagine she feels responsible as she is the force that allowed Ander's to live and introduced him to Justice)