esper wrote...
Anora granted my dalish boon, but Alitstar still won't mention it :-(
Modifié par erilben, 22 août 2011 - 11:15 .
erilben wrote...
esper wrote...
Anora granted my dalish boon, but Alitstar still won't mention it :-(
Did you use that epilogue auto-save? I think that save doesn't includes the boons. You need to make a save in the coronation room after talkig to Anora.
DragonRacer wrote...
CulturalGeekGirl wrote...
Well, my manifesto is ten pages long, so the whole thing isnt sunshine and rainbows. For one, it also involves establishing diplomatic relations with every major nation that Orlais has messed with in the past few decades. Can they really stand against the combined objections of Nevarra, Ferelden, and Rivain? What if Nevarra fielded a new Divine, and everybody but Orlais said "Sure, why not, that's the new Divine!" We could even point out that this current Divine was appointed by extremely suspicious circumstances. I mean the previous Divine suddenly becomes ill, names someone random who isn't even a Grand Cleric the new Divine, and then promptly dies? Suspicious much?
Hell, I could accomplish the exact same thing with assassination and ventriloquism, and I already know a pretty good assassin.
/cough cough cough
Now, I think that some kind of War was gonna happen pretty much no matter what. I mean, Alistair basically tells you that Orlais seems to be seriously contemplating invading Ferelden again, and we know the kind of crap they pulled the last time they did that. They totally killed Loghain's dog. Also, his parents! Basically, screw those guys. And the Divine as she stands seems pretty deeply tied to Orlais itself, a jerk country that everyone hates. I think there's a good chance you could get the vast majority of elves to stand against Orlais as well. So just a little push and... you can see how it'd fall. Giant bloody war? Sure. But when I talked about my whole Duster-deal thing, I was more thinking about the reconstruction, rather than something that would prevent the war.
Somebody was gonna be fighting the Chantry and Orlais in DA3, though. The signs are everywhere.
The more posts of yours that I read and nod my head fervently to, the more I really appreciate your insights and your eloquence in expressing them. <snip>
Its definitely suspicious if you choose to look on it with suspicion, but the point is, she went through the proper of succession. So unless evidence is presented of foul play, what can you say, its possible, its a mere coincidence. And even people schemed to get rid of Justina, a Divine would come from within Orlais, they would never allow Nevarra to pick one and I cant imagine any other countries looking on Nevarra as anything other than another attempted schism. The only result of that, would be an exalted march and you know Orlais would just love that.CulturalGeekGirl wrote...
Now, while Justina V was chosen 'properly,' doesn't this bit from her Codex sound a wee bit suspicious to you? "When Beatrix III was felled by a massive stroke, she survived just long enough to put forth Dorothea's name as a candidate for her replacement."
Knight of Dane wrote...
That they supress mages? That was never a secret.
By destroying the chantry, which means alot to many more people than just templars, he insured the templars would come down as hard as they could on the mages.
He destroyed a institution that to the common man in Thedas (except for perhaps tevinter) was the only safe harbor from "evil"
I'm not the one who's bloody black and white.
Xilizhra wrote...
Every second of "compromise" under Elthina the Criminally Negligent made matters worse for mages.So what I am trying to say is that it is not just some abstract action against the symbol of the Chantry but that Anders knows that Elthina is trying to keep the peace and broker a compromise to ensure that Kirkwall does not become the focus of a Exalted March or the Freemarches do not become another Imperium (neither of which scenarios would be justice) and he quite deliberately blows her up. So I'm sorry but I hate Anders.
What the devil are you on about? I never denied any of that, but destroying that building and the people within didn't benefit the mages in any way, the chantry could end without tblowing it up! I have never disagreed that the chantry did more harm than good, but Anders doesn't help his case by obliterating the face of the majority of the countries in Thedas he just turns the public against him and his fellows.Darkrider296 wrote...
Knight of Dane wrote...
That they supress mages? That was never a secret.
By destroying the chantry, which means alot to many more people than just templars, he insured the templars would come down as hard as they could on the mages.
He destroyed a institution that to the common man in Thedas (except for perhaps tevinter) was the only safe harbor from "evil"
I'm not the one who's bloody black and white.
He showed us how the Templars help the Mafia's of Thedas by participating in Lyrium smuggling for one. That is what the Chantry was hiding from the public dude. They keep the Templars addicated to a drug whose trade has helped to nummerous social problems across Thedas. Well done Chantry. Like it or not dude the Chantry is a more evil than good. They brutaly took away the Eleves rights and beliefs. They slaughtered many innoncent Qunari converts during the Qunari invasion. The Chantry needs to end for a new age to rise. Its old and broken just like the Tevinter Imperium which also needs to end as a side note. The Chantry believed it could control mages through brutality and its blowing up in their face. Just like with the Magisters who thought that they could control the heavens. The Chantry damn well knew what was happening to mages with the beatings of Tranquil. The ****ed upness of Tranquility to begin with lol. The whippings of mages just for talking to people. Mages and Tranquil being raped. Its terriable so yeah Anders was bitter against the organization that have brutalized his kind for nearly a 1000 years.
Knight of Dane wrote...
What the devil are you on about? I never denied any of that, but destroying that building and the people within didn't benefit the mages in any way, the chantry could end without tblowing it up! I have never disagreed that the chantry did more harm than good, but Anders doesn't help his case by obliterating the face of the majority of the countries in Thedas he just turns the public against him and his fellows.Darkrider296 wrote...
Knight of Dane wrote...
That they supress mages? That was never a secret.
By destroying the chantry, which means alot to many more people than just templars, he insured the templars would come down as hard as they could on the mages.
He destroyed a institution that to the common man in Thedas (except for perhaps tevinter) was the only safe harbor from "evil"
I'm not the one who's bloody black and white.
He showed us how the Templars help the Mafia's of Thedas by participating in Lyrium smuggling for one. That is what the Chantry was hiding from the public dude. They keep the Templars addicated to a drug whose trade has helped to nummerous social problems across Thedas. Well done Chantry. Like it or not dude the Chantry is a more evil than good. They brutaly took away the Eleves rights and beliefs. They slaughtered many innoncent Qunari converts during the Qunari invasion. The Chantry needs to end for a new age to rise. Its old and broken just like the Tevinter Imperium which also needs to end as a side note. The Chantry believed it could control mages through brutality and its blowing up in their face. Just like with the Magisters who thought that they could control the heavens. The Chantry damn well knew what was happening to mages with the beatings of Tranquil. The ****ed upness of Tranquility to begin with lol. The whippings of mages just for talking to people. Mages and Tranquil being raped. Its terriable so yeah Anders was bitter against the organization that have brutalized his kind for nearly a 1000 years.
And it doesn't help your ranting by "dude'ing" me
What he could do was to do something that would benefit the mages and still trigger the battle.esper wrote...
Knight of Dane wrote...
What the devil are you on about? I never denied any of that, but destroying that building and the people within didn't benefit the mages in any way, the chantry could end without tblowing it up! I have never disagreed that the chantry did more harm than good, but Anders doesn't help his case by obliterating the face of the majority of the countries in Thedas he just turns the public against him and his fellows.Darkrider296 wrote...
Knight of Dane wrote...
That they supress mages? That was never a secret.
By destroying the chantry, which means alot to many more people than just templars, he insured the templars would come down as hard as they could on the mages.
He destroyed a institution that to the common man in Thedas (except for perhaps tevinter) was the only safe harbor from "evil"
I'm not the one who's bloody black and white.
He showed us how the Templars help the Mafia's of Thedas by participating in Lyrium smuggling for one. That is what the Chantry was hiding from the public dude. They keep the Templars addicated to a drug whose trade has helped to nummerous social problems across Thedas. Well done Chantry. Like it or not dude the Chantry is a more evil than good. They brutaly took away the Eleves rights and beliefs. They slaughtered many innoncent Qunari converts during the Qunari invasion. The Chantry needs to end for a new age to rise. Its old and broken just like the Tevinter Imperium which also needs to end as a side note. The Chantry believed it could control mages through brutality and its blowing up in their face. Just like with the Magisters who thought that they could control the heavens. The Chantry damn well knew what was happening to mages with the beatings of Tranquil. The ****ed upness of Tranquility to begin with lol. The whippings of mages just for talking to people. Mages and Tranquil being raped. Its terriable so yeah Anders was bitter against the organization that have brutalized his kind for nearly a 1000 years.
And it doesn't help your ranting by "dude'ing" me
The chantry had everything to do with the mages, and public was already against mages in most of Thedas, the only reason it is a little different in Kirkwall is that the templars began to play 'how to be a dictator in ten easy steps'.
Anders can't make everyone in Thedas hate/fear mages because outside of the Imperium most already do. What he could do was force every mage to fight. It might not be a nice choice, but I think it was necessary.
esper wrote...
What he could do was force every mage to fight. It might not be a nice choice, but I think it was necessary.
Knight of Dane wrote...
What he could do was to do something that would benefit the mages and still trigger the battle.esper wrote...
Knight of Dane wrote...
What the devil are you on about? I never denied any of that, but destroying that building and the people within didn't benefit the mages in any way, the chantry could end without tblowing it up! I have never disagreed that the chantry did more harm than good, but Anders doesn't help his case by obliterating the face of the majority of the countries in Thedas he just turns the public against him and his fellows.Darkrider296 wrote...
Knight of Dane wrote...
That they supress mages? That was never a secret.
By destroying the chantry, which means alot to many more people than just templars, he insured the templars would come down as hard as they could on the mages.
He destroyed a institution that to the common man in Thedas (except for perhaps tevinter) was the only safe harbor from "evil"
I'm not the one who's bloody black and white.
He showed us how the Templars help the Mafia's of Thedas by participating in Lyrium smuggling for one. That is what the Chantry was hiding from the public dude. They keep the Templars addicated to a drug whose trade has helped to nummerous social problems across Thedas. Well done Chantry. Like it or not dude the Chantry is a more evil than good. They brutaly took away the Eleves rights and beliefs. They slaughtered many innoncent Qunari converts during the Qunari invasion. The Chantry needs to end for a new age to rise. Its old and broken just like the Tevinter Imperium which also needs to end as a side note. The Chantry believed it could control mages through brutality and its blowing up in their face. Just like with the Magisters who thought that they could control the heavens. The Chantry damn well knew what was happening to mages with the beatings of Tranquil. The ****ed upness of Tranquility to begin with lol. The whippings of mages just for talking to people. Mages and Tranquil being raped. Its terriable so yeah Anders was bitter against the organization that have brutalized his kind for nearly a 1000 years.
And it doesn't help your ranting by "dude'ing" me
The chantry had everything to do with the mages, and public was already against mages in most of Thedas, the only reason it is a little different in Kirkwall is that the templars began to play 'how to be a dictator in ten easy steps'.
Anders can't make everyone in Thedas hate/fear mages because outside of the Imperium most already do. What he could do was force every mage to fight. It might not be a nice choice, but I think it was necessary.
Kill Meredith.
But he never had the guts.
Quit kidding yourself, he would be a mage attacking the bloody Knight Commander, it might not have been the same attention as destroying the chantry, but at least he would do something that would actually help the mages instead of dooming them.esper wrote...
Knight of Dane wrote...
What he could do was to do something that would benefit the mages and still trigger the battle.esper wrote...
Knight of Dane wrote...
What the devil are you on about? I never denied any of that, but destroying that building and the people within didn't benefit the mages in any way, the chantry could end without tblowing it up! I have never disagreed that the chantry did more harm than good, but Anders doesn't help his case by obliterating the face of the majority of the countries in Thedas he just turns the public against him and his fellows.Darkrider296 wrote...
Knight of Dane wrote...
That they supress mages? That was never a secret.
By destroying the chantry, which means alot to many more people than just templars, he insured the templars would come down as hard as they could on the mages.
He destroyed a institution that to the common man in Thedas (except for perhaps tevinter) was the only safe harbor from "evil"
I'm not the one who's bloody black and white.
He showed us how the Templars help the Mafia's of Thedas by participating in Lyrium smuggling for one. That is what the Chantry was hiding from the public dude. They keep the Templars addicated to a drug whose trade has helped to nummerous social problems across Thedas. Well done Chantry. Like it or not dude the Chantry is a more evil than good. They brutaly took away the Eleves rights and beliefs. They slaughtered many innoncent Qunari converts during the Qunari invasion. The Chantry needs to end for a new age to rise. Its old and broken just like the Tevinter Imperium which also needs to end as a side note. The Chantry believed it could control mages through brutality and its blowing up in their face. Just like with the Magisters who thought that they could control the heavens. The Chantry damn well knew what was happening to mages with the beatings of Tranquil. The ****ed upness of Tranquility to begin with lol. The whippings of mages just for talking to people. Mages and Tranquil being raped. Its terriable so yeah Anders was bitter against the organization that have brutalized his kind for nearly a 1000 years.
And it doesn't help your ranting by "dude'ing" me
The chantry had everything to do with the mages, and public was already against mages in most of Thedas, the only reason it is a little different in Kirkwall is that the templars began to play 'how to be a dictator in ten easy steps'.
Anders can't make everyone in Thedas hate/fear mages because outside of the Imperium most already do. What he could do was force every mage to fight. It might not be a nice choice, but I think it was necessary.
Kill Meredith.
But he never had the guts.
Killing Meridith would have accomplished nothing, he would just be yet another mage who fought yet another templar.
Knight of Dane wrote...
Quit kidding yourself, he would be a mage attacking the bloody Knight Commander, it might not have been the same attention as destroying the chantry, but at least he would do something that would actually help the mages instead of dooming them.
Modifié par Knight of Dane, 25 août 2011 - 05:56 .
Knight of Dane wrote...
But it was Meredith who was in charge of the damn thing, she controlled the chantry and her power in the city was too big for anyone to do anything about short of killing her.
The whole outbreak could have come without it costing the lives of those in the chantry plus the Grand Cleric that had tried to find a middle ground.
You people keep ignoring where the aggression lies, Anders bomb will never be justified, he defied any way the mages could have tried at a more peaceful solution. If Anders had just killed the K-C it would just be murder by one man and not bomb placed as a representative off all his kind.
Knight of Dane wrote...
What was she supposed to do, defy chantry law herself?
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