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[Lithuasil]

His actions do make sense, as does forcing players into both bossfights (or at least having Orsino go Rawr) regardless of their choices.
What makes the whole thing appear this ham handed, is the massive disconnection between what's happening on screen (during gameplay), and what's supposedly actually happening.

[Count Viceroy]

Lithuasil wrote...

His actions do make sense, as does forcing players into both bossfights (or at least having Orsino go Rawr) regardless of their choices.
What makes the whole thing appear this ham handed, is the massive disconnection between what's happening on screen (during gameplay), and what's supposedly actually happening.

Agreed, he should have done it as the first massive wave of templars storm in. He turns into the demon, eats the templars then turns on you.

Modifié par Count Viceroy, 20 mars 2011 - 11:19 .

[Lithuasil]

Count Viceroy wrote...

Lithuasil wrote...

His actions do make sense, as does forcing players into both bossfights (or at least having Orsino go Rawr) regardless of their choices.
What makes the whole thing appear this ham handed, is the massive disconnection between what's happening on screen (during gameplay), and what's supposedly actually happening.

Agreed, he should have done it as the first massive wave of templars storm in. He turns into the demon, eats the templars then turns on you.

For all intends and purposes, it'd also have worked if he used himself as some kind of battering ram, storming out to make way for the few remaining mages, only to get cut down by templars or something (or alternatively, give you the option to try and stop him during the ritual, when he's already halfway transitioned, and only if you decide to, he turns on you.

[Arppis]

ngd1029 wrote...

When I played this part and Orsino transformed into a monster I thought, "Gee, Thanks for nothing.  You transforming does nothing as there are no enemies here so your transformation is useless aside from giving me more work to do." It also seemed strange he'd transform in a "safe" area. If he was surrounded by enemies and transformed I'd understand as he'd want to take down as many enemies as possible (e.g. suicide bomber), but to do it when his life wasn't in immediate danger... Shows extremely poor planning, after all he knew even before casting that it was "too dangerous" so he must have known that it was possible that he'd become some demonic monster that would endanger everything, not just his enemies..

Yeah, I think he just thought: "Screw everything, I'm going home!". It was rather poorly justified why he did it. I would have understood if he would have done it when Meredith herself was attacking us. THAT would have made more sense. Then I would have just watched as the 2 monsters fight eachothers and then killed the one who was victorious and left as hero.

[cast_]

Orsino on mage side was the dumbest thing I've ever seen in a game ever. I kicked the **** out of the templar in my sleep and he freaks out and attacks me because there's no hope? Really?

Great story, compelling and rich.

[Lithuasil]

cast_ wrote...

Orsino on mage side was the dumbest thing I've ever seen in a game ever. I kicked the **** out of the templar in my sleep and he freaks out and attacks me because there's no hope? Really?

Great story, compelling and rich.

Again - there's a difference between what you see during gameplay, and what's actually going on. Or do you really think your Hawke survived being impaled by the arishoks blade? Thrice?

[cast_]

Lithuasil wrote...

cast_ wrote...

Orsino on mage side was the dumbest thing I've ever seen in a game ever. I kicked the **** out of the templar in my sleep and he freaks out and attacks me because there's no hope? Really?

Great story, compelling and rich.

Again - there's a difference between what you see during gameplay, and what's actually going on. Or do you really think your Hawke survived being impaled by the arishoks blade? Thrice?

It was obviously just an excuss to do both boss fights. It sucked dude. They could have done it in a much more logical way.

[Phex]

Jman5 wrote...

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Jackel159357 wrote...

What I learnt from DA2 was that the People of Ferelden are far superior to that of the free marchers. Irving was tortured for days or weeks possibly and did not succumb to Uldred, While Orsinio breaks much more easily under pressure. Not to mention the captain of the Guard ending up being from ferelden as did the Champion.

don't forget Cullen I was very suprised at how much he had changed

There is lyrium in the water; The Talkative man in the Hanged Man is smarter than you think.

I actually thought he changed for the better at the end of the game. He seemed like he was beyond hope after the events at the Circle, but he showed he can be reasonable even if you side with the mages in the final battle.

[MKDAWUSS]

All of Act III was wrapped around a few plot requirements that felt rather forced when the story had to accommodate them.

[Legbiter]

Orsino just finally broke and decided to take out as many templars as he could by allowing himself to be possessed. Suicide by templar.

[sammcl]

This kinda bothered me I really respected Orsino up to this point. I think Lithuasil is right though, what was actually shown and what is meant to have happened is different. The dialogue indicated you were in a hopeless situation, while the game makes you feel like you're winning. And of course you're winning, you're the hero, and you're geared to the teeth, story wise though, I think we're meant to assume that had Orsino not sacrificed himself so horribly, everyone would have died.

I would have preferred that he not resort to blood magic however, that was probably the worst thing he could have done, the first enchanter using blood magic does not help in convincing the world that not all mages turn to blood magic. The templars seemed to be portrayed a little differently this time, even in combat they were indistinguishable from regular people, they weren't interrupting spellcasts or nullifying mana and whatnot, kinda disappointing there. That didn't help to sell the hopelessness of the mages' situation at the end, sure there were a lot of them, but when they never display any "anti-magic" powers, it really seems like a small group of mages and Hawke's group could deal with them.

Modifié par sammcl, 20 mars 2011 - 02:15 .

[Mykel54]

I would have prefered it much more if by siding with the mages, Orsino started doing a blood magic ritual, then hawke could call him on it or support him. In the end the demon/harvester that orsino summoned would kill him and turn on the mages. This would make Orsino still responsible for his acts (he uses blood magic in desperation) but keep his character consistent and do no make him some crazy suicide mage all of a sudden. I really think that last part was rushed because it is incredibly bad thought.

Modifié par Mykel54, 20 mars 2011 - 02:27 .

[Halo Quea]

Inarborat wrote...

The only thing more ridiculous was Anders blowing up the Chantry. I got a hearty laugh from that but when Orsino turned, I just shook my head. You wimp out now, right this instant when you have the most powerful person in the city backing you up? The same person who has slaughtered countless Qunari, the Arishok, a High Dragon, and scores of Templars and now you panic? Just awful writing and pretty much sums up my thoughts on DAII's narrative.

I tend to think Orsino's use of blood magic wouldn't have been so bad, but we were already DROWNING in blood mages and Abominations.   It was just too much and did nothing but  back up all of the Templar's prejudices.