My warden queen was nice all around . even if she couldn't agree with his methods she would have made him disappear into the deep roads it wouldn't be in her to kill an old comrade.
My FHawke on the other end killed him to put him out of his misery he was clearly suffering so it was mercy killing on her part, of course Sebastian also factored in this. She sided with the mage but well taking side was kinda moot since she had to kill both side..... This was like a Magneto vs Xavier all over again.
The Warden and what Anders did.
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#52
Posté 20 mars 2011 - 04:31
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........Cry....She would cry for days......She would be argry, sad, put the blame on him, put the blame on herself......Tell she never wanted to see him again, and told him she wish she never met him.........
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Posté 20 mars 2011 - 04:34
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That's because the chantry said no..LobselVith8 wrote...
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I agree but the chantry will refuse to change heck they reject the mage boon without even giving it a thought. My warden would of said you started the fireworks without me? I would of helped blowing it up (My main is a Mage)
I always found that jarring when I originally played Awakening and imported the Hero of Ferelden. Considering that we run into templars and Wynne, you'd think the writers would have given us at least one line of dialogue to say that the Chantry turned it down. My Surana Warden asked for the Circle of Ferelden to be given its independence, and found it odd that nobody in the arling of Amaranthine or the Circle Tower (Witch Hunt) ever made reference to it. You'd imagine Anders would, given how many times he ran away from the Circle and how much he hated the templars.
In regards to the OP, my canon Warden was from the Surana background and probably wouldn't have killed Anders for what he did. Surana followed Duncan's line of thought - to do whatever it takes to achieve victory. He was fairly pragmatic, keeping Avernus alive at Warden's Keep, using blood magic, and keeping the Anvil intact, in the name of fighting the darkspawn and winning the battle against them because he knew how high the stakes were. My Hero of Ferelden knew Anders from Amaranthine, recruited him, and they were good friends. I don't think he would have killed him any more than my apostate Hawke did.
I imagine there would likely be a bigger difference if they discussed the last Harrowmont: my pro-Bhelen Warden would probably have done something drastically different than my apostate Hawke did in sparring the last surviving member of House Harrowmont.
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Posté 20 mars 2011 - 04:36
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My cannon Warden is a Cousland Queen. I don't think she would have let him even put Justice in his body in the first place. She and Justice didn't get along (she spent too much time doing the prank quests in Amaranthine xD) and I'd like to think she was rather fond of Anders (he reminded her a bit of her husband).
I'd think she's already irritated that he just took off without saying goodbye and stopped writing to her. I think she would be pissed off that he started a revolution without even asking for her help or at least giving her and her husband a warning.
Though as a responsible queen, she wouldn't ever condone what he did. She's not a fan of the Chantry but she's too used to mediating situations.
I'd think she's already irritated that he just took off without saying goodbye and stopped writing to her. I think she would be pissed off that he started a revolution without even asking for her help or at least giving her and her husband a warning.
Though as a responsible queen, she wouldn't ever condone what he did. She's not a fan of the Chantry but she's too used to mediating situations.
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Posté 20 mars 2011 - 04:39
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My Warden, Ophelia Cousland, would facepalm, then curse until she can't catch a breath. After that, she would find Anders, punch him in the face, curse some more, punch him, curse some more yet again, and finally she'd send him to Avernus, to try to find a way to seperate Anders and Justice.
Ophelia is not a fan of the Chantry, the Circle, the Templars, nor the Wardens, so she'll do as much as she can to help her boys, no matter how much those factions will cry foul if they ever got the wind of her harboring Anders. The only thing that will give her pause is if Leliana showed up on her doorstep with orders to bring Anders to justice.
Ophelia is not a fan of the Chantry, the Circle, the Templars, nor the Wardens, so she'll do as much as she can to help her boys, no matter how much those factions will cry foul if they ever got the wind of her harboring Anders. The only thing that will give her pause is if Leliana showed up on her doorstep with orders to bring Anders to justice.
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Posté 20 mars 2011 - 04:42
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dreman9999 wrote...
LobselVith8 wrote...
Bigdoser wrote...
I agree but the chantry will refuse to change heck they reject the mage boon without even giving it a thought. My warden would of said you started the fireworks without me? I would of helped blowing it up (My main is a Mage)
I always found that jarring when I originally played Awakening and imported the Hero of Ferelden. Considering that we run into templars and Wynne, you'd think the writers would have given us at least one line of dialogue to say that the Chantry turned it down. My Surana Warden asked for the Circle of Ferelden to be given its independence, and found it odd that nobody in the arling of Amaranthine or the Circle Tower (Witch Hunt) ever made reference to it. You'd imagine Anders would, given how many times he ran away from the Circle and how much he hated the templars.
In regards to the OP, my canon Warden was from the Surana background and probably wouldn't have killed Anders for what he did. Surana followed Duncan's line of thought - to do whatever it takes to achieve victory. He was fairly pragmatic, keeping Avernus alive at Warden's Keep, using blood magic, and keeping the Anvil intact, in the name of fighting the darkspawn and winning the battle against them because he knew how high the stakes were. My Hero of Ferelden knew Anders from Amaranthine, recruited him, and they were good friends. I don't think he would have killed him any more than my apostate Hawke did.
I imagine there would likely be a bigger difference if they discussed the last Harrowmont: my pro-Bhelen Warden would probably have done something drastically different than my apostate Hawke did in sparring the last surviving member of House Harrowmont.
That's because the chantry said no..
I'm well aware of that, but it doesn't change the fact that it's simply never addressed in the expansion or the DLC when it should have been. If I hadn't read David Gaider's comment on the issue in a messageboard, I wouldn't have known why templars were still chasing down Anders six months after I asked for the Circle of Ferelden to be given its freedom.
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Posté 20 mars 2011 - 04:54
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[quote]DrunkDeadman wrote...
My Warden, Ophelia Cousland, would facepalm, then curse until she can't catch a breath. After that, she would find Anders, punch him in the face, curse some more, punch him, curse some more yet again, and finally she'd send him to Avernus, to try to find a way to seperate Anders and Justice.
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This is a good plan, I cant believe I never even considered that possibility of the warden could get her buddies from the Mage circle in Fereldern and send a mage in the fade to try and reason with Justice or if his vengence destroy him because the Justice she knew would never accept such atrocities to occur.
My Warden, Ophelia Cousland, would facepalm, then curse until she can't catch a breath. After that, she would find Anders, punch him in the face, curse some more, punch him, curse some more yet again, and finally she'd send him to Avernus, to try to find a way to seperate Anders and Justice.
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This is a good plan, I cant believe I never even considered that possibility of the warden could get her buddies from the Mage circle in Fereldern and send a mage in the fade to try and reason with Justice or if his vengence destroy him because the Justice she knew would never accept such atrocities to occur.
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Posté 20 mars 2011 - 04:58
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forestmaiden86 wrote...
This is a good plan, I cant believe I never even considered that possibility of the warden could get her buddies from the Mage circle in Fereldern and send a mage in the fade to try and reason with Justice or if his vengence destroy him because the Justice she knew would never accept such atrocities to occur.
We can meet Anders in the Fade, and Justice seems as symbiotically connected to him in that realm as he does in the real world. It might not be possible to seperate the two without killing Anders.
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Posté 20 mars 2011 - 05:05
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Well my warden was an andrestian so he would initially be pretty pissed.. But he is a mage supporter. He would probably either hand anders to the authorities or tell him to go and never come back.
he certainly would denonce his status as a grey warden though and go to great lengths to ensure he was never welcome back in the order.. Since he broke their neutrality
he certainly would denonce his status as a grey warden though and go to great lengths to ensure he was never welcome back in the order.. Since he broke their neutrality
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Posté 20 mars 2011 - 05:19
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I think my Warden would have agreed that something had to be done. But killing those people is no excuse. I think he would have kept him around to redeem himself.
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Posté 20 mars 2011 - 05:27
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Truth be told, my Warden probably gave Anders the recipe for the bomb and suggested the location.
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Posté 20 mars 2011 - 05:54
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the warden would stand there with a blank stare.
then stab him with a triangle shaped knife without his face moving at all like a creepy robot.
Hahaha, this gave me a good chuckle.
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Posté 20 mars 2011 - 06:22
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My warden would have killed him, too. She probably wouldn't have used the murder knife, though. Not her style.
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Posté 20 mars 2011 - 06:35
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ShrinkingFish wrote...
Wars of this kind serve to get rid of the bad blood. When enough people have died peace will be found again. At least for a time. But peace is always temporary anyways. And the long term is trivial at best.
I'm genuinely terrified I have to live on the same planet as you.
One only has to look at Northern Ireland, Israel/Palestine or the Balklands to see how utterly untrue that statement is. No matter who wins, the bad blood remains. Generation after generation. If anything wars make the bad blood worse, not better.
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Posté 20 mars 2011 - 07:01
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I think Anders was right he did what he had to do so mages could have same rights as normal people within the game.
why not have just basic mage school in thedas? so the mages can still live with there families and still learn on how to control magic
I helped Anders all the way and I was not remotly peeved when he did what he did I just smiled and went on witht the plot
and the only reason why some mages go crazy and blood mage like is because the templars force them to be that way although you can say its the mages choice what would you do in a situation similar to the mages? me i rather die a blood mage than live as a slave
why not have just basic mage school in thedas? so the mages can still live with there families and still learn on how to control magic
I helped Anders all the way and I was not remotly peeved when he did what he did I just smiled and went on witht the plot
and the only reason why some mages go crazy and blood mage like is because the templars force them to be that way although you can say its the mages choice what would you do in a situation similar to the mages? me i rather die a blood mage than live as a slave
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Posté 20 mars 2011 - 07:08
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Yeah right, because no blood mage never went totally nuts or became posessed and went on a rampage at all? Oh wait. They do. Frequently. Can't at all imagine why those nasty mean old Templars think mages are dangerous.
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Posté 20 mars 2011 - 07:12
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What MY Warden would do [conversation and all]
(Explosion at the Chantry)
Warden: What the hell Anders?!
Anders: This is the only way we Mages well ever be free, in this world or the next.
Warden: O yes! This is a brilliant idea! Turn everyone against us and kill any hope for future for freedom if this goes ****** up for the Mages! I should have stopped the both of you form ever joining!
Anders: Wa-What are you saying? (fear in his eyes)
Warden: I'm saying Consritping was a mistake! And now I have to be held responsible for action all because I felt sorry for you ass.[Draws knife] And when your gone I'll clean up this soding mess of yours.
Anders: I see.
Warden kills Anders then sides with the Mages to protect them form Anders mistake.
(Explosion at the Chantry)
Warden: What the hell Anders?!
Anders: This is the only way we Mages well ever be free, in this world or the next.
Warden: O yes! This is a brilliant idea! Turn everyone against us and kill any hope for future for freedom if this goes ****** up for the Mages! I should have stopped the both of you form ever joining!
Anders: Wa-What are you saying? (fear in his eyes)
Warden: I'm saying Consritping was a mistake! And now I have to be held responsible for action all because I felt sorry for you ass.[Draws knife] And when your gone I'll clean up this soding mess of yours.
Anders: I see.
Warden kills Anders then sides with the Mages to protect them form Anders mistake.
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Posté 20 mars 2011 - 07:15
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Zing Freelancer wrote...
The guy went NUTS... NUTS!AlexXIV wrote...
You know I am just saying this. Many people hate Anders for what he did, then kill him for revenge. That makes you just act like him. He also did it for revenge. Or maybe even a better reason.
He destroyed a church! A CHURCH! Not a military base.
I killed him to release him from his suffering.
in DA the chantry basically serves as logistics and command center for the templars so i say its plenty justified
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Posté 20 mars 2011 - 07:41
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My Tabris Warden hasn't been on speaking terms with Anders since he took off while she was at Weisshaupt. She's furious that he didn't trust her enough to wait until she got back before doing a runner. If she finds out about Justice, she'll go absolutely ballistic, wondering how Anders could possibly have done something so stupid.
All that said, she wouldn't allow anyone else to kill him if at all possible, because he's still a Warden as far as she's concerned, and therefore, any punishment should be determined by the Wardens. At which point she'd probably take his head off. With Vigilance, which the Crows would have to pry from her cold dead fingers--none of this "they stole it" nonsense.
All that said, she wouldn't allow anyone else to kill him if at all possible, because he's still a Warden as far as she's concerned, and therefore, any punishment should be determined by the Wardens. At which point she'd probably take his head off. With Vigilance, which the Crows would have to pry from her cold dead fingers--none of this "they stole it" nonsense.
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Posté 20 mars 2011 - 07:50
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My warden is the most apathetic neutral guy in all of Thedas. He wanted to retire to his command in Gwaren is all...BUT Anders is a warden, no one harms them no matter what, he would have gotten off his ass to protect him and salvage the situation
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DKJaigen wrote...
Zing Freelancer wrote...
The guy went NUTS... NUTS!AlexXIV wrote...
You know I am just saying this. Many people hate Anders for what he did, then kill him for revenge. That makes you just act like him. He also did it for revenge. Or maybe even a better reason.
He destroyed a church! A CHURCH! Not a military base.
I killed him to release him from his suffering.
in DA the chantry basically serves as logistics and command center for the templars so i say its plenty justified
Their control seems to have been a lot less absolute then you think. At the end of the game the Templars are rebelling against the Chantry as well. The Grand Cleric was a force for mediation which is why Anders took her out of the picture, not to cripple the Templars in some way - quite the opposite to let them off the leash.
The scary thing is the Mage casualties that night were acceptable to Anders. He ultimately doesn't care about lives lost on either side of the conflict, its all acceptable losses to him.
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it dose not matter if a phew people die on either side as long as the gaol is reached then it be worth whileInvaderErl wrote...
DKJaigen wrote...
Zing Freelancer wrote...
The guy went NUTS... NUTS!AlexXIV wrote...
You know I am just saying this. Many people hate Anders for what he did, then kill him for revenge. That makes you just act like him. He also did it for revenge. Or maybe even a better reason.
He destroyed a church! A CHURCH! Not a military base.
I killed him to release him from his suffering.
in DA the chantry basically serves as logistics and command center for the templars so i say its plenty justified
Their control seems to have been a lot less absolute then you think. At the end of the game the Templars are rebelling against the Chantry as well. The Grand Cleric was a force for mediation which is why Anders took her out of the picture, not to cripple the Templars in some way - quite the opposite to let them off the leash.
The scary thing is the Mage casualties that night were acceptable to Anders. He ultimately doesn't care about lives lost on either side of the conflict, its all acceptable losses to him.
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Posté 20 mars 2011 - 10:58
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Quite easy to say when you're not one of the people being sacrificed.
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Posté 20 mars 2011 - 11:12
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What Anders did is terrorism. But born of desparation and rage about injustice.
how many mages died before? in whole thedas? and nobody changed their situation.
The Templars are a part of the Chantry and the Chantry has the responsibilty to control and stop them. The high cleric in Kirkwall is a wise and good woman - but she was neutral and didnt stop Meredith.
I was angry but I didnt kill Anders for his deed. I understand him. I had searched for a better way, but the mages need freedom and Thedas another way to live with magic.
how many mages died before? in whole thedas? and nobody changed their situation.
The Templars are a part of the Chantry and the Chantry has the responsibilty to control and stop them. The high cleric in Kirkwall is a wise and good woman - but she was neutral and didnt stop Meredith.
I was angry but I didnt kill Anders for his deed. I understand him. I had searched for a better way, but the mages need freedom and Thedas another way to live with magic.
