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[sleepyowlet]

jds1bio wrote...

sleepyowlet wrote...

In Origins you could prevent needless slaughter by talking the werewolves and Zathrian into submission. You could lie and convince that drunk Knight in Denerim that you aren't a Warden. In DA2 there is no such option. You talk a little (perhaps), you fight, you kill. That's the core of every single quest.

I'm not sure I would play a total pacifist, but a healthy mix of both engaging combat and diplomacy/puzzles/whatever would make for a more interesting, immersive game. In the end it all comes down to freedom of choice. DA2 doesn't have it.

I'm early in my DA2 playthrough, so I don't have firsthand experience of this, yet.  But, I have avoided at least one fight so far by talking.

Again, it's early for me, but DA2 may be one of those games that connects you to the emotions of the characters perhaps too well.  If you are frustrated by a lack of freedom of choice, well guess what - Hawke is probably just as frustrated, if not more so. 

Other games that do this that come to mind are Metroid: Other M, Far Cry 2, and Bioshock 2.  As you can probably tell from this list, these games haven't made for an enjoyable gaming experience for everyone.

Actually I was frustrated with Hawke a lot. I don't like Hawke. She's not my character, I can't get into her head, and I can't roleplay her. So my connection to her is nil. I just hate being railroaded into killing lots of people. You'll know what I mean once you finish the game.

And I remember that one fight you can avoid - the Fereldan thugs, right? Well, ... uh. No. I won't write a spoiler here.

[88mphSlayer]

moilami wrote...

Creelers wrote...

May as well just watch a film if you want to skip the combat.

Yes, and that film can be put in as cinematics in DA3. And if you don't enjoy cinematics you can just skip it.

or just get it over with and play Heavy Rain instead of Dragon Age 3

[moilami]

sleepyowlet wrote...

Creelers wrote...

May as well just watch a film if you want to skip the combat.

Because a film is all that's left over once you remove the combat. And that is sad. It shouldn't be that way. There should be more to an RPG than fighting and pretty pictures.

Yes, but those people here don't want an RPG. They want dumbed down action adventure, and they have got it. That's why they are very happy. They just press a button and something awesome happens.

Hilarious to see so totally facts based, objective, and neutral sentence to appear to be so sarcastical. Must be some kind of world record.

[Giga Drill BREAKER]

so if you want to skip combat, skip conversations, skip fmv's, oh and we also need a skip puzzles and mediating disputes button (for those that don't like that), what are we left with?

[88mphSlayer]

DinoSteve wrote...

so if you want to skip combat, skip conversations, skip fmv's, oh and we also need a skip puzzles and mediating disputes button (for those that don't like that), what are we left with?

taking the disc out and playing something else

[moilami]

88mphSlayer wrote...

moilami wrote...

Creelers wrote...

May as well just watch a film if you want to skip the combat.

Yes, and that film can be put in as cinematics in DA3. And if you don't enjoy cinematics you can just skip it.

or just get it over with and play Heavy Rain instead of Dragon Age 3

Haha, do you think I will play dumbed down arcade adventure called DA3? Even if I would get it for free? I can say I wont. You would have to pay me to play it.

[moilami]

88mphSlayer wrote...

DinoSteve wrote...

so if you want to skip combat, skip conversations, skip fmv's, oh and we also need a skip puzzles and mediating disputes button (for those that don't like that), what are we left with?

taking the disc out and playing something else

Yeah. There are tons of playable games and more come every year.

[JoshieoPandar]

DinoSteve wrote...

so if you want to skip combat, skip conversations, skip fmv's, oh and we also need a skip puzzles and mediating disputes button (for those that don't like that), what are we left with?

Hard art cover.

[Giga Drill BREAKER]

88mphSlayer wrote...

DinoSteve wrote...

so if you want to skip combat, skip conversations, skip fmv's, oh and we also need a skip puzzles and mediating disputes button (for those that don't like that), what are we left with?

taking the disc out and playing something else

balls I forgot a button to remove the inventory and the building of a character

[sleepyowlet]

DinoSteve wrote...

so if you want to skip combat, skip conversations, skip fmv's, oh and we also need a skip puzzles and mediating disputes button (for those that don't like that), what are we left with?

Uh... people who skip the fighting mostly play the game for interaction with the world and its characters. Two out of three remain.
People who don't like puzzles/diplomacy are still left with character interaction and combat. Two out of three remain.

Your point being?

[The Brigand]

DinoSteve wrote...

so if you want to skip combat, skip conversations, skip fmv's, oh and we also need a skip puzzles and mediating disputes button (for those that don't like that), what are we left with?

We're left with a game that can be played as a mindless hack and slash arcade game, or an interactive animated movie, or a puzzle game, or, as somebody else pointed out, any mix of the three.

Is that really such a bad thing? Is your world going to end if they do that?

Modifié par The Brigand, 20 mars 2011 - 02:24 .

[88mphSlayer]

moilami wrote...

88mphSlayer wrote...

moilami wrote...

Creelers wrote...

May as well just watch a film if you want to skip the combat.

Yes, and that film can be put in as cinematics in DA3. And if you don't enjoy cinematics you can just skip it.

or just get it over with and play Heavy Rain instead of Dragon Age 3

Haha, do you think I will play dumbed down arcade adventure called DA3? Even if I would get it for free? I can say I wont. You would have to pay me to play it.

well you played DA2 and apparently enjoyed it enough to register it to your forum account

either way, say DA3 improves combat, improves the dialogue and conversation wheel, improves the ending and the side quests and the graphics and character relationships and so-on, but also adds the ability to just skip everything including combat, cutscenes, etc.

even if DA3 somehow amazingly improves upon DA2 that it redeems the franchise... if you're still so impatient you just skip everything because you don't want an rpg... what's the point? play Heavy Rain, or maybe LA Noire when that comes out... point is there are already cinematic games on the market, no need for DA3 to become FFXIII

[AkiKishi]

jds1bio wrote...

I'm early in my DA2 playthrough, so I don't have firsthand experience of this, yet.  But, I have avoided at least one fight so far by talking.

Again, it's early for me, but DA2 may be one of those games that connects you to the emotions of the characters perhaps too well.  If you are frustrated by a lack of freedom of choice, well guess what - Hawke is probably just as frustrated, if not more so. 

Other games that do this that come to mind are Metroid: Other M, Far Cry 2, and Bioshock 2.  As you can probably tell from this list, these games haven't made for an enjoyable gaming experience for everyone.

No it's one of those sorts of games. The frustration is just down to the game being limited rather than any real game world reason.

[Darkest Dreamer]

sleepyowlet wrote...

Uh... people who skip the fighting mostly play the game for interaction with the world and its characters. Two out of three remain.
People who don't like puzzles/diplomacy are still left with character interaction and combat. Two out of three remain.

Your point being?

That asking to skip combat is like asking to skip life itself?

There seems to be a lot of wild conclusions being drawn from a single statement and a lot of aggression for something that hardly impedes on anyone else's game.

Modifié par Darkest Dreamer, 20 mars 2011 - 02:27 .

[Giga Drill BREAKER]

my point being is that if bioware try to cater for everyone there will be one **** game, why can't a game contain all these without a skip button, I rarely use the conversation skip button as with every play through I try to play a certain way and in most cases you get a different response, if we start have a skip button for combat then what will the next skip button be for? when will the madness stop THINK OF THE CHILDREN





You know all said and done I really would like more RPG in my dragon age

Modifié par DinoSteve, 20 mars 2011 - 02:40 .

[hawat333]

I would also like a skip dull delivery sidequest and a skip 21th time explored cavern button.
But then it would be a 3 hours long game apart from some conversations.

[Alpr]

Sandmanifest wrote...

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Sums this up nicely.

Modifié par Selene Moonsong, 20 mars 2011 - 06:31 .

[JoshieoPandar]

DinoSteve wrote...

my point being is that if bioware try to cater for everyone there will be one **** game, why can't a game contain all these without a skip button, I rarely use the conversation skip button as with every play through I try to play a certain way and in most cases you get a different response, if we start have a skip button for combat then what will the next skip button be for? when will the madness stop THINK OF THE CHILDREN





You know all said and done I really wold like more RPG in my dragon age

Some people's arguments are understandable, combat system was way over done, I agree with that. There was room for improvement for it, but it felt way too much of a hack and slash-feel, I'm taking it from a 'Dynasty Warriors' perspective kinda, as well as random bodies exploding, weapons feeling weightless etc.

But I disagree for a feature to skipping combat for the next DA, it's encouraging the idea for the game to be more simplified. Whereas in DA II, things were already dumbed down such as armour scaling with companions as they level, and puzzles, riddles weren't put in. But there were some elements of improvement, though, like interaction with your companions were savoured throughout the game, which I was glad for etc. I could rant on about the pros and cons between the two, but you get my point. I'm just hoping bioware uses this as a learning curve for their next sequel, and make a compromise between the two games.

[moilami]

88mphSlayer wrote...

moilami wrote...

88mphSlayer wrote...

moilami wrote...

Creelers wrote...

May as well just watch a film if you want to skip the combat.

Yes, and that film can be put in as cinematics in DA3. And if you don't enjoy cinematics you can just skip it.

or just get it over with and play Heavy Rain instead of Dragon Age 3

Haha, do you think I will play dumbed down arcade adventure called DA3? Even if I would get it for free? I can say I wont. You would have to pay me to play it.

well you played DA2 and apparently enjoyed it enough to register it to your forum account

either way, say DA3 improves combat, improves the dialogue and conversation wheel, improves the ending and the side quests and the graphics and character relationships and so-on, but also adds the ability to just skip everything including combat, cutscenes, etc.

even if DA3 somehow amazingly improves upon DA2 that it redeems the franchise... if you're still so impatient you just skip everything because you don't want an rpg... what's the point? play Heavy Rain, or maybe LA Noire when that comes out... point is there are already cinematic games on the market, no need for DA3 to become FFXIII

I registered it because I thought that if I try really hard I may be able to play the game. I was wrong.

According to devs I "hate the change".

I say I know better and I say I hate dumbed down arcade action games where if you press a button something awesome happens. There is though more I hate in DA2, some things I have said in this thread.

What I will do is stop playing it and write a review to metacritic giving a score of 1/10 or 0/10. If it really is unplayable I give it 0/10. But if I manage to play it slowly, like 15 minutes a day, I might give it 1/10.

[mr_afk]

I think it really depends on the type of rpg. there are several rpgs out there that focus on cultivating different skills/abilities which allow quest-objectives to be completed in different ways, e.g. vtmb, deux ex. In those type of games the concept of sneaking past enemies, stealth killing etc can be fun. So it could be said that loads of fights after fights isn't necessary.
In dragonage however, lots of the story focuses on the protagonists or "hero"'s ability to kill things - to paraphrase hawke, "you're in luck, I help people and I kill things". If you removed that element, no matter how boring/repetitive you might find it, you would be reducing the game to a movie, with no focus on the character build/equipment/strategy/all the things that make rpgs rpgs.

I think dragonage has a decent mix atm, it uses a strong storyline to tie together lots of violence and amusing video cutscenes so everyone can be happy to some extent. If you really dislike the violence I guess you could always just avoid every single side quest that doesn't involve killing things (wait...that's like every single side quest!) and be so unexperienced/low-levelled that the first enemy along the main plot-line completely destroys you - which could be considered to be realism i guess

[88mphSlayer]

moilami wrote...

88mphSlayer wrote...

moilami wrote...

88mphSlayer wrote...

moilami wrote...

Creelers wrote...

May as well just watch a film if you want to skip the combat.

Yes, and that film can be put in as cinematics in DA3. And if you don't enjoy cinematics you can just skip it.

or just get it over with and play Heavy Rain instead of Dragon Age 3

Haha, do you think I will play dumbed down arcade adventure called DA3? Even if I would get it for free? I can say I wont. You would have to pay me to play it.

well you played DA2 and apparently enjoyed it enough to register it to your forum account

either way, say DA3 improves combat, improves the dialogue and conversation wheel, improves the ending and the side quests and the graphics and character relationships and so-on, but also adds the ability to just skip everything including combat, cutscenes, etc.

even if DA3 somehow amazingly improves upon DA2 that it redeems the franchise... if you're still so impatient you just skip everything because you don't want an rpg... what's the point? play Heavy Rain, or maybe LA Noire when that comes out... point is there are already cinematic games on the market, no need for DA3 to become FFXIII

I registered it because I thought that if I try really hard I may be able to play the game. I was wrong.

According to devs I "hate the change".

I say I know better and I say I hate dumbed down arcade action games where if you press a button something awesome happens. There is though more I hate in DA2, some things I have said in this thread.

What I will do is stop playing it and write a review to metacritic giving a score of 1/10 or 0/10. If it really is unplayable I give it 0/10. But if I manage to play it slowly, like 15 minutes a day, I might give it 1/10.

only 4chan trolls would ever give a game 1/10!!!!11111

j/k

[Brenus]

Why the hell would anyone want to skip the combat? That is just completely retarded.

Seriously, stop buying video games and go and watch a movie or read a book instead.

If the combat in a game is actually so bad that you want to skip it, then maybe you simply shouldnt have bought such a rubbish game like DA2 in the first place.

Bloody lamers.

[TMZuk]

moilami wrote...

Alright, a few days ago there was a thread discussing an interview of some dev who talked that there should be "skip the combat button". I found it hilarious. However today I understood there seriously should be that kind of button. I found DA2 unplayable because of various reasons, but one of those reasons could be easily fixed with skip the combat button.

This is not trolling. Or if you say this is trolling then you must say the dev trolled too who invented "skip the combat button" idea, which would still not make this posting trolling.

This!

[sleepyowlet]

mr_afk wrote...

I think it really depends on the type of rpg. there are several rpgs out there that focus on cultivating different skills/abilities which allow quest-objectives to be completed in different ways, e.g. vtmb, deux ex. In those type of games the concept of sneaking past enemies, stealth killing etc can be fun. So it could be said that loads of fights after fights isn't necessary.
In dragonage however, lots of the story focuses on the protagonists or "hero"'s ability to kill things - to paraphrase hawke, "you're in luck, I help people and I kill things". If you removed that element, no matter how boring/repetitive you might find it, you would be reducing the game to a movie, with no focus on the character build/equipment/strategy/all the things that make rpgs rpgs.

I think dragonage has a decent mix atm, it uses a strong storyline to tie together lots of violence and amusing video cutscenes so everyone can be happy to some extent. If you really dislike the violence I guess you could always just avoid every single side quest that doesn't involve killing things (wait...that's like every single side quest!) and be so unexperienced/low-levelled that the first enemy along the main plot-line completely destroys you - which could be considered to be realism i guess

Speak for yourself, then. I found the combat boring, because every fight was the same. Start combat, spawn adds. Kill a few things, new adds spawn. Repeat. Booooooring. Strangely enough I didn't mind the combat in Origins quite that much.

And the strong storyline in DA2? You managed to find one? Where? I want it too! Honestly. Act 3 was simply an appalling slash-fest with plot-holes the size of an Archdemon. Ew.

[moilami]

88mphSlayer wrote...

moilami wrote...

88mphSlayer wrote...

moilami wrote...

88mphSlayer wrote...

moilami wrote...

Creelers wrote...

May as well just watch a film if you want to skip the combat.

Yes, and that film can be put in as cinematics in DA3. And if you don't enjoy cinematics you can just skip it.

or just get it over with and play Heavy Rain instead of Dragon Age 3

Haha, do you think I will play dumbed down arcade adventure called DA3? Even if I would get it for free? I can say I wont. You would have to pay me to play it.

well you played DA2 and apparently enjoyed it enough to register it to your forum account

either way, say DA3 improves combat, improves the dialogue and conversation wheel, improves the ending and the side quests and the graphics and character relationships and so-on, but also adds the ability to just skip everything including combat, cutscenes, etc.

even if DA3 somehow amazingly improves upon DA2 that it redeems the franchise... if you're still so impatient you just skip everything because you don't want an rpg... what's the point? play Heavy Rain, or maybe LA Noire when that comes out... point is there are already cinematic games on the market, no need for DA3 to become FFXIII

I registered it because I thought that if I try really hard I may be able to play the game. I was wrong.

According to devs I "hate the change".

I say I know better and I say I hate dumbed down arcade action games where if you press a button something awesome happens. There is though more I hate in DA2, some things I have said in this thread.

What I will do is stop playing it and write a review to metacritic giving a score of 1/10 or 0/10. If it really is unplayable I give it 0/10. But if I manage to play it slowly, like 15 minutes a day, I might give it 1/10.

only 4chan trolls would ever give a game 1/10!!!!11111

j/k

Lol.

The thing is that BW has begun to try to spoonfeed everything, even the whole game. If they really take me as some kind dumb baby I say I baby burb their game out of my mouth and do a poop for them to clean up.