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[Darkest Dreamer]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

wait.... am I the poor person who's twice proven wrong?

No, I meant the hypothetical person.

Modifié par Darkest Dreamer, 23 mars 2011 - 12:43 .

[TEWR]

Darkest Dreamer wrote...

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

wait.... am I the poor person who's twice proven wrong?

No, I meant the hypothetical person.

ok that's what I thought. *sigh of relief*

[Darkest Dreamer]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

ok that's what I thought. *sigh of relief*

Or at least what I want you to think.

[TEWR]

Darkest Dreamer wrote...

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

ok that's what I thought. *sigh of relief*

Or at least what I want you to think.

oh god my mind is already full of enough f*** today, I don't need more you evil person you

 = YOU

[Darkest Dreamer]

MonkeyLungs wrote...

Alternate routes to challenges.
Less combat but more meaningful encounters when combat is necessary.
Enemies that plausibly exisit within the gamespace (ie not teleporting out of nowhere)
Non-combat skills (real stealth, diplomacy, subterfuge)

As many have already stated these kinds of things just add to the fun. They even make your combat MORE meaningful because you have choices other than violence. So a character that is purposefully combative carries even more weight from a RP viewpoint.

Well said...

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

oh god my mind is already full of enough f*** today, I don't need more you evil person you

 = YOU

*Cackles Maniacally*

[TEWR]

Monkeylungs wrote...

Non-combat skills (real stealth, diplomacy, subterfuge)

But subterfuge and stealth were in DA2. It had its own tree and everything

Darkest Dreamer wrote...

*Cackles Maniacally*

you're twirling your evil twirly mustache now aren't you?

Modifié par The Ethereal Writer Redux, 23 mars 2011 - 01:03 .

[wowpwnslol]

Sure, as long as you don't get XP or loot when you skip combat.

[Tirigon]

the_one_54321 wrote...

Tirigon wrote...
Less combat would clear ressources for more dialogue[smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/wizard.png[/smilie]

moilami wrote...
If there would be less combat there would be then more dialogue etc? More romances?

Allow me to introduce the two of you to Visual Novels. No combat. Just dialog, story telling, and romance. In all kinds of crazy imaginary settings. And incredibly enjoyable for exactly those features.

Unfortunately I don´t know hat kind of thing.

Would you mind providing me with a description or something?

[sleepyowlet]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

Monkeylungs wrote...

Non-combat skills (real stealth, diplomacy, subterfuge)

But subterfuge and stealth were in DA2. It had its own tree and everything

Yes, but you couldn't use that stuff outside of combat. I missed being able to sneak up on enemies. And I hated that they went red the minute they entered your mini-map. It didn't matter at all if your characters saw them, or if they saw your characters. Stealth was limited severely in use - in DA2 it was only a way to make your rogue loose the aggro, and score critical hits. Sad. It could not be used in breaking and entering or to help you pickpocket. Why am I playing a rogue, if I can't steal stuff? I had so much fun with this in DA:O ... my Chaeli Tabris became a real cleptomaniac

[Galad22]

sleepyowlet wrote...

Yes, but you couldn't use that stuff outside of combat. I missed being able to sneak up on enemies. And I hated that they went red the minute they entered your mini-map. It didn't matter at all if your characters saw them, or if they saw your characters. Stealth was limited severely in use - in DA2 it was only a way to make your rogue loose the aggro, and score critical hits. Sad. It could not be used in breaking and entering or to help you pickpocket. Why am I playing a rogue, if I can't steal stuff? I had so much fun with this in DA:O ... my Chaeli Tabris became a real cleptomaniac

I had my rogues stealing stuff from ogres middle of the fight, was fairly fun. Used tactics slot for that so I didn't have to try 20 times manually.

I had sooo much sovereigns at the end.

Modifié par Galad22, 23 mars 2011 - 01:15 .

[TEWR]

sleepyowlet wrote...

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

Monkeylungs wrote...

Non-combat skills (real stealth, diplomacy, subterfuge)

But subterfuge and stealth were in DA2. It had its own tree and everything

Yes, but you couldn't use that stuff outside of combat. I missed being able to sneak up on enemies. And I hated that they went red the minute they entered your mini-map. It didn't matter at all if your characters saw them, or if they saw your characters. Stealth was limited severely in use - in DA2 it was only a way to make your rogue loose the aggro, and score critical hits. Sad. It could not be used in breaking and entering or to help you pickpocket. Why am I playing a rogue, if I can't steal stuff? I had so much fun with this in DA:O ... my Chaeli Tabris became a real cleptomaniac

well I never used stealth all that much in DA2 anyway so . In DA:O I used it a bit more only because, like your Tabris (which origin was that? Mage Elf?) I was a severe kleptomaniac. I miss being able to steal too.

[Eber]

Set the difficulty to casual. Get a save file editor and give yourself 1000 attribute points and 100 skill points or some such. It's close to skipping battle and it's the only way I play the Witcher and my preferred way of playing Dragon Age 2. Unfortunately because of the waves cleaning up still takes some time.

Edit:  Or better yet activate the developer console and create a macro that types ~runscript killallhostiles. Tie it to a button of choice (mouse buttons are convenient) and there you go, a skip combat button!

Modifié par Eber, 23 mars 2011 - 01:39 .

[sleepyowlet]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

sleepyowlet wrote...

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

Monkeylungs wrote...

Non-combat skills (real stealth, diplomacy, subterfuge)

But subterfuge and stealth were in DA2. It had its own tree and everything

Yes, but you couldn't use that stuff outside of combat. I missed being able to sneak up on enemies. And I hated that they went red the minute they entered your mini-map. It didn't matter at all if your characters saw them, or if they saw your characters. Stealth was limited severely in use - in DA2 it was only a way to make your rogue loose the aggro, and score critical hits. Sad. It could not be used in breaking and entering or to help you pickpocket. Why am I playing a rogue, if I can't steal stuff? I had so much fun with this in DA:O ... my Chaeli Tabris became a real cleptomaniac

well I never used stealth all that much in DA2 anyway so . In DA:O I used it a bit more only because, like your Tabris (which origin was that? Mage Elf?) I was a severe kleptomaniac. I miss being able to steal too.

Tabris was the City Elf. It just made sense to me that a guttersnipe would know how to pickpocket and stuff. And remember Slim Couldry's quests? I had a blast - especially when I saved the last one for after the Landsmeet and brought Loghain with me to steal his own crown.

[TEWR]

sleepyowlet wrote...


It just made sense to me that a guttersnipe would know how to pickpocket and stuff. And remember Slim Couldry's quests? I had a blast - especially when I saved the last one for after the Landsmeet and brought Loghain with me to steal his own crown.

LOL that's what I did too!

[Kileyan]

Galad22 wrote...

the_one_54321 wrote...
Not at all, and that's my point. You can make your sand castle completely seperate and unrelated from mine.

Different sand castles.
Different game developers.
There is no need to mix, or to change.

This would just make one optional little change in your sandcastle, which really shouldn't bother you being optional and all. So I really don't see your point.

Because if there is one thing game dev's love, it is any reason they can dream up to tone down, remove or simplify features, or just save time and work.

If they seriously made a skip combat button, you can bet combat mechancics quality would suffer. Dev's will innocently say "well we saw no reason to put many hours into the combat mechanics, since it is optional".  Then after the game is released with bad or boring combat, they will announce that their data mining shows that when given a choice, many gamers choose the skip combat button. This leads to interactive movie games, when you do little more that click a button and watch a movie that is lightly directed by your clicks.

Don't walk into a shooter or something, say you loved the story, then demand to be able to see the story without actually playing the darn game. Is there really a market for someone to pay 59.95 for a game, then get 2 hours play out of it, because the other meat of the game is combat, leveling, tinkering with equipment and skills. I just can't imagine there being much a target audience for a click a movie along version of an RPG or story based shooter. What is next, without all the combat or tension of coming combat, all that walking around it really pointless as well. No exploring either, just click some movies along.

I have no doubt some people genuinely want this feature, I just can't imagine them being happy when it is given to them, and they find out their 30+ hour game is really just 2 hours or so for the full price of 59.95.

[TEWR]

Kileyan wrote...


Because if there is one thing game dev's love, it is any reason they can dream up to tone down, remove or simplify features, or just save time and work.

If they seriously made a skip combat button, you can bet combat mechancics quality would suffer. Dev's will innocently say "well we saw no reason to put many hours into the combat mechanics, since it is optional".  Then after the game is released with bad or boring combat, they will announce that their data mining shows that when given a choice, many gamers choose the skip combat button. This leads to interactive movie games, when you do little more that click a button and watch a movie that is lightly directed by your clicks.

Don't walk into a shooter or something, say you loved the story, then demand to be able to see the story without actually playing the darn game. Is there really a market for someone to pay 59.95 for a game, then get 2 hours play out of it, because the other meat of the game is combat, leveling, tinkering with equipment and skills. I just can't imagine there being much a target audience for a click a movie along version of an RPG or story based shooter. What is next, without all the combat or tension of coming combat, all that walking around it really pointless as well. No exploring either, just click some movies along.

I have no doubt some people genuinely want this feature, I just can't imagine them being happy when it is given to them, and they find out their 30+ hour game is really just 2 hours or so for the full price of 59.95.

THIS.

[Whammo]

Bioware should just incorporate this feature into the game and be done with it.

[DungeonLord]

I think Bioware would do a lot better making visual novels these days. Skip combat button would be great. Who wants to wade through tedious waves of enemies that all scale to match your level. BORING!!!

[kosarev]

All the people bahing the op, saying things like buy a book or watcha movie etc have ever played vampire:the masquerade? That one was a real rpg, and you could skip most of the combat developing your character with stealth skills, conversational skills...

Rpgs are not only about combat. Bioware on their streamlining crusade wants us to believe that, giving us less and less ways to handle situations. And when the only option to get to the story is combat and the combat is so horribly boring and repetitive as in da2, well, a skip combat button may be welcome.

[MonkeyLungs]

sleepyowlet wrote...

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

Monkeylungs wrote...

Non-combat skills (real stealth, diplomacy, subterfuge)

But subterfuge and stealth were in DA2. It had its own tree and everything

Yes, but you couldn't use that stuff outside of combat. I missed being able to sneak up on enemies. And I hated that they went red the minute they entered your mini-map. It didn't matter at all if your characters saw them, or if they saw your characters. Stealth was limited severely in use - in DA2 it was only a way to make your rogue loose the aggro, and score critical hits. Sad. It could not be used in breaking and entering or to help you pickpocket. Why am I playing a rogue, if I can't steal stuff? I had so much fun with this in DA:O ... my Chaeli Tabris became a real cleptomaniac

Bad choice of words I guess. By stealth I meant: being able to sneak around potential opponents to avoid combat altogether. By subterfuge I meant being able to use non violent yet non diplomatic means to confront challenges, such as disguises, distractions, infiltrations, etc. Sorry for using terms already in use in game I should have used better explanations.

[moilami]

Eber wrote...

Set the difficulty to casual. Get a save file editor and give yourself 1000 attribute points and 100 skill points or some such. It's close to skipping battle and it's the only way I play the Witcher and my preferred way of playing Dragon Age 2. Unfortunately because of the waves cleaning up still takes some time.

Edit:  Or better yet activate the developer console and create a macro that types ~runscript killallhostiles. Tie it to a button of choice (mouse buttons are convenient) and there you go, a skip combat button!

No I am a paying customer and I demand "skip the combat" button on DA3. Everyone does not want to fight. Combat should be optional gaming experience for those who think it is essential in RPGs. 

[Sanchofirestormer]

books are pretty rad

[Tripedius]

Skip the combat would be a bad option in my book. This would only result in less attention to the combatsystem, as it is skipable. Devellopers could argue not to spend a lot of time on something 'that is only enjoyed by part of the community). For me the combat is very strongly linked to a rpg, like shooting to a fps. However I dó miss the non-combat options in a lot of DA2 encounters. No bluffing or intimidating and in some parts (act 3) you have to fight your way through a lot of potential allies only to tell the boss that your on his side, which seems silly. Also it would have been nice if act 2 had a peacefull resolution option. Maybe hard to find, but it would have been nice if it was there (it isn't is it?)

[Tripedius]

moilami wrote...

Eber wrote...

Set the difficulty to casual. Get a save file editor and give yourself 1000 attribute points and 100 skill points or some such. It's close to skipping battle and it's the only way I play the Witcher and my preferred way of playing Dragon Age 2. Unfortunately because of the waves cleaning up still takes some time.

Edit:  Or better yet activate the developer console and create a macro that types ~runscript killallhostiles. Tie it to a button of choice (mouse buttons are convenient) and there you go, a skip combat button!

No I am a paying customer and I demand "skip the combat" button on DA3. Everyone does not want to fight. Combat should be optional gaming experience for those who think it is essential in RPGs. 

What's next a FPS without guns? A RTS without units? The paying customer thing doesn't work btw, if you don't like it don't buy it, nobody is forcing you to. Go play the sims or something and don't try and ruin a genre for those who do like it. It like saying I want a horror movie that doesn't scare me, cause some people like horror but don't want to be scared. RPG's totally without combat would be just RP-ing and it would be a visual novell not a game.
So shove the paying customer part and don't buy any rpg-games there is combat in it.

[moilami]

Tripedius wrote...

moilami wrote...

Eber wrote...

Set the difficulty to casual. Get a save file editor and give yourself 1000 attribute points and 100 skill points or some such. It's close to skipping battle and it's the only way I play the Witcher and my preferred way of playing Dragon Age 2. Unfortunately because of the waves cleaning up still takes some time.

Edit:  Or better yet activate the developer console and create a macro that types ~runscript killallhostiles. Tie it to a button of choice (mouse buttons are convenient) and there you go, a skip combat button!

No I am a paying customer and I demand "skip the combat" button on DA3. Everyone does not want to fight. Combat should be optional gaming experience for those who think it is essential in RPGs. 

What's next a FPS without guns? A RTS without units? The paying customer thing doesn't work btw, if you don't like it don't buy it, nobody is forcing you to. Go play the sims or something and don't try and ruin a genre for those who do like it. It like saying I want a horror movie that doesn't scare me, cause some people like horror but don't want to be scared. RPG's totally without combat would be just RP-ing and it would be a visual novell not a game.
So shove the paying customer part and don't buy any rpg-games there is combat in it.

You are talking about shooters and dumbed down RPGs better called arcade adventures. In RPGs avoiding combat is a perfect feature. In arcade adventures you are not supposed to be able to avoid combat.

If paying customer does not work then all who bought the game have no rights to say opinions. Only those who did not buy the game can.