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[Brenus]

sleepyowlet wrote...

TileToad wrote...

sleepyowlet wrote...

Wait, what??? Now that just doesn't make sense. You know, before computers were used for playing RPGs, there were these things called Pen and Paper... they are the root. You make a character. You play that character, you say what they say. Like freestyle acting, while a gamemaster gives you a story, surroundings and other characters (so called NPCs) to interact with. I have spent hours playing (and mastering) Vampire the Masquerade without anyone fighting anyone - and it was fun, because usually the company had to remain undetected, so nobody would know why something had happened...

That is role.playing. Character developement. Story. Making choices. Combat is just the icing on the cake. In moderation delicious, add to much and the cake becomes inedible.

Again, you're confusing the issue. I'm talking about the RPG as a game genre, not about Roleplaying specifically.
What I tried to explain is that RP'ing can be done with nearly every game out there. The RPG genre, however, is a concept that includes combat as an essential element to gain experience. And through that experience you build up your RP character. What use would gaining experience be if there was no way to utilize it? If you take out combat you reduce the genre to an (ennobled) adventure game.

Utilize it in stealth and diplomacy skills? Vampire the Masquerade: Bloodlines is undeniably a RPG - and you can sneak and talk people into things with skills like dominate (or madness, if you were Malkavian). You got your XP anyway. For solving the quests. If I remember correctly you got quest-XP in DA too. I'm not saying eliminate all combat. I'm saying make it possible to use alternate routes sometimes. Of course I would never sit down and have tea with the Archdemon. But sometimes ... I just get tired of wading through rivers of blood.
And is it such a strange concept that I want to have the ability to roleplay my character in a role-playing-game?

None of what you describe there = a skip combat button. Stealth and Diplomacy are different gameplay mechanics which still require you to play the game rather than press a skip button.

[AkiKishi]

Brenus wrote...

So basically, DA2 is full of mind numbingly boring combat that you literally want to skip it, and most of the game is this way, yet there are people who have easily completed the game in under 30 hours ....

So essentially, you paid $60 for n RPG with 5-10 hours of storyline, and 20-25 hours of combat, and you hated the combat so much that in the future, you would rather pay $60 for nothing but a 10 hour story rendered in a crappy 3D game engine?

Lol do people who are asking for that fail so hard.

While some people might go to that extreme most wont. They will skip the odd battle here and there.
In FF X for example the final level, the monsters take more time to kill than the boss does, so I equip the no encounters device and walk right through. Not because I can't kill, but because at that point in the game it's just not worth my time and it's only going to make the boss fight easier anyway.

I'd skip any of the act III nighttime maps because they are just tedious, same mobs over and over, zero chance of actually causing you any problems, but you still have to hack your way across the maps.

[moilami]

Brenus wrote...

So basically, DA2 is full of mind numbingly boring combat that you literally want to skip it, and most of the game is this way, yet there are people who have easily completed the game in under 30 hours ....

So essentially, you paid $60 for n RPG with 5-10 hours of storyline, and 20-25 hours of combat, and you hated the combat so much that in the future, you would rather pay $60 for nothing but a 10 hour story rendered in a crappy 3D game engine?

Lol do people who are asking for that fail so hard.

I paid of DA2 sig edition about 30€, and it has given me more fun in forums than any other game excluding DA. However, I have no intentions to buy another DA game or DLC if they give more fun in forums than in game.

You can buy dumbed down arcade adventure games with bad combat. Have fun smashing buttons!

[Brenus]

Again, the no encounters skill in FF =/= skip combat button. You actually need to spend some time developing the skill, just like you have to develop stealth skills in stealth RPGs and games.

[moilami]

supremebloodwolf wrote...

moilami wrote...

supremebloodwolf wrote...

sleepyowlet wrote...

supremebloodwolf wrote...

... so, there are people that would pay $60 for a rpg game without combat interactive cg movie with video game level visuals?

No, there are people who want a button to switch off the trash mobs and boring slash-fests.

And I personally will do with such games what I did with DA2 - I rent them for a couple of euro for the story. Until the options to sneak and talk are back. As soon as I'm not railroaded into mindless killing anymore, I'll buy games again.

hmm.. sneaking around enemies can be fun if done the right way. plus it would be cool to have multiple ways to play the same game if they are not bad. so ok im for it as long as skipping gameplay altogether is not the topic because that just sounds like an RPM (role-playing movie)

It would be cool if you would stop saying how people should be able to play games based on what you think is "cool" or "fun".

If you don't want to skip combat, then you don't skip it. Nobody is forcing you to skip combat.

Why you are trying to force people do combat?

who said i'm forcing people to do combat?  I'm not trying to convince anyone of anything i'm just saying what i think and what i think is that skiping all gameplay in a video game is silly.

I say imagining you are badass as you bash buttons of xpoks controller is silly. There should be no reason to force people to do that. 

[Brenus]

moilami wrote...

Brenus wrote...

So basically, DA2 is full of mind numbingly boring combat that you literally want to skip it, and most of the game is this way, yet there are people who have easily completed the game in under 30 hours ....

So essentially, you paid $60 for n RPG with 5-10 hours of storyline, and 20-25 hours of combat, and you hated the combat so much that in the future, you would rather pay $60 for nothing but a 10 hour story rendered in a crappy 3D game engine?

Lol do people who are asking for that fail so hard.

I paid of DA2 sig edition about 30€, and it has given me more fun in forums than any other game excluding DA. However, I have no intentions to buy another DA game or DLC if they give more fun in forums than in game.

You can buy dumbed down arcade adventure games with bad combat. Have fun smashing buttons!

Or I can not buy them, like I didnt buy DA2? You know that you dont have to buy rubbish games either, and waste your time asking for them to become even more dumbed down?

Rather ironic that you find DA2 to be a dumbed down arcade adventure game, yet you went and bought it and are now asking for the next one to be even more dumber.

The jokes on you, I actually have enough willpower not to buy a rubbish game in the first place, unlike you who bought a rubbish game, and want the next one to be even dumber. 

[moilami]

Brenus wrote...

moilami wrote...

Brenus wrote...

So basically, DA2 is full of mind numbingly boring combat that you literally want to skip it, and most of the game is this way, yet there are people who have easily completed the game in under 30 hours ....

So essentially, you paid $60 for n RPG with 5-10 hours of storyline, and 20-25 hours of combat, and you hated the combat so much that in the future, you would rather pay $60 for nothing but a 10 hour story rendered in a crappy 3D game engine?

Lol do people who are asking for that fail so hard.

I paid of DA2 sig edition about 30€, and it has given me more fun in forums than any other game excluding DA. However, I have no intentions to buy another DA game or DLC if they give more fun in forums than in game.

You can buy dumbed down arcade adventure games with bad combat. Have fun smashing buttons!

Or I can not buy them, like I didnt buy DA2? You know that you dont have to buy rubbish games either, and waste your time asking for them to become even more dumbed down?

Rather ironic that you find DA2 to be a dumbed down arcade adventure game, yet you went and bought it and are now asking for the next one to be even more dumber.

The jokes on you, I actually have enough willpower not to buy a rubbish game in the first place, unlike you who bought a rubbish game, and want the next one to be even dumber. 

Well I admit you pwnt me then.

[Brenus]

moilami wrote...

supremebloodwolf wrote...

moilami wrote...

supremebloodwolf wrote...

sleepyowlet wrote...

supremebloodwolf wrote...

... so, there are people that would pay $60 for a rpg game without combat interactive cg movie with video game level visuals?

No, there are people who want a button to switch off the trash mobs and boring slash-fests.

And I personally will do with such games what I did with DA2 - I rent them for a couple of euro for the story. Until the options to sneak and talk are back. As soon as I'm not railroaded into mindless killing anymore, I'll buy games again.

hmm.. sneaking around enemies can be fun if done the right way. plus it would be cool to have multiple ways to play the same game if they are not bad. so ok im for it as long as skipping gameplay altogether is not the topic because that just sounds like an RPM (role-playing movie)

It would be cool if you would stop saying how people should be able to play games based on what you think is "cool" or "fun".

If you don't want to skip combat, then you don't skip it. Nobody is forcing you to skip combat.

Why you are trying to force people do combat?

who said i'm forcing people to do combat?  I'm not trying to convince anyone of anything i'm just saying what i think and what i think is that skiping all gameplay in a video game is silly.

I say imagining you are badass as you bash buttons of xpoks controller is silly. There should be no reason to force people to do that. 

And who exacty forced you to buy the game? Its because people like you keep on buying and supporting dumbed down button mashing crap that game developers keep on making it.

Modifié par Brenus, 20 mars 2011 - 06:47 .

[sleepyowlet]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

sleepyowlet wrote...

Aesieru wrote...

I don't agree... first off combat is generally the means that a person realistically gains experience in... well fighting.

Second, I am all for other means to get out of combat AT CERTAIN TIMES, but boss fights, and what not make up RPG's and are essential.

Do not remove them, you will feel less connection to the game as you are not actually DOING anything in the game outside of saying things, and words without actions, are useless.

Hey, nothing against boss-fights. But the endless trash mobs of DA2? A little choice sometimes would have been nice. Like letting Loghain live in DA:O...

considering more than half of DA2 enemies were Slavers, Raiders, Criminals, demons, undead, dragons, and more..... sure let's just let them live.

Uh ... yes? Hawke's not the bloody guard? I really don't like that Hawke is seemingly above the law. Slavery is legal in Kirkwall, yet Hawke never gets arrested for killing slavers. Weird.

[TEWR]

moilami wrote...

Brenus wrote...

So basically, DA2 is full of mind numbingly boring combat that you literally want to skip it, and most of the game is this way, yet there are people who have easily completed the game in under 30 hours ....

So essentially, you paid $60 for n RPG with 5-10 hours of storyline, and 20-25 hours of combat, and you hated the combat so much that in the future, you would rather pay $60 for nothing but a 10 hour story rendered in a crappy 3D game engine?

Lol do people who are asking for that fail so hard.

I paid of DA2 sig edition about 30€, and it has given me more fun in forums than any other game excluding DA. However, I have no intentions to buy another DA game or DLC if they give more fun in forums than in game.

You can buy dumbed down arcade adventure games with bad combat. Have fun smashing buttons!

Origins was jus as much a button masher as DA2. I mashed buttons hoping everyone would just ****ing attack faster. I never even used tactics in Origins, not even on the High Dragon. the only tactic I ever did was "You use a potion. Good. keep attacking."


in fact I don't find many games all that "tactical"

[TEWR]

sleepyowlet wrote...

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

sleepyowlet wrote...

Aesieru wrote...

I don't agree... first off combat is generally the means that a person realistically gains experience in... well fighting.

Second, I am all for other means to get out of combat AT CERTAIN TIMES, but boss fights, and what not make up RPG's and are essential.

Do not remove them, you will feel less connection to the game as you are not actually DOING anything in the game outside of saying things, and words without actions, are useless.

Hey, nothing against boss-fights. But the endless trash mobs of DA2? A little choice sometimes would have been nice. Like letting Loghain live in DA:O...

considering more than half of DA2 enemies were Slavers, Raiders, Criminals, demons, undead, dragons, and more..... sure let's just let them live.

Uh ... yes? Hawke's not the bloody guard? I really don't like that Hawke is seemingly above the law. Slavery is legal in Kirkwall, yet Hawke never gets arrested for killing slavers. Weird.

no but Aveline is. She's a companion. She's cleaning up the streets. If the captain of the guard is cleaning up the streets and has no problem with Hawke helping out, I really don't see your point.

[moilami]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

moilami wrote...

Brenus wrote...

So basically, DA2 is full of mind numbingly boring combat that you literally want to skip it, and most of the game is this way, yet there are people who have easily completed the game in under 30 hours ....

So essentially, you paid $60 for n RPG with 5-10 hours of storyline, and 20-25 hours of combat, and you hated the combat so much that in the future, you would rather pay $60 for nothing but a 10 hour story rendered in a crappy 3D game engine?

Lol do people who are asking for that fail so hard.

I paid of DA2 sig edition about 30€, and it has given me more fun in forums than any other game excluding DA. However, I have no intentions to buy another DA game or DLC if they give more fun in forums than in game.

You can buy dumbed down arcade adventure games with bad combat. Have fun smashing buttons!

Origins was jus as much a button masher as DA2. I mashed buttons hoping everyone would just ****ing attack faster. I never even used tactics in Origins, not even on the High Dragon. the only tactic I ever did was "You use a potion. Good. keep attacking."


in fact I don't find many games all that "tactical"

I think you just fear the change. 

[The Spirit of Dance]

moilami wrote...

supremebloodwolf wrote...

moilami wrote...

supremebloodwolf wrote...

sleepyowlet wrote...

supremebloodwolf wrote...

... so, there are people that would pay $60 for a rpg game without combat interactive cg movie with video game level visuals?

No, there are people who want a button to switch off the trash mobs and boring slash-fests.

And I personally will do with such games what I did with DA2 - I rent them for a couple of euro for the story. Until the options to sneak and talk are back. As soon as I'm not railroaded into mindless killing anymore, I'll buy games again.

hmm.. sneaking around enemies can be fun if done the right way. plus it would be cool to have multiple ways to play the same game if they are not bad. so ok im for it as long as skipping gameplay altogether is not the topic because that just sounds like an RPM (role-playing movie)

It would be cool if you would stop saying how people should be able to play games based on what you think is "cool" or "fun".

If you don't want to skip combat, then you don't skip it. Nobody is forcing you to skip combat.

Why you are trying to force people do combat?

who said i'm forcing people to do combat?  I'm not trying to convince anyone of anything i'm just saying what i think and what i think is that skiping all gameplay in a video game is silly.

I say imagining you are badass as you bash buttons of xpoks controller is silly. There should be no reason to force people to do that. 

well whatever... its your opinion. i think moving a character around and have him/her do stuff by pressing certain buttons is cool you don't. THE END.

[Dareat]

Taking out combat is dumb. It's an RPG, not a 'choose your own story'. If you want one of those, pick up a copy of Give Yourself Goosebumps from your local library.

[TEWR]

moilami wrote...

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

moilami wrote...

Brenus wrote...

So basically, DA2 is full of mind numbingly boring combat that you literally want to skip it, and most of the game is this way, yet there are people who have easily completed the game in under 30 hours ....

So essentially, you paid $60 for n RPG with 5-10 hours of storyline, and 20-25 hours of combat, and you hated the combat so much that in the future, you would rather pay $60 for nothing but a 10 hour story rendered in a crappy 3D game engine?

Lol do people who are asking for that fail so hard.

I paid of DA2 sig edition about 30€, and it has given me more fun in forums than any other game excluding DA. However, I have no intentions to buy another DA game or DLC if they give more fun in forums than in game.

You can buy dumbed down arcade adventure games with bad combat. Have fun smashing buttons!

Origins was jus as much a button masher as DA2. I mashed buttons hoping everyone would just ****ing attack faster. I never even used tactics in Origins, not even on the High Dragon. the only tactic I ever did was "You use a potion. Good. keep attacking."


in fact I don't find many games all that "tactical"

I think you just fear the change. 

what change? The "skip all combat because I'm incredibly lazy to actually play" change? or some other change? What you think about me and video games is irrelevant. What I think about me and video games is relevant

[sleepyowlet]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

no but Aveline is. She's a companion. She's cleaning up the streets. If the captain of the guard is cleaning up the streets and has no problem with Hawke helping out, I really don't see your point.

That is not my point. My point is that I'm forced to do that. And I don't like being forced. Besides, those guys must be part lemming. How long would it realistically take to spread across town that this is Hawke. Don't mess with the Hawke, you'll only get dead...

[TEWR]

sleepyowlet wrote...

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

no but Aveline is. She's a companion. She's cleaning up the streets. If the captain of the guard is cleaning up the streets and has no problem with Hawke helping out, I really don't see your point.

That is not my point. My point is that I'm forced to do that. And I don't like being forced. Besides, those guys must be part lemming. How long would it realistically take to spread across town that this is Hawke. Don't mess with the Hawke, you'll only get dead...

the same could be said of the Warden. A good number of people (not all, but a lot) knew who the Warden was, made even more evident by the sketch of him Sergeant Kylon says there is in Denerim, yet they continue to mess with him.

and you want to let criminals live, because you don't want to fight them, even if one of your companions who is the captain of the guard personally has no qualms with you cleaning up the streets and helping keep her guards safe. I really am left speechless now.... seriously I don't know how to respond to that..... (and no I'm not conceding)

[moilami]

supremebloodwolf wrote...

moilami wrote...

supremebloodwolf wrote...

moilami wrote...

supremebloodwolf wrote...

sleepyowlet wrote...

supremebloodwolf wrote...

... so, there are people that would pay $60 for a rpg game without combat interactive cg movie with video game level visuals?

No, there are people who want a button to switch off the trash mobs and boring slash-fests.

And I personally will do with such games what I did with DA2 - I rent them for a couple of euro for the story. Until the options to sneak and talk are back. As soon as I'm not railroaded into mindless killing anymore, I'll buy games again.

hmm.. sneaking around enemies can be fun if done the right way. plus it would be cool to have multiple ways to play the same game if they are not bad. so ok im for it as long as skipping gameplay altogether is not the topic because that just sounds like an RPM (role-playing movie)

It would be cool if you would stop saying how people should be able to play games based on what you think is "cool" or "fun".

If you don't want to skip combat, then you don't skip it. Nobody is forcing you to skip combat.

Why you are trying to force people do combat?

who said i'm forcing people to do combat?  I'm not trying to convince anyone of anything i'm just saying what i think and what i think is that skiping all gameplay in a video game is silly.

I say imagining you are badass as you bash buttons of xpoks controller is silly. There should be no reason to force people to do that. 

well whatever... its your opinion. i think moving a character around and have him/her do stuff by pressing certain buttons is cool you don't. THE END.

I know you think it is very cool if you press a button, any button, and something awesome happens. BW knew it too, and made you happy. Sandal-Badass happy.

[88mphSlayer]

you could throw in the equivalent of mario invincibility power stars that drop from bosses or dragons as "trophies" or whatever

wearing a trophy instantly reduces the number of encounters, so say in X fantasy game you're in an area populated by pirate red shirts, you kill a top pirate... now realistically, if you're wearing that pirate's head as a trophy on your belt would some red shirts just wanting a few coppers want to attack you? nope, but you might get a few more far harder fanatical pirates or assassins in the place of 50 intimidated red shirts

throw in some "magical" property like breaking the trophy instantly kills all enemies + stops reinforcements in the area if you use it (one time use for each trophy)...

Modifié par 88mphSlayer, 20 mars 2011 - 07:09 .

[Brenus]

moilami wrote...

supremebloodwolf wrote...

moilami wrote...

supremebloodwolf wrote...

moilami wrote...

supremebloodwolf wrote...

sleepyowlet wrote...

supremebloodwolf wrote...

... so, there are people that would pay $60 for a rpg game without combat interactive cg movie with video game level visuals?

No, there are people who want a button to switch off the trash mobs and boring slash-fests.

And I personally will do with such games what I did with DA2 - I rent them for a couple of euro for the story. Until the options to sneak and talk are back. As soon as I'm not railroaded into mindless killing anymore, I'll buy games again.

hmm.. sneaking around enemies can be fun if done the right way. plus it would be cool to have multiple ways to play the same game if they are not bad. so ok im for it as long as skipping gameplay altogether is not the topic because that just sounds like an RPM (role-playing movie)

It would be cool if you would stop saying how people should be able to play games based on what you think is "cool" or "fun".

If you don't want to skip combat, then you don't skip it. Nobody is forcing you to skip combat.

Why you are trying to force people do combat?

who said i'm forcing people to do combat?  I'm not trying to convince anyone of anything i'm just saying what i think and what i think is that skiping all gameplay in a video game is silly.

I say imagining you are badass as you bash buttons of xpoks controller is silly. There should be no reason to force people to do that. 

well whatever... its your opinion. i think moving a character around and have him/her do stuff by pressing certain buttons is cool you don't. THE END.

I know you think it is very cool if you press a button, any button, and something awesome happens. BW knew it too, and made you happy. Sandal-Badass happy.

Judging from how much you actualy dislike DA2, I'm pretty certain that this is a troll thread. 

[AkiKishi]

Brenus wrote...

Again, the no encounters skill in FF =/= skip combat button. You actually need to spend some time developing the skill, just like you have to develop stealth skills in stealth RPGs and games.

Or just buy the item from a vendor. It depends on the game.

[The Spirit of Dance]

moilami wrote...

supremebloodwolf wrote...

moilami wrote...

supremebloodwolf wrote...

moilami wrote...

supremebloodwolf wrote...

sleepyowlet wrote...

supremebloodwolf wrote...

... so, there are people that would pay $60 for a rpg game without combat interactive cg movie with video game level visuals?

No, there are people who want a button to switch off the trash mobs and boring slash-fests.

And I personally will do with such games what I did with DA2 - I rent them for a couple of euro for the story. Until the options to sneak and talk are back. As soon as I'm not railroaded into mindless killing anymore, I'll buy games again.

hmm.. sneaking around enemies can be fun if done the right way. plus it would be cool to have multiple ways to play the same game if they are not bad. so ok im for it as long as skipping gameplay altogether is not the topic because that just sounds like an RPM (role-playing movie)

It would be cool if you would stop saying how people should be able to play games based on what you think is "cool" or "fun".

If you don't want to skip combat, then you don't skip it. Nobody is forcing you to skip combat.

Why you are trying to force people do combat?

who said i'm forcing people to do combat?  I'm not trying to convince anyone of anything i'm just saying what i think and what i think is that skiping all gameplay in a video game is silly.

I say imagining you are badass as you bash buttons of xpoks controller is silly. There should be no reason to force people to do that. 

well whatever... its your opinion. i think moving a character around and have him/her do stuff by pressing certain buttons is cool you don't. THE END.

I know you think it is very cool if you press a button, any button, and something awesome happens. BW knew it too, and made you happy. Sandal-Badass happy.

actually that part of the game didn't make me happy. the only change about the combat i liked was it being more responsive.

[Brenus]

BobSmith101 wrote...

Brenus wrote...

Again, the no encounters skill in FF =/= skip combat button. You actually need to spend some time developing the skill, just like you have to develop stealth skills in stealth RPGs and games.

Or just buy the item from a vendor. It depends on the game.

I only played FF8, and yes the no encounters skill was a godsend when running from one point to the next on the world map without wanting to fight trash, but thats because of the number of random encounters that would occur in that game.

It still dodnt allow you skip the main combat and boss fights, only the crappy random monsters on the world map. 

[moilami]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

moilami wrote...

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

moilami wrote...

Brenus wrote...

So basically, DA2 is full of mind numbingly boring combat that you literally want to skip it, and most of the game is this way, yet there are people who have easily completed the game in under 30 hours ....

So essentially, you paid $60 for n RPG with 5-10 hours of storyline, and 20-25 hours of combat, and you hated the combat so much that in the future, you would rather pay $60 for nothing but a 10 hour story rendered in a crappy 3D game engine?

Lol do people who are asking for that fail so hard.

I paid of DA2 sig edition about 30€, and it has given me more fun in forums than any other game excluding DA. However, I have no intentions to buy another DA game or DLC if they give more fun in forums than in game.

You can buy dumbed down arcade adventure games with bad combat. Have fun smashing buttons!

Origins was jus as much a button masher as DA2. I mashed buttons hoping everyone would just ****ing attack faster. I never even used tactics in Origins, not even on the High Dragon. the only tactic I ever did was "You use a potion. Good. keep attacking."


in fact I don't find many games all that "tactical"

I think you just fear the change. 

what change? The "skip all combat because I'm incredibly lazy to actually play" change? or some other change? What you think about me and video games is irrelevant. What I think about me and video games is relevant

The Big Change coming with Dreadful "Skip the Combat" button.

And I am very lazy to bash buttons in random to see how something awesome happens. That does not count to me as worthwhile playing. There was a game called Tekken, which was cool, and when I played it first time I just bashed the buttons and all kind of awesome things happened. It was all the same what button I pressed and when! Much like in DA2.

By the way you said you don't know many games what are tactical. I can help you in that easily.

Free legal downloads for two games which require both tactical and strategical playing skills.

http://www.wesnoth.org/

http://www.steelpanthersonline.com/

There are many others but those are my favorits. One of them have very simple ruleset and other one have very complex ruleset. 

[sleepyowlet]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

sleepyowlet wrote...

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

no but Aveline is. She's a companion. She's cleaning up the streets. If the captain of the guard is cleaning up the streets and has no problem with Hawke helping out, I really don't see your point.

That is not my point. My point is that I'm forced to do that. And I don't like being forced. Besides, those guys must be part lemming. How long would it realistically take to spread across town that this is Hawke. Don't mess with the Hawke, you'll only get dead...

the same could be said of the Warden. A good number of people (not all, but a lot) knew who the Warden was, made even more evident by the sketch of him Sergeant Kylon says there is in Denerim, yet they continue to mess with him.

and you want to let criminals live, because you don't want to fight them, even if one of your companions who is the captain of the guard personally has no qualms with you cleaning up the streets and helping keep her guards safe. I really am left speechless now.... seriously I don't know how to respond to that..... (and no I'm not conceding)

Good. I like having civilized debates. Thing is, keeping the city safe is not my job. Defeating the Darkspawn and Archie is the very job-description of the Warden. That people still mess with the Warden is because you don't have it tattoed to your forehead, and the game only covers about a year - not enough time for everyone in Ferelden to memorize your face. As for the picture of you, how good can it be? Well, perhaps if Loghain drew it himself, since he never forgets a face. Who else knows what you look like? If you're not playing a Cousie, that is.

Hawke lives in the city for years. People are bound to know what you look like. The lemming-bandits don't make sense, especially not in the later acts.  Any normal bandit would run away once they notice that their party is close to being wiped out. Don't those people have any kind of survival-instinct?