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[antique_nova]

Moderators please read all before taking appropriate action. I am unsure as to whether this belongs to this ection or forum, but i felt that it must be done.

Forum members, especially those who believe that i am a un trust worthy dealer, please read the below as it will explain a lot of things.

It has come to my attention for some time that i have been given an un-just reputation as a 'dodgy' and 'untrustworthy; lithograph dealer within these forums.

I would like to explain my actions to give others a wider understanding of my past attempted deals.

I made a string of deals from swapping lithographs to buying and selling on this forum to more than half a dozen forum members. Many of them intertwined each other like a spider's web.

All my deals were linked to the main dealer, superluminal, who offered me 20 lithographs for $1600. That's where all my deals originated from. He had been delaying the deal for weeks as someone else wanted to buy them, but they never did and superluminal became less responsive until he eventually dropped from the forum without warning or messaging me.

You may remember me making a thread about his disappearance a while back.

Soon the people that i were dealing with started getting suspicious that i had messaged other forum members concerning other deals, some intertwined and some were very suspicous to others. When superluminal left without informing me, all my deals fell through and so were had the messages between him and me. Thus leaving me without proof of my dealings and innocence.

I contacted a moderator to find out what happened and he said that there was nothing that they could do about retrieving my messages and i was puzzled at what i should do. I left the problem slide as i felt that there was nothing i could do. Unknown to me at the time................

Without proof and forum members having seen enough of my dealings without the full story, an unjust reputation was and is still pinned upon me, making certain lithograph deals all but impossible.

What dealer am i now?
I have changed the way that i do lithograph deals since then. I give people whatever prove that they require to put them at ease when doing deals - i provide links of where i acquired my lithographs from and photos. If they need further proof then they need only ask and i will provide asap.

I have also noticed that words can only do so much and actions are louder than words. Since i have placed the lithographs that i am willing to trade within the lithograph trading/selling thread in tihs forum. I will be taking off my ebay page soon in complience with ilikeicehockey's thread rules and selling any lithographs that i buy for the price that i acquired them for or less if i am willing to.

I am like any other lithograph dealer, trying to get the lithographs that i want.

and to end my rambling, i would like to apologise to those that i had attempted to make dealings with and had not told the truth of my dealings.

Thank you for reading and i hope that this can help me to repair my reputation and help me build one as an honest and respectable lithograph dealer.

Modifié par antique_nova, 20 mars 2011 - 05:46 .

[TheKingBoar]

I can perhaps shed a little light on things as well. I remember when Miranda/Legion came out and sold out instantly, Superluminal posted about how he would rather sell his entire collection than be missing out on those two, which he wanted but had missed. I had an extra Miranda/Legion and I messaged him when I saw that post offering to trade as he posted he had a Citadel/Omega available, two of my most sought after lithos, hoping that he would be willing to trade both Miranda/Legion for one or both of those. Unfortunately, he wasn't willing to trade for those, but was willing to trade his extra Tali/Grunt/Thane for my Miranda/Legion. That way, he could still have one of each. Knowing what Tali's are worth, this was an acceptable trade to me, so I agreed to it.

Along the trading process, he mentioned to me that he had closed his forum account as he felt that your messages were frankly becoming overly frequent to the point of being harassment. This action was entirely related to your messages, not an attempt to sully your forum reputation or leave you hanging. After watching the forum for the last couple months I can hardly say I blame him. I almost miss Durango_fett and his ebay trolling of the forums over the forms lately, where certain members lord over the forums (one of whom I'm almost certain will have replied about how this post is off topic and should be closed while I'm typing this) with an almost tyrannical adherence to rules that were never meant to be followed tyrannically. Even without your messages, I certainly understand his desire to either cancel his account or turn into a lurker for fear of having his head chopped off.

So to summarize, that sale that he offered you was in response to missing out on Miranda/Legion, something that became obsolete once he got said lithos from myself. He closed his account on the forum during our trade citing your messages, so if you had been a little more patient, you might have gotten the answers you were looking for. I knew nothing of your sale, seeking simply to trade lithos myself. Our trade was finished successfully outside of the forums to both of our satisfaction.

[Teh Blasta]

Antique man, nothing personal but when it comes to any kind of debate on your forum reputation almost any kind of negativity is self-inflicted. Threads like this legitimize that you tend to be inconsistent with what you post. I would never call you untrustworthy, I've never seen anything that would paint you as some kind of liar or cheat but you tend to have more waffles than a house of pancakes. At some point you're going to have to either agree that you are a litho seller and eBayer or anti-litho and anti-eBay, because you can't have it both ways. If you would stop with the posts that flip flop, which as I have said make you look like a hypocrite, I would have never even posted a reply to this thread. I'm not saying your a bad person in any way, it's just that you aren't consistent in what you say. My advice is that if you want to sell your lithos or trade, whatever, focus on doing that and stop posting things for and aginst litho trading. That or at least make a forum account with a diffrent name than your eBay account so people don't instantly know who they are buying from on the forums.

An example is this, you are trading/selling an Afterlife litho, I want to buy a Afterlife litho, however my pre-existing account of your posts prevents me from just contacting you and inquiring about the litho. Right there is the demand for your supply but your too busy muddying the waters to actually have the ability to sell the litho. Again, your problem in all this is self-inflicted.

TheKingBoar wrote...
where certain members lord over the forums (one of whom I'm almost certain will have replied about how this post is off topic and should be closed while I'm typing this) with an almost tyrannical adherence to rules that were never meant to be followed tyrannically.

Those type of people are a blight on the forums more so than anyone else. What I don't get is if you spend all day on these forums simply correcting threads and acting as a Junior Moderator why not just APPLY TO BE A MODERATOR? At lease be paid while being a know-it-all. What is even worse is that the actual Moderators seem to ignore the fact that these members are acting just as badly, if not worse, then the people they are correcting in the first place.

[Muzykmann]

Teh Blasta wrote...

TheKingBoar wrote...
where certain members lord over the forums (one of whom I'm almost certain will have replied about how this post is off topic and should be closed while I'm typing this) with an almost tyrannical adherence to rules that were never meant to be followed tyrannically.

Those type of people are a blight on the forums more so than anyone else. What I don't get is if you spend all day on these forums simply correcting threads and acting as a Junior Moderator why not just APPLY TO BE A MODERATOR? At lease be paid while being a know-it-all. What is even worse is that the actual Moderators seem to ignore the fact that these members are acting just as badly, if not worse, then the people they are correcting in the first place.

Jumping in real quick on this topic - I have basically become a lurker around here after only a week or two of trying to contribute, because I couldn't handle the unnamed unofficial forum lords. I still visit often looking for information, because I'm still a big bioware fan and am interested in the merch released. I just couldn't post much of anything without getting replies that made me so annoyed I wished I had never gotten involved in the discussion to begin with.

People like that kill otherwise useful forums for me, and I can't imagine that I'm the only one.

[confoosious2]

You're not the only one.

[Captain Crash]

Sometimes things done privately dont always work out. But its a shame this has flooded onto the public forums. Many people (like myself) wern't aware of any issues and your just drawing attention to yourself and making Litho trading and transactions appear like an unscrupulous endeavour. Which is adding to the issue you don't appear to want. Let sleeping dogs lie, whats done is done.


Additionally people have different personalities. They too are trying to help in their own way. You want to go offtopic on occasion and they want to keep things on topic. After all the forum description here is:


"BioWare Online Store support: This forum is for questions about or help with purchases from the BioWare Online Store."

Modifié par Captain Crash, 21 mars 2011 - 07:00 .

[Teh Blasta]

Captain Crash wrote...
They too are trying to help in their own way.

Wow, it all makes sense now. By making asinine off topic suggestions about the rules in an utterly egotistical manner they are really helping all of us. I never thought unproductive input could be so useful. Oh wait, it isn't. Besides the fact that every post I have ever seen correcting the horrible injustice brought upon these forums by the original poster has been also off topic, there is one simple fact of the entire matter of these members. 

It's not their responsibility to enforce the rules.

Unless you have your name at the bottom of the page under "Moderators", have a "Moderator" title by your avatar or lock a topic by saying "End of Line" you are only a member of these forums and have no more right to do anything than anyone else. It doesn't bother me for the most part, the endless sobbing over the games takes the cake but I still want to understand one thing:

If you want to moderate the forums, APPLY TO BECOME A MODERATOR.

[stardazzled]

Teh:

so only soldiers may act in defense? only police may give directions or pursue criminals? only medicines may help an accident's victim? wow.... this is so... point for you: you got me speechless. (because the first one is required, the second one is encouraged and the third one is enforced by law.)

plus: no one enforced the rules, they were reminders. if you regard reminders about the Site Rules as enforcement... then wow... speechless again. because this is so medieval. reminders that if considered (!) may prevent a mod's attention to even be neccessary. because to request a mod's attendance is not always possible. it's also not very polite to bother a mod with every little thing.

but hey, how about I carry one of your topics to off-topic rapidly... say: by the second post? then all people would start reading your thread because the initial topic interests them but abandon it pretty quickly because the initial topic isn't covered anymore.

still pissed because I reminded you on how Lazarus Station was destroyed? cute, maybe I should have quoted you and not Dsurian (which I did because I knew he would not regard it as an offense but as what it was: a reminder).

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antique:

this is my personal opinion and only mine: eBay sellers do a good job - especially when looking for something that has been out of print or out of reach for a long time. but they usually also are regular sellers like your comic store around the corner. some (if not a lot) have become greedy - as it's man's nature. I don't like how they charge outlandish prices right after the release of something and even mock people when doing so. not all are like this but some are.

your actions nonetheless - and your signature - made you look suspicious, especially after the events that happened around that time that you showed yourself. that is how people are - some may have a different opinion on you than others have. to some, you might have looked suspicious, to others not.

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and yes, this is my last post (at least on this forum here), because I'm sick of being the bad and stupid b*tch. especially when people like confoosious are getting aggressive and insulting ('Family Guy' is shown here as well). especially when you all obviously want the right to mindlessly turn every single thread into a personal conversation on nearly everything.

you agreed to the Site Rules when joining, you agree to the thread's rules when writing. rules are rules, framework for something so that it works. rules aren't jokes. (reminder: antique, I covered your initial topic after the first --- )

[antique_nova]

I never expected replied, especially this many, before i start talking. I felt that atleast half a dozen members had this opinion of me and that it wass spreading, so i felt that i had to act and i didn't know exactly who thought what.

However

TheKingBoar wrote...

So to summarize, that sale that he offered you was in response to missing out on Miranda/Legion, something that became obsolete once he got said lithos from myself. He closed his account on the forum during our trade citing your messages, so if you had been a little more patient, you might have gotten the answers you were looking for. I knew nothing of your sale, seeking simply to trade lithos myself. Our trade was finished successfully outside of the forums to both of our satisfaction.

I wait a month for his deal, well i little longer. I never sent more than two messages a week, mostly a week. Most of the time i never got a reply from him a week later, then one week after i messaged him or two weeks. His account suddenly went and i never knew what happened He even assured me that their were only two people including me after his lithos.

After reading your comment,l i feel betrayed and left out. His only reason for ever not letting me purcahse his lithos was that he was waiting on the other guy's reply.

But back on topic, i know that this reputation or otherwise was self inflicted and i agree with stardazzled on how and why this happened as i explain in my OP.

As for teh blasta's comment, i know that my to and fro stance of litho trading is mixed, who said you can never be both? I can be anti-ebay, but be a litho seller at the same time - nothing is ever as black as white as i believe you just painted it.

Captain Crash, i was aware of the attention that i would draw to myself, but i felt that it was necessary to reach the people who i didn't know who had these views of me. I also wasn't trying to make ' Litho trading and transactions appear like an unscrupulous endeavour', all i was doing was explaining how a situation caught me and leave me sliding downhill, i was pointing to a person and how there actions partially brought about the existance of this thread, i didn't mean to evoke the thought that i was degrading the value of lithograph trading and transactions in general.

I think it would be better now to post replies through a pm?

[antique_nova]

I didn't mean to sound like i was attacking anyone's comment, but i would like to point out that i disapprove on any posts, that provoke hostility, to any members. No matter how true or biased they may be - i have done it in the past and have regretted it and i always try my best to fix it.

Stardazzled, i understand your intentions, but sometimes you do take it a bit far as aren't our role within this forum meant to discuss - not moderate even in the slightest bar our own threads?

[Pacifien]

I honestly have no problem when other forumites seek to remind others that the site rules exist for a reason, as the ability of "official" moderators is quite limited that we depend on self-moderation of posters for the most part.

Other than that, here's a reminder that this forum is not actually for discussing issues you guys are having with lithographs sold or traded by anyone other than the BioWare Online Store. I am not an employee of BioWare or Treehouse, so don't take my statements as official decree, but I will point out Chris Priestly's introduction of the store forum. This forum is very much supposed to be about the store. And before you seek to point out this thread, let me remind you that selling/trading at-cost versus for-profit probably affects its existence.