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So, Bioware, Where did all the regular guys go? (Spoilers)


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Bioras wrote...


Not sure you are really giving him a shot. IMO he seems the best option to bridge the mage templar issue. Any other chars in the game you feel are up to that?


Given what I saw him do, and heard him say, I'd probably, among others, put forward Ser Varnell and the Dog. :P
Seriously though, speaking as an author, why would anyone want to ruin a wonderful story with peace negotiations?

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Lithuasil wrote...

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Yep, the one who had the hots for a Mage in DA:O and went slightly crazy from the torture.  By the end of this go-round, he'd moved from "Kill them all and let the Maker sort it out!"  to "It was worse in Ferelden and we spared some of those Mages.  Aren't you going a little nuts, Meredith?"   He wasn't my ideal LI, but he was a lot further along the road to my ideal than either choice I actually had.  (And that ain't sayin' much.)


You know, as a female mage in origins, I actually really liked Cullen. He was kind of cute, embarassing me in front of everyone, and all that. (Just unfortunate that he never talks a word to you again, once you free him.
But in DA2, he leveled up from "cute, confused and whiny" which isn't perfect, but tolerable, to "Lawful righteous retard" and I just desperately want to murder him, so I don't have to see his godawful haircut again.


LOL!  And I saw him as maturing into himself; confident in his beliefs; and serious about his job without being overly fanatical.  And I liked his haircut, but what can I say?  He'd sort of become a Templar Aveline  my BFF in this game.

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Do I dare speak the charms of the third?

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Lithuasil wrote...

Bioras wrote...


Not sure you are really giving him a shot. IMO he seems the best option to bridge the mage templar issue. Any other chars in the game you feel are up to that?


Given what I saw him do, and heard him say, I'd probably, among others, put forward Ser Varnell and the Dog. :P
Seriously though, speaking as an author, why would anyone want to ruin a wonderful story with peace negotiations?


I agree, the story demanded a non peaceful ending; however,  "the flaming lyrium sword and the spirit of vengance made me do it" excuses just turned the real drama bioware was going for into (I want to say farce, but that seems harsh) let's just say less dramatic than it could have been.

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Bioras wrote...

I understand. As much as you can interact with him....not even a single flirt option.
The first time you meet him him...steeled and poised to strike. After come to find, there is thought and a heart under there. **sigh**
However the end scene gives me hope he'll return.
At the very least he would make an excellent party member.



Agreed. 

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Lithuasil wrote...

Bioras wrote...


Not sure you are really giving him a shot. IMO he seems the best option to bridge the mage templar issue. Any other chars in the game you feel are up to that?


Given what I saw him do, and heard him say, I'd probably, among others, put forward Ser Varnell and the Dog. :P
Seriously though, speaking as an author, why would anyone want to ruin a wonderful story with peace negotiations?


That's what I like. It could be two opposite views that strugle to come together. If you write...you should see the draw there.
And...it's not as if there isn't another struggle on the heels of that. :)

Modifié par Bioras, 20 mars 2011 - 12:31 .


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You know what amazes me? WE all told Bioware how much we (or many of us) liked Teagan in DA:O. The Teagan-love was voluminous! And yet, do we have a Teaganesque LI in this tale? Nope! Not a one.

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If you want a stress free relationship, go with Isabela. No drama, no strings attached, just enjoy it when you can get it.

I usually only pick male romances for my female characters, but it seems like the only sane LI in DA2 is Isabela. Sure she's slippery as hell, but I can't really blame her for it considering the kind of life she leads.

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Carmen_Willow wrote...

You know what amazes me? WE all told Bioware how much we (or many of us) liked Teagan in DA:O. The Teagan-love was voluminous! And yet, do we have a Teaganesque LI in this tale? Nope! Not a one.

I guess we should be content he even made a showing in DA2? No, I guess not.

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Carmen_Willow wrote...

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Male HeteroHawkes have a similar problem.

It's either Mental Merril (admittedly adorable) or Isabonka.

There's a distinct lack of normality in DA2 romances. At least we get a bit of contrast though, whereas the Lady HeteroHawkes just have two flavours of emo to choose from.

Aveline + Sebastian for LI's!


You can have Sebastian..but he wants a Chaste marriage.

When I saw that I was like "Wtf, no?"


And I thought,  "What a waste of gorgeous DNA.  No thanks."


I figured, if my Hawke ever went for it, it would simpy be to try and corrupt him. It seems so easy with how close he gets before even the proposal.

Just sayin.:whistle:

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Maria Caliban wrote...

Dragon Age does not do normal love interests.


/+1.

This.

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Sefferz wrote...

If you want a stress free relationship, go with Isabela. No drama, no strings attached, just enjoy it when you can get it.

I usually only pick male romances for my female characters, but it seems like the only sane LI in DA2 is Isabela. Sure she's slippery as hell, but I can't really blame her for it considering the kind of life she leads.


Hehe I know. I am past straight...but even a fem char in ME made me consider. lol

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When Isabela ran off with the book in my first playthrough, she put herself on my "companions with whom I will only interact when the game has gotten so old, I need to use them to make it fresh..." list.

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Sebastian REALLY could have done with some good ol' fashioned corruptin'. It would have made the romance more interesting, especially since Sebs wasn't always such an extreme servant of the Maker. How bad would it have been for him to live a little again? As far as I know, it's not directly mentioned anywhere that Maker thinks premarital sex is bad... :D What a wasted opportunity indeed.

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Premarital...not sure he even goes that far after marriage.
I know this sounds silly...but after I finish the few plays I want to in this game...I'm going back to Origins.

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I'm in agreement with you... none of the male characters are what I consider romancable for my femm hawke.  The only eligible people are. a guy sworn to chasity or a dorf... ugh... come on.

Would have been nice to have a male romancable character like Alistair lol!  

Modifié par Aurica, 20 mars 2011 - 12:51 .


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Sefferz wrote...

Sebastian REALLY could have done with some good ol' fashioned corruptin'. It would have made the romance more interesting, especially since Sebs wasn't always such an extreme servant of the Maker. How bad would it have been for him to live a little again? As far as I know, it's not directly mentioned anywhere that Maker thinks premarital sex is bad... :D What a wasted opportunity indeed.


I know, it was a total waste of what could have been a great character.  It is particularly true that, if he chooses to become Prince and save his people, in his medieval world, it would be his DUTY to have an heir.  Why does Bioware make all their nobles either sterile or unwilling to mate and produce offspring!  

Sebastian could have been really, really hawt.  I was very disappointed.  I know this particular story is all about extremes, but plueeze, they have to make him take vows of chastity?  REALLY?

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Bioras wrote...

Premarital...not sure he even goes that far after marriage.
I know this sounds silly...but after I finish the few plays I want to in this game...I'm going back to Origins.



Or even Awakenings.  At least Sigrun lives in that story.  I miss her She was my BFF in Awakenings.  I plan to name my first female character in Skyrim "Sigrun" in her honor. 

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Modifié par Carmen_Willow, 20 mars 2011 - 12:54 .


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Yep, Alistair, someone you could seduce and who would make you laugh... and cry...

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Maria13 wrote...

Yep, Alistair, someone you could seduce and who would make you laugh... and cry...


Missed him so much in this game.

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Hate to say this...but Sebastian reminded me too much of Wynne.

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Well I'm still writing FF about the guy...

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Regular guys are for real life, Bioware games are for messed up ones filled with juicy delicious drama. :)

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Carmen_Willow wrote...

Lithuasil wrote...

Carmen_Willow wrote...


Yep, the one who had the hots for a Mage in DA:O and went slightly crazy from the torture.  By the end of this go-round, he'd moved from "Kill them all and let the Maker sort it out!"  to "It was worse in Ferelden and we spared some of those Mages.  Aren't you going a little nuts, Meredith?"   He wasn't my ideal LI, but he was a lot further along the road to my ideal than either choice I actually had.  (And that ain't sayin' much.)


You know, as a female mage in origins, I actually really liked Cullen. He was kind of cute, embarassing me in front of everyone, and all that. (Just unfortunate that he never talks a word to you again, once you free him.
But in DA2, he leveled up from "cute, confused and whiny" which isn't perfect, but tolerable, to "Lawful righteous retard" and I just desperately want to murder him, so I don't have to see his godawful haircut again.


LOL!  And I saw him as maturing into himself; confident in his beliefs; and serious about his job without being overly fanatical.  And I liked his haircut, but what can I say?  He'd sort of become a Templar Aveline  my BFF in this game.


He actually appeared a lot less fanatical to me in Origins - what you see from him if you're a mage, is a devote templar, who has every reason to hate mages for what they do, but struggles to submit to fanatism, because, as Xander Cage put it - There's this girl. (Kind of the spot where templar supporting Hawke is in - you want to do what you think is right, but can't bring yourself to it, because you happen to know just that few people who are the exceptions)
In Da2 on the other hand, Cullen was a complete religious, fanatic idiot, save a, to put it in his own words, "convenient change of heart in the last possible moment".

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*sigh* As I stated..I'll go back to Origins. Back to Alistair. (Did they really have to spoil that with the "ball and chain" remark)