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MoonChildTheUnholy wrote...

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I never missed the ME1 inventory system it was terrible and pointless once you had Spectre Gear.

Tell me what rpg doesn´t have end game weapons or armor, there has to be a limit no? so your point has no logic sorry.

People, the problem is not the inventory as the word itself, its the options beyond that, we could still have lots of gear and no inventory in ME2, we could still have mods for armor or weapons, we could still have grenades, we could still have omni tools, an so on.. each equipped would have different stats and choices... choices are something ME2 doesn´t have regarding gear.. armor or whatever besides weapons, this is because of static bonuses, if i want more health i have to go get that specific armor and not the other, this could have been done in a much better way imho, and this should be allowed to our hole team and not just Shepard.

End of line.


+1  Why is this so hard for some to understand and or enjoy. *looking up* WHY?! 

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dnd people know mass effect is more of an rpg than the elder scroll games

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MoonChildTheUnholy wrote...


Tell me what rpg doesn´t have end game weapons or armor, there has to be a limit no? so your point has no logic sorry.


Jade Empire, Deus Ex, Planescape: Torment.

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Il Divo wrote...

MoonChildTheUnholy wrote...


Tell me what rpg doesn´t have end game weapons or armor, there has to be a limit no? so your point has no logic sorry.


Jade Empire, Deus Ex, Planescape: Torment.


Add Morrowind if you know where to look and how to manipluate a few things. 

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Seriously and there is not better equipment than the one you started on those games? that´s my point.

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Anyone who thinks ME2 was "dumbed down RPG wise" has no idea what an RPG is.

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Bioware is mainstreaming its RPG game elements to the point where they dont even feel a part of the game. Call me crazy, but RPG used to allow the gamer to become immersed in the style that is an RPG. Take those aware, or make them 'behind the scenes' and the game ceases to be a true RPG.

Its like Bioware assumes people have gotten dumber

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MassEffect762 wrote...

MoonChildTheUnholy wrote...

Naltair wrote...

I never missed the ME1 inventory system it was terrible and pointless once you had Spectre Gear.

Tell me what rpg doesn´t have end game weapons or armor, there has to be a limit no? so your point has no logic sorry.

People, the problem is not the inventory as the word itself, its the options beyond that, we could still have lots of gear and no inventory in ME2, we could still have mods for armor or weapons, we could still have grenades, we could still have omni tools, an so on.. each equipped would have different stats and choices... choices are something ME2 doesn´t have regarding gear.. armor or whatever besides weapons, this is because of static bonuses, if i want more health i have to go get that specific armor and not the other, this could have been done in a much better way imho, and this should be allowed to our hole team and not just Shepard.

End of line.


+1  Why is this so hard for some to understand and or enjoy. *looking up* WHY?! 

Well let me be more thorough since it was a singular sentence explaining my lack of enthusiasm for the system.

I found the system to be clunky for Mass Effect, it was not very user friendly and you had to cycle through a ton of crap you picked up automatically and most of it was useless junk you would sell or just turn into Omni-gel.  There was nothing compelling or even interesting about the system.  It was clunky and very similar to the system in Knights of the Old Republic which was equally not user friendly. 

Basically you just got too much stuff that was useless.  There was no choice because once you had the best choices the random loot was just cash or gel fodder.  That is my large complaint.  The other is that the weapons did not really act differently, outside of the ammunition-mod you used; they all felt the same pretty much.  So not only are you picking up just reskins that are different colors but they all pretty much work and
sound the same. 

At least in ME2 the shotguns had a different feel from each other just as the sniper rifles, and the same with any other weapon.  They felt and played differently and you could then choose the weapons that you enjoyed based on feel, style, and well what you considered the best choice, especially when they changed the targeting system from a “roll-based” targeting system to one dependent on where you actually place the targeting reticule. 

Anyway, I totally get the appeal I just feel that Mass Effect 2 had a much better system for inventory management.

Modifié par Naltair, 20 mars 2011 - 04:10 .


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thrasher64 wrote...

Today I traded in Dragon Age 2 for Mass Effect 2 on PS3. I thought DA2 was a rushed, stupid borderline hack-n-slash game very unlike Origins. I've never played Mass Effect 1 but I've read some reviews and all the reviews go on and on about how ME2 is an improvement in everyway. But as we all know reviewers are ****** who wouldnt know a good game if it face-****ed them. So give it to me straight, is ME2 a RPG-shooter or a third person action game.

Easy question, is it more or less of an RPG than Fallout 3?

Thanks in advance for your responses.


Does it matter? It's a great game and is worth playing. It's not a traditional RPG though. Less of an RPG than Fallout 3.

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MoonChildTheUnholy wrote...

Seriously and there is not better equipment than the one you started on those games? that´s my point.


These are your starting weapons (not dlc items included)M-3 PredatorM-4 ShurikenM-23 KatanaM-8 AvengerM-92 Mantis 
This will not be your end game equipment. Its unlikely your deafult N7 armor will be your end game equipment
If the argument is there is not as much weapon/armor changing as other RPGs I will concede. However, if the argument is there is no end game stuff I will disagree.

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Matt VT Schlo wrote...

Bioware is mainstreaming its RPG game elements to the point where they dont even feel a part of the game. Call me crazy, but RPG used to allow the gamer to become immersed in the style that is an RPG. Take those aware, or make them 'behind the scenes' and the game ceases to be a true RPG.

Its like Bioware assumes people have gotten dumber

Your definition of what an RPG used to be is not what my definition is, so we already have a disconnect.

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Kane-Corr wrote...

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it's an EA RPG. wich means, not really an RPG, more of a commercial champion.





-Sigh- Yes....EA totally ruined it right? Wrong. If it wasn't for EA, EVERYONE would be complaining that Mass 2 was too similar to Mass 1, and that many things weren't improved...

EA provides the money and marketing...Bioware Produces....people who bash EA need to get over their whole "holier than thou," attitude in regards to thinking there better than the whole mainstream audience. Just because a company wants to market an AWESOME game to more people doesn't mean it's bad. And any changes made to it will be criticized for being because of the EA sponsorship....


People can be really misinformed sometimes.


Oh stop it, you can make freaking improvements without changing complete concepts within a game. I'm getting tired of saying this but seriously their inventory system not only could have IMPROVED (To appeal to the RPG crowd) but hey guess what? they could have made it EASIER to manage (so the CoD crowd doesn't cry wolf.).

I'm not going to talk about the whole 'EA is bad' aspect because well . . .so FAR since they'd SCREWED with Bioware's TWO BEST FRANCHISES - I'd say they are bad.

Edit: By the way, just thinknig about it - the inventory isn't even one of my biggest issues in ME 2. I mean I could have lived with it had they added more guns and not added those ridiculous 'super weapons'. The whole, 'getting a whole new team together' part annoyed the hell out of me too. Seriously, I just GOT done assembling a team in ME 1 and they want me to do it AGAIN? WTh was the point of doing it the first time? Oh and toned down alot of the side-quests etc and even more streamlined dialgue wheel . . . etc etc etc

Modifié par Euno17, 20 mars 2011 - 04:31 .


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EA came to my house and punched my mother.  BioWare didn't even try to stop them :(

Modifié par Naltair, 20 mars 2011 - 04:28 .


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Here is a question, the ME series is it an RPG or RPG-TPS?. I am postive how players view me1 and me2 are determined by this. 

Modifié par Epic777, 20 mars 2011 - 04:30 .


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Epic777 wrote...

Here is a question, the ME series is it an RPG or RPG-TPS?

It is a third person based cinematic role playing game with a tight story line and evocative narrative.

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Whatever666343431431654324 wrote...

ME2 sucked hardcore. It is a bad CoD clone liked only by the stupid and those critics who undoubtedly took bribes. Everyone who likes it is a drooling moron.


Lol u mad, bro.

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ArcanistLibram wrote...

Anyone who thinks ME2 was "dumbed down RPG wise" has no idea what an RPG is.


Really? Are you absolutely sure? You'd have to be to make such a broad statement as that....


I said that I felt that it had been dumbed down and I've played all of the Baldurs Gate series, Neverwinter Nights, Planescape:Torment (which while dated a little, is still my favourite RPG of all time), and many, many others.

So are you sure that "Anyone who thinks ME2 was "dumbed down RPG wise" has no idea what an RPG is."?

Just saying...:whistle:

Modifié par Dave666, 20 mars 2011 - 04:36 .


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PrinceOfFallout13 wrote...

dnd people know mass effect is more of an rpg than the elder scroll games


Nice try troll.

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Naltair wrote...

Epic777 wrote...

Here is a question, the ME series is it an RPG or RPG-TPS?

It is a third person based cinematic role playing game with a tight story line and evocative narrative.

Lol wut? that must be a new genre :P

ME1 and ME2 are very different if you just look at the combat for example, one is stat based the other pure player aiming, so take your own conclusions.

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me2 is indeed an rpg, do you or do you not chose what path to take? do you or do you not talk to every charachter in the game? me2 may not of had the best storyline but the whole point of an rpg is how you play the game by the choices you make. me2 does deliver on that. i admit the new shooting gameplay is like cod but imo i enjoy it because i hated the over heating in me1. im not a big shooter fan at all but people really need to quit b*tching and moaning about the whole oh ea messed it up fiasco. are people gona cry and moan if mass effect 3 is more cinematic now? because i remember reading an article that hudson said that me3 may be more of a cinamatic game..

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you don't say ME 2 is dumbed down. DA 2 is really stupid dumb down, and failed. ME 2 is tweak some RPG element in smart way, and has been successful. don't even say it is dumb down. it's 21st new style RPG. if you want something is really mess up with? it is DA 2. this game is totally failed. I will uninstall it next Tuesday as soon as I will get ACB (assassin's creed brotherhood steam deluxe version). dragon age 2 should be removed in Bioware RPG history. it's shame.

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archurban wrote...

you don't say ME 2 is dumbed down. DA 2 is really stupid dumb down, and failed. ME 2 is tweak some RPG element in smart way, and has been successful. don't even say it is dumb down. it's 21st new style RPG. if you want something is really mess up with? it is DA 2. this game is totally failed. I will uninstall it next Tuesday as soon as I will get ACB (assassin's creed brotherhood steam deluxe version). dragon age 2 should be removed in Bioware RPG history. it's shame.




its that bad? i never finished the first one

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archurban wrote...
ME 2 is tweak some RPG element in smart way, and has been successful. don't even say it is dumb down. it's 21st new style RPG. if you want something is really mess up with?


I wouldn't call what they did with the RPG elements smart by any measure. And if this is the new style of RPG, well call me old fashioned but I don't like it one bit.

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Admoniter wrote...

archurban wrote...

you don't say ME 2 is dumbed down. DA 2 is really stupid dumb down, and failed. ME 2 is tweak some RPG element in smart way, and has been successful. don't even say it is dumb down. it's 21st new style RPG. if you want something is really mess up with? it is DA 2. this game is totally failed. I will uninstall it next Tuesday as soon as I will get ACB (assassin's creed brotherhood steam deluxe version). dragon age 2 should be removed in Bioware RPG history. it's shame.


I wouldn't call what they did with the RPG elements smart by any measure.




the one real major gripes i had with me2 was the me1 decisions you import. i hope bioware really corrects it for mass effect 3. other than that and a non real threat  i still say the whole crew loyalty missions was well done. its like getting multiple stories from people and i thought it was great..

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I don't think they "dumbed" the game down. I think they tightened things up and cut their loses. It works for Mass Effect.