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[Tharion]

DA:O was an amazing RPG, great story, fantastic fantasy setting with deep lore and story driven, great memorable characters. But most of all, it felt great to work toward the ending, to tie up lose ends for the final battle (though that one was great it was rather simple and too easy).

DA: Awakening was terrible. Had some good characters, nice moments, but completely destroyed the feeling of Origins. Ruined the monetary system as well as making runes boring. Worst made the same freaking twist they always do in these games, having "good" darkspawns trying to make their existence better. I loved the Origins Darkspawn, altogether evil and foul.

DA2 ... wth? what happened, the story is so damn fragmented and boring. Go to the Deep Roads, 10 min, done. Go to the Fade, 5 min, done. The story doesn't draw me in. Everyone fails in the fade, sister and brother dies. Brotherly betrayals. To me, so far, the story is no where on par with Origins, that one was epic, this is ... unfocused and doesn't feel the least grand.

I am going to finish the game, cause the grafic is great and there is nothing else out there I rather play. But I know already I will not spend near as much time on this game as I did on Origins, that game is a gem.

[MKDAWUSS]

I know the feeling. At the end it was more "Mission Complete" rather than "Mission Accomplished" or "Mission Failed"

[XX-Pyro]

So you want black and white options, good and evil, and no grey/questionable choices, is what I gather from your paragraph on the Awakening darkspawn alone.

If that's what you are looking for, don't finish the game. There is no good or evil, just power and the effects of how people use it.

[Merced652]

yea man, da2 needed the score screen like in me2. Made me feel like a champion.

[MKDAWUSS]

XX-Pyro wrote...

So you want black and white options, good and evil, and no grey/questionable choices, is what I gather from your paragraph on the Awakening darkspawn alone.

If that's what you are looking for, don't finish the game. There is no good or evil, just power and the effects of how people use it.

Not black and white, just a lasting impact to what you did. IMO Origins was better than DA2 in that respect, and there were quite a few shades of gray throughout the game.

[WeedyWeedy]

i dont feel like a big hero in da2^^ i only save a city not the entire world

[XX-Pyro]

MKDAWUSS wrote...

XX-Pyro wrote...

So you want black and white options, good and evil, and no grey/questionable choices, is what I gather from your paragraph on the Awakening darkspawn alone.

If that's what you are looking for, don't finish the game. There is no good or evil, just power and the effects of how people use it.

Not black and white, just a lasting impact to what you did. IMO Origins was better than DA2 in that respect, and there were quite a few shades of gray throughout the game.

That depends on how you view it, when looking directly at DA2, I agree my choices did have more of an impact. However, when DA3 comes out I won't be surprised one bit if that opinion changes to say that "Hawke had more of an impact on events," even if the choice wasn't quite the same.

[CruserBoii]

I don't really think you're supposed to feel grand. In DA:O you're traveling across a country trying to save all of Thedas from the impending Blight, and at the end, you kill the big-bad Archdemon, and prevent the true Blight from happening. Pretty much the same thing in Awakening, except it's a broodmother.

In DA2 you're just a refugee trying to escape the blight from Origins, and once you reach Kirkwall you just get caught up in a web of problems that escalate into even bigger problems over the years, and these problems will eventually set a series of events that will bring the entire world on the brink of war.

[hurricaneez1]

I felt the same way at the beginning but DA2 really grew on me as it went along and really set up an epic finale.

Bottomline....it was no DA:O but it was a damn fine game overall and it did what the middle part of a trilogy is supposed to do....get you set up for Part 3.

[Beaynid]

da2 isnt supposed to be GRAND in the epic sense. its supposed to be a personal story of the man who was refugee, and became a champion of kirkwall. since its a story within a story. the outer story that varric is telling the seeker(the story of what happened), is to not only tell what happened during the events but also the champions motivations for what he was doing.

Thats at least what i took from it.

I equate da:o was an epic story like bg1 and nwn2 main campaign, da2 is more personal story like bg2 and nwn2 mask of the betrayer.

2 different categories of story aim. a personal tale is supposed to stir your heartstrings and make you feel for the character and his plight, and da2 both does this and doesnt.(at least to me it did and didnt)

It does in the sense that i developed my motivations for playing my character the way i did. i felt for some npcs/companions, and grew to like many of them that i thought id hate, and grew to hate others i didnt think id care less about.

One thing it severely failed was alot of times i didnt feel like i was the main character, but rather the omnipresent authority figure trying to direct him from behind the scenes. that was thanks to the annoying conversation wheel. i seriously hope they get rid of that for da3 and every future bioware game because it seriously fails the immersion test.

[hurricaneez1]

I felt the same way at the beginning but DA2 really grew on me as it went along and really set up an epic finale.

Bottomline....it was no DA:O but it was a damn fine game overall and it did what the middle part of a trilogy is supposed to do....get you set up for Part 3.

[XX-Pyro]

hurricaneez1 wrote...

I felt the same way at the beginning but DA2 really grew on me as it went along and really set up an epic finale.

Bottomline....it was no DA:O but it was a damn fine game overall and it did what the middle part of a trilogy is supposed to do....get you set up for Part 3.

I didn't realize Dragon Age was a trilogy now. 

[MelfinaofOutlawStar]

WeedyWeedy wrote...

i dont feel like a big hero in da2^^ i only save a city not the entire world

If you think about it you don't even save the city. You merely postpone the inevitable.

[goatman42]

The story isn't about Hawke going on some world changing adventure. Its the story about how a person who lost almost everything rised up to become an important force in the world. Its a personal story. Hawke does effect the small things around him/her but until late in the game its never anything huge.

I actually like this idea a lot. Its a nice change from the usual fantasy story about the "great hero" who embarks on an epic quest to save the day. If thats the story your more into though, then don't worry. I have a feeling Dragon Age 3 will be more like that.

[hurricaneez1]

XX-Pyro wrote...

hurricaneez1 wrote...

I felt the same way at the beginning but DA2 really grew on me as it went along and really set up an epic finale.

Bottomline....it was no DA:O but it was a damn fine game overall and it did what the middle part of a trilogy is supposed to do....get you set up for Part 3.

I didn't realize Dragon Age was a trilogy now. 

I was under the impression it was always supposed to be a trilogy

[hurricaneez1]

goatman42 wrote...

The story isn't about Hawke going on some world changing adventure. Its the story about how a person who lost almost everything rised up to become an important force in the world. Its a personal story. Hawke does effect the small things around him/her but until late in the game its never anything huge.

I actually like this idea a lot. Its a nice change from the usual fantasy story about the "great hero" who embarks on an epic quest to save the day. If thats the story your more into though, then don't worry. I have a feeling Dragon Age 3 will be more like that.

I agree. Based on the ending it pretty much has to be. Gotta tie The Hero and The Champion together. 

[Beaynid]

hurricaneez1 wrote...

XX-Pyro wrote...

hurricaneez1 wrote...

I felt the same way at the beginning but DA2 really grew on me as it went along and really set up an epic finale.

Bottomline....it was no DA:O but it was a damn fine game overall and it did what the middle part of a trilogy is supposed to do....get you set up for Part 3.

I didn't realize Dragon Age was a trilogy now. 

I was under the impression it was always supposed to be a trilogy

everything is supposed to be a trilogy, its just that most of the crap ones die before they get there

[MKDAWUSS]

hurricaneez1 wrote...

XX-Pyro wrote...

hurricaneez1 wrote...

I felt the same way at the beginning but DA2 really grew on me as it went along and really set up an epic finale.

Bottomline....it was no DA:O but it was a damn fine game overall and it did what the middle part of a trilogy is supposed to do....get you set up for Part 3.

I didn't realize Dragon Age was a trilogy now. 

I was under the impression it was always supposed to be a trilogy

I was under the impression that thing is going to be a mega-franchise, much like Star Wars.

[highcastle]

hurricaneez1 wrote...

XX-Pyro wrote...

hurricaneez1 wrote...

I felt the same way at the beginning but DA2 really grew on me as it went along and really set up an epic finale.

Bottomline....it was no DA:O but it was a damn fine game overall and it did what the middle part of a trilogy is supposed to do....get you set up for Part 3.

I didn't realize Dragon Age was a trilogy now. 

I was under the impression it was always supposed to be a trilogy

This has never been confirmed. Mass Effect was envisioned as a trilogy. Not Dragon Age.

On topic: You're not supposed to feel like a grand epic hero. You're supposed to feel like a (wo)man doing the best you can in some pretty terrible situations. But I have a feeling no matter what I say, you won't be happy. You seem not to like a bit of moral grayness, while I on the other hand thought Awakening was excellent for coloring the darkspawn as more than generic black hats. There's no drama in fighting a creature that's purely evil. They're flat characters, if you can call them characters at all.

DA2 gives us multiple facets for various conflicts. No side is purely right or wrong, so no matter what you do, you could be seen as a hero or villain. The game asks you to make the choices you can live with the most. Also, your second sibling doesn't have to die. There are ways to keep them alive. You can try again in another playthrough, though if you don't like gray-versus-gray conflict, I'm not sure if you'll want to.

[Capeo]

Tharion wrote...

DA:O was an amazing RPG, great story, fantastic fantasy setting with deep lore and story driven, great memorable characters. But most of all, it felt great to work toward the ending, to tie up lose ends for the final battle (though that one was great it was rather simple and too easy).

DA: Awakening was terrible. Had some good characters, nice moments, but completely destroyed the feeling of Origins. Ruined the monetary system as well as making runes boring. Worst made the same freaking twist they always do in these games, having "good" darkspawns trying to make their existence better. I loved the Origins Darkspawn, altogether evil and foul.

DA2 ... wth? what happened, the story is so damn fragmented and boring. Go to the Deep Roads, 10 min, done. Go to the Fade, 5 min, done. The story doesn't draw me in. Everyone fails in the fade, sister and brother dies. Brotherly betrayals. To me, so far, the story is no where on par with Origins, that one was epic, this is ... unfocused and doesn't feel the least grand.

I am going to finish the game, cause the grafic is great and there is nothing else out there I rather play. But I know already I will not spend near as much time on this game as I did on Origins, that game is a gem.

So... you just want the same old tired fantasy story again?  Really?  I found DA2 to be a breath of fresh air.  No dragon to kill.  No world to save.  Just flawed people in a flawed world where nobody is entirely right or wrong.  It made me feel far more conscious of my decisions.  In DAO I just cared about my party configuration.  Either way I knew the game was going to end with me killing the Archdemon.  Not so in DA2.  I never knew exactly what was coming and there was always a great foreboding about each decision.

[LadyJaneGrey]

Sorry it's disappointing you; I liked DA2 because it felt very much like one person's tragedy rather than "saving a world from a completely unsympathetic alien force."  It made for a nice change of pace.

As to the lore and story...have you been reading the codex entries?  They add a good bit and might make you feel more satisfied.

[Frinklin]

DA2 isn't about victory, it's about survival.

[AlexXIV]

MyNorthernSky wrote...

DA2 isn't about victory, it's about survival.

It's about fail really.

[Medhia Nox]

You get to be "great" by proxy - you stand near Anders and Isabela when they make game changing acts.

Oedipus is a great tragedy - this is just Jersey Shore. And yes, because I have to say it or people fly into a fit - this is my opinion.