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[MKDAWUSS]

AlexXIV wrote...

MKDAWUSS wrote...

AlexXIV wrote...

MKDAWUSS wrote...

Unichrone wrote...

You kids are easily disturbed. The principle is extremely morbid, no question, but the execution of it was absolutely ridiculous. Again, this game was filled with squandered opportunities.

Zombie mom break-dances during the fight. No joke, it's so stupid.

Exactly. I would have gone with another storyline entirely that would have achieved the same result. And maybe even hit a few more nerves in the process.

They couldn't possibly have hit more nerves. And not in a good way. I think a normal death would have done. It would actually have been a sad thing. Not it's just like the writers forgot to take their pills before they wrote it and that's almost breaking the game for me.

Instead of a Frankenstein project, I'd've gone with a rape and execute. Much more disturbing.

I find that less disturbing. Disturbing for sure, but what Bioware did is hard to beat in that account. I mean she was alive through the whole process and conscious ... even thinking about it makes me want to throw up.

Fantasy tends to sanitize. Not to mention that once you put logic into the whole thing, WTH was the point of using her in a zombie project if she essentially looked like his dead wife? Just use the living one as a subsitute in that case.

[AlexXIV]

MKDAWUSS wrote...

AlexXIV wrote...

MKDAWUSS wrote...

AlexXIV wrote...

MKDAWUSS wrote...

Unichrone wrote...

You kids are easily disturbed. The principle is extremely morbid, no question, but the execution of it was absolutely ridiculous. Again, this game was filled with squandered opportunities.

Zombie mom break-dances during the fight. No joke, it's so stupid.

Exactly. I would have gone with another storyline entirely that would have achieved the same result. And maybe even hit a few more nerves in the process.

They couldn't possibly have hit more nerves. And not in a good way. I think a normal death would have done. It would actually have been a sad thing. Not it's just like the writers forgot to take their pills before they wrote it and that's almost breaking the game for me.

Instead of a Frankenstein project, I'd've gone with a rape and execute. Much more disturbing.

I find that less disturbing. Disturbing for sure, but what Bioware did is hard to beat in that account. I mean she was alive through the whole process and conscious ... even thinking about it makes me want to throw up.

Fantasy tends to sanitize. Not to mention that once you put logic into the whole thing, WTH was the point of using her in a zombie project if she essentially looked like his dead wife? Just use the living one as a subsitute in that case.

I wrote the same thing in my thread about a DLC that would fix this quest for me. I didn't get an answer. Other than deal with it that is.

[ken007]

MKDAWUSS wrote...
Fantasy tends to sanitize. Not to mention that once you put logic into the whole thing, WTH was the point of using her in a zombie project if she essentially looked like his dead wife? Just use the living one as a subsitute in that case.

Well her face matched, not the rest of her apparently.

[GreasyDogMeat2]

It is an unwritten rule of RPG games that if your character has a living parent in the game they WILL die at some point in the story.

[Kriselia]

Huh, I just realized that Hawke's family sucked;
Leandra blamed her for Carver's death, Bethany blamed her for being tainted and Gamlen blamed her for Leandra's death.

Supportive much?

[Kriselia]

Filament wrote...

I would question why he bothered killing other people for body parts to to make his zombie wife when he could have just used his dead wife's body.

Maybe she was too decomposed by the time he actually perfected his zombification technique?

[Unichrone]

ken007 wrote...

Unichrone wrote...

I would also say the fact that she is still talking, coherent, rather than a merge of personalities or (more likely), detached and cold, distant to you.  I think that would have been more of a twisting of the knife.  

Yes I agree. A detached and cold mommy would have been so much better. But that still isn't enough for me to comphrehend how you feel that entire part was utterly ridiculous. 

I guess as I get older and see and read more things, it's more difficult to impress me.  When I was 14 I played Final Fantasy VI and bawwed like a baby when

Spoiler

Cid died

.
   -I suppose if I were a teenager seeing this it would evoke some pretty strong reactions.

[MKDAWUSS]

GreasyDogMeat2 wrote...

It is an unwritten rule of RPG games that if your character has a living parent in the game they WILL die at some point in the story.

Break a cliche!

[AlexXIV]

Kriselia wrote...

Filament wrote...

I would question why he bothered killing other people for body parts to to make his zombie wife when he could have just used his dead wife's body.

Maybe she was too decomposed by the time he actually perfected his zombification technique?

Well thing is MKDAWUSS said it. Leandra looked like his wife. How could he even know her feet or whatever else looked different or why would he care? He could have a live healthy woman with a face that just looked like his wife#s and he chose to build her into a zombie? This only makes sense in the heads of very few people and sadly they wrote this quest.

Modifié par AlexXIV, 20 mars 2011 - 03:15 .

[Akron1983]

Why would you save her even if you could? Its a deep emotional quest and one of the high points of the game. We wouldnt nearly talk as much about it if we had the option of saving her. Its a special part of the game.

[WeedyWeedy]

i was actually never that sad playing a game before! it was really horrifying

[AlexXIV]

Akron1983 wrote...

Why would you save her even if you could? Its a deep emotional quest and one of the high points of the game. We wouldnt nearly talk as much about it if we had the option of saving her. Its a special part of the game.

Because my Hawke's motivation was to build a future for her family. She didn't give a bloody damn about the templars and mages. What counted for her was her father, mother, brother and sister. See what that means for the end of the game? In the best case that she can save her brother or sister, the rest is lost. In such a case I guess my Hawke cared less for the mages or Anders or Cullen or whoever. She failed where it counts. Remember what the viscount said when he held his dead son in his hands? He failed where it counts. That's the point.

[Kriselia]

AlexXIV wrote...

Kriselia wrote...

Filament wrote...

I would question why he bothered killing other people for body parts to to make his zombie wife when he could have just used his dead wife's body.

Maybe she was too decomposed by the time he actually perfected his zombification technique?

Well thing is MKDAWUSS said it. Leandra looked like his wife. How could he even know her feet or whatever else looked different or why would he care? He could have a live healthy woman with a face that just looked like his wife#s and he chose to build her into a zombie? This only makes sense in the heads of very few people and sadly they wrote this quest.

Well, the face, hands and general bodyshape make sense but I do agree that searching for perfect feet is a bit absurd...
I think a level of trial-and-error was also involved, because the note about pickling the feet says that he managed to make it work but didn't care for the feel of the skin. So maybe he started with a whole body but had to keep improving.

[ken007]

Kriselia wrote...

Huh, I just realized that Hawke's family sucked;
Leandra blamed her for Carver's death, Bethany blamed her for being tainted and Gamlen blamed her for Leandra's death.

Supportive much?

Yeah so much love lol

My character's mother never hugged him
Bethany talked to him like he was an acquaintance
And Gamlen was just a sad old man, who insults his sister the first time he sees her for 25 years

This game definitely made me appreciate my family. xD

[AlexXIV]

Filament wrote...

AlexXIV wrote...

How could he even know her feet or whatever else looked different or why would he care?

Easily? And because he's a sociopath?

He could have a live healthy woman with a face that just looked like his wife#s and he chose to build her into a zombie?

Maybe people are easier to control when they're dead.

She was dating him. Or thinking that. And he was a bloodmage. And she kept her conscience. Do you think she would have ever loved him after what he did that to her?

Modifié par AlexXIV, 20 mars 2011 - 03:20 .

[ken007]

Unichrone wrote...

I guess as I get older and see and read more things, it's more difficult to impress me.  When I was 14 I played Final Fantasy VI and bawwed like a baby when

Spoiler

Cid died

.
   -I suppose if I were a teenager seeing this it would evoke some pretty strong reactions.

Well isn't there a difference between not being easily moved and feeling something is utterly ridiculous? Perhaps you exaggerated a bit and you don't think it's that bad?

[belwin]

while this quest was very depressing, i am glad they put it in.
DA2 is one of like three games i've played that can grip me emotionally, 
the others being certain points of ME2 and the terror that is Amnesia: The Dark Descent.


DA2 is really dark, on that i do agree.
but i think it shows that you cannot save everyone, which seems more realistic. i mean, poor hawke loses his entire family in the course of like 10 years. that would suck in real life.

it adds life and character to your protagonist, as opposed to say, Commander Shepard who's life essentially is given in a small blurb in ME1.

thats my two cents on it, anyway.

[Kriselia]

ken007 wrote...

Yeah so much love lol

My character's mother never hugged him
Bethany talked to him like he was an acquaintance
And Gamlen was just a sad old man, who insults his sister the first time he sees her for 25 years

This game definitely made me appreciate my family. xD

On that note, I certainly hope that [victim x] wasn't really Gascard's sister.
Because that would easily make Gascard the sickest character in the game. Letting some crazy guy hack up and pickle your sister because you want to learn to do the same...

Modifié par Kriselia, 20 mars 2011 - 04:13 .

[AlexXIV]

belwin wrote...

while this quest was very depressing, i am glad they put it in.
DA2 is one of like three games i've played that can grip me emotionally, 
the others being certain points of ME2 and the terror that is Amnesia: The Dark Descent.


DA2 is really dark, on that i do agree.
but i think it shows that you cannot save everyone, which seems more realistic. i mean, poor hawke loses his entire family in the course of like 10 years. that would suck in real life.

it adds life and character to your protagonist, as opposed to say, Commander Shepard who's life essentially is given in a small blurb in ME1.

thats my two cents on it, anyway.

Sorry but ME2 is just as emotional to me, just less depressing. And the emotional part comes for example from the suicide mission which is the climax. In DA2 it comes from a sort of side quest which kills your mother in the most horrible way I could imagine, or rather couldn't imagine before DA2. I mean ... come on.

Edit: Or take Tali's quest, or Jacks, almost any companion quest. Even DLCs, Overlord and Shadowbroker. All very emotional and without ever being cheap like that.

Modifié par AlexXIV, 20 mars 2011 - 03:34 .

[ken007]

[quote]Akron1983 wrote...

Why would you save her even if you could? Its a deep emotional quest and one of the high points of the game. We wouldnt nearly talk as much about it if we had the option of saving her. Its a special part of the game.[/quote]

Why would we save a character that is our mother... what a strange question. 

I would just like the option of being able to save her. These are examples I mentioned in an earlier post

[quote]If they did it so your character had to do something very specific to save her, like find a hard to find lead somewhere that could result in the apprehension of the serial killer or if they made it so you could warn her by mentioning the flowers and then she'd be suspecious about the flowers she recieved. Or heck make it random whether or not you save her. It shouldn't be set in stone I think, since in almost every other character driven quest you can do things differently and get another end result and especially in this case since it's so dark you should have a choice.[/qoute]

[Draco856]

I hate this quest, there NEEDS to be a way to save her...or at least stop her from being desecrated...kill her fine, but let there be some way to stop her from being chopped up...