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[Naughty Bear]

Xrissie wrote...

My advice: go lesbian.

This. Can't beat girl on girl or girl on girl elf.

[Carmen_Willow]

Have to go clean house now. Be back later. Nice to know I'm not the only one bewildered by Bioware's choices in romancable men this time 'round.

[Anarya]

Bioras wrote...

*sigh* As I stated..I'll go back to Origins. Back to Alistair. (Did they really have to spoil that with the "ball and chain" remark)

Oh he was just teasing, relax.

[Bioras]

Thanks Carmen.

[Bioras]

Anarya wrote...

Bioras wrote...

*sigh* As I stated..I'll go back to Origins. Back to Alistair. (Did they really have to spoil that with the "ball and chain" remark)

Oh he was just teasing, relax.

Still..don't ya just wish they would publish new Origins DLC to slap him one? Hehe

[TheJediSaint]

Just as a response to the OP, I commend you trying to stand up for the nice guy, but just like in real life, it is difficult for a nice guy to win over the bad boys.

One example of a nice guy love interest in Bioware was Jacob Taylor. He was a competent, well adjusted man who's family issues did nothing to ruin his demeanor. Joker goes so far as to describes him as "Way too nice a guy for all the ways he knows how to kill people."
However, if one read's the forums it is clear he is not a favorite LI when pitted against the two other LI's for females. Namely the broody, angry, and sarcastic vigilante Garrus, and the broody, philosophical, and soft-spoken assassin Thane.

Now Bioware has had other well written nice guy LIs in other games. Alistair from DA:O and Kaiden from the first ME come to mind. However it should be pointed out that Kaiden lacked any male competition for Femshep's affection. While in DA:O Alistair's only male competitor was Zeveran, who despite his rather dark past, could not really be described as generally broody.

So to close, writers probably don't like to write LI's who are going to be largely ignored because of more appealing options. Now I'm not saying that there shouldn't be nice guys, but that such LIs cannot compete when they share the same medium as a broody mcbrooderton.

[Leftnt Sharpe]

Now this thread has got me thinking how many love interests from Bioware games, both male and female, could actually be classed as 'normal'.

[Dean_the_Young]

The most normal people are the sensible ones who want nothing to do with you. Aveline gets married again elsewhere, Sebastian probably has the right idea, and Varric... well, Bianca still has her ****ring for a reason.

But hey, everyone else fills a variety of fetishes.

Anders for your 'bad boy' mentally-unstable terrorist abomination fetish.

Fenris for your brooding chip-for-a-head elf-with-tatoos fetish.

Merrill for your clueless-adorable-helpless ego-stroking geek-bait fetish.

Or Isabella for your sexy sex fetish.

[Bioras]

TheJediSaint wrote...

Just as a response to the OP, I commend you trying to stand up for the nice guy, but just like in real life, it is difficult for a nice guy to win over the bad boys.

One example of a nice guy love interest in Bioware was Jacob Taylor. He was a competent, well adjusted man who's family issues did nothing to ruin his demeanor. Joker goes so far as to describes him as "Way too nice a guy for all the ways he knows how to kill people."
However, if one read's the forums it is clear he is not a favorite LI when pitted against the two other LI's for females. Namely the broody, angry, and sarcastic vigilante Garrus, and the broody, philosophical, and soft-spoken assassin Thane.

Now Bioware has had other well written nice guy LIs in other games. Alistair from DA:O and Kaiden from the first ME come to mind. However it should be pointed out that Kaiden lacked any male competition for Femshep's affection. While in DA:O Alistair's only male competitor was Zeveran, who despite his rather dark past, could not really be described as generally broody.

So to close, writers probably don't like to write LI's who are going to be largely ignored because of more appealing options. Now I'm not saying that there shouldn't be nice guys, but that such LIs cannot compete when they share the same medium as a broody mcbrooderton.

May I assume you have never visited the Origings Alistair topics? Do you know Bio even has an Alistair shirt out.  Also not sure you or anyone knows there is a larger number of female gamers than will ever show on charts.
Yes we are out there. And many of us will always fall for the nice guy. As far as ME goes...broke my heart when Kaiden shut me down without listening.  (men...) I will always be an Alistair fan. Cullen seems to have his fans, as much as he has been through, but still listens.
Don't count the nice guys out.

[rak72]

I feel all of the LI's were despicable in this game. Varic, Avaline, and Sebastian are the only ones I would want anything to do with. They had great potential with Sebastian's story, it's a shame the squandered it. I agree with the OP about Cullen, he was the perfect guy in this game, I love how he matured since origins. I am afraid for him if they put him in DA3, however. They likely will do what they did with Anders & Ohgren - take a decent guy from game 1 and make you want to kill him by the end of game 2.

The game has no replay value for me, what so ever. I don't even want to try any of the LI's once, let alone trying out the various options. And there is nothing you can do to effect the rest of the story in anyway, so whats the point. Back to DAO & Alistair.

[Rykoth]

Kirkwall is the City of Chains, not the City of Ball and Chain.

... okay I've been waiting to use that line.

We ARE in a fantasy universe, and unfortunately, alot of fantasy fans don't want "normal." Which is funny since in DA2, your character is more "normal" then in DAO. Infact, up until Act 2, with a few exceptions, Hawke is very very very normal/average.

But as someone pointed out. Jacob Taylor. He was "normal" in ME2, and people loath him. While I'd love to have a female LI for us dudefolk that seems "normal," you have to keep in mind the setting we're in. Anders is normal, he's a normal mage. In extraordinary circumstances. Yet before Justice/Vengeance, and before even being Grey Wardened in, he was still anti-Circle/anti-Templar. What he does in Act 3 isn't normal. But neither is what Meredith is doing to the mages.

IMO, you should just romance Sebastian. He IS normal, so normal infact, he'd rather wait until he's married to do the dirty dance. (granted that's not what he said, but thats what it implies imo)

[RagingCyclone]

rak72 wrote...

I feel all of the LI's were despicable in this game. Varic, Avaline, and Sebastian are the only ones I would want anything to do with. They had great potential with Sebastian's story, it's a shame the squandered it. I agree with the OP about Cullen, he was the perfect guy in this game, I love how he matured since origins. I am afraid for him if they put him in DA3, however. They likely will do what they did with Anders & Ohgren - take a decent guy from game 1 and make you want to kill him by the end of game 2.

The game has no replay value for me, what so ever. I don't even want to try any of the LI's once, let alone trying out the various options. And there is nothing you can do to effect the rest of the story in anyway, so whats the point. Back to DAO & Alistair.

THIS!!!!

The only thing redeeming for me in DA2 to try to play again is the Sandal hints and even those really aren't enough. I've already moved back to playing DAO.

[Count Viceroy]

Normal is boring. News at 11. If you want normal, there's this awesome game called real life you can play. I hear the graphics are awesome.

[Badpie]

Anarya wrote...

Bioras wrote...

*sigh* As I stated..I'll go back to Origins. Back to Alistair. (Did they really have to spoil that with the "ball and chain" remark)

Oh he was just teasing, relax.

I actually thought that was really cute.  

[Aurelet]

Bioras wrote...

Lithuasil wrote...

Carmen_Willow wrote...


I SO wanted to romance Cullen this time around.  He seemed so grown-up compared to the other two.  A real "sadder but wiser" guy.

We ARE talking about the templar knight captain, the guy who manages to make a regular templar (who, let's face it, is on the intellectual level of a marbari) look like a pure, pristine genius?

Not sure you are really giving him a shot. IMO he seems the best option to bridge the mage templar issue. Any other chars in the game you feel are up to that?

I'd be scared to see Cullen as an LI.  They'd change him into a drug addicted emo.  Cause you know...we need the DRAMA

[rak72]

I don't think it so much "normal" that people want, but more of a decent person that they wouldn't be ashamed to associate with (Cullen) and also wasn't a constant downer. My Hawket did opt for Sebastian - she would rather do without the nookie than have anything to do with the others.

[Count Viceroy]

rak72 wrote...

I don't think it so much "normal" that people want, but more of a decent person that they wouldn't be ashamed to associate with (Cullen) and also wasn't a constant downer. My Hawket did opt for Sebastian - she would rather do without the nookie than have anything to do with the others.

But playing party psychiatrist is part of the experience.
If you're companions are normal human beings then where's the fun in fixing them. Maybe Isabelas quest would involve picking out a hat from that hat shop she keeps talking about.

Modifié par Count Viceroy, 20 mars 2011 - 02:30 .

[Bioras]

Aurelet wrote...

Bioras wrote...

Lithuasil wrote...

Carmen_Willow wrote...


I SO wanted to romance Cullen this time around.  He seemed so grown-up compared to the other two.  A real "sadder but wiser" guy.

We ARE talking about the templar knight captain, the guy who manages to make a regular templar (who, let's face it, is on the intellectual level of a marbari) look like a pure, pristine genius?

Not sure you are really giving him a shot. IMO he seems the best option to bridge the mage templar issue. Any other chars in the game you feel are up to that?

I'd be scared to see Cullen as an LI.  They'd change him into a drug addicted emo.  Cause you know...we need the DRAMA

!!!!!
Okay you win, they might. But isn't the prospect inviting?

[rak72]

Count Viceroy wrote...

rak72 wrote...

I don't think it so much "normal" that people want, but more of a decent person that they wouldn't be ashamed to associate with (Cullen) and also wasn't a constant downer. My Hawket did opt for Sebastian - she would rather do without the nookie than have anything to do with the others.

But playing party psychiatrist is part of the experience.
If you're companions are normal human beings then where's the fun in fixing them. Maybe Isabelas quest would involve picking out a hat from that hat shop she keeps talking about.

Actually, if they did let us play psychiatrist & talk some sense into them, it wouldn't have been AS bad.

[Errol Dnamyx]

If BW gave us regular LI's, people would whine about how boring they are... : |

[syllogi]

I agree, OP, although I enjoyed the story in DA2. Sometimes I feel like a total Anne.

[RagingCyclone]

Count Viceroy wrote...

rak72 wrote...

I don't think it so much "normal" that people want, but more of a decent person that they wouldn't be ashamed to associate with (Cullen) and also wasn't a constant downer. My Hawket did opt for Sebastian - she would rather do without the nookie than have anything to do with the others.

But playing party psychiatrist is part of the experience.
If you're companions are normal human beings then where's the fun in fixing them. Maybe Isabelas quest would involve picking out a hat from that hat shop she keeps talking about.

For me, "fixing" companions is boring. Why the need to "fix" anyone. Why can't they be normal people with issues they need help with, not personality flaws that you feel the need to be a psychiatrist? My response to Fenris was along the lines of R. Lee Ermy in the Geico commercial. I even found myself caling him Jackwagon when I played.

[Aeowyn]

Wait Rage, so you're saying that Leliana didn't need fixing? Right.
IMO, we don't play psychiatrists for our LIs, since really, their personalities don't change when you romance them. We don't "fix" them. I also laugh at the comment that Sebastian is supposed to be the only "stable" character who doesn't need fixing. The man couldn't make up his mind about anything, and only decided what to do as a result of revenge.

The problem with Jacob in ME2 was the way my fem Shep had a "I'm going to rape you" - voice everytime she spoke to him. That turned me off his romance big time. 

Also, OP complains about LIs who needs "fixing" yet she misses Alistair? I'm sorry, but I'm laughing my ass off here. I romanced him, many times, and not even I can say that he doesn't need fixing. 

Modifié par Aeowyn, 20 mars 2011 - 02:58 .

[Bioras]

RagingCyclone wrote...

Count Viceroy wrote...

rak72 wrote...

I don't think it so much "normal" that people want, but more of a decent person that they wouldn't be ashamed to associate with (Cullen) and also wasn't a constant downer. My Hawket did opt for Sebastian - she would rather do without the nookie than have anything to do with the others.

But playing party psychiatrist is part of the experience.
If you're companions are normal human beings then where's the fun in fixing them. Maybe Isabelas quest would involve picking out a hat from that hat shop she keeps talking about.

For me, "fixing" companions is boring. Why the need to "fix" anyone. Why can't they be normal people with issues they need help with, not personality flaws that you feel the need to be a psychiatrist? My response to Fenris was along the lines of R. Lee Ermy in the Geico commercial. I even found myself caling him Jackwagon when I played.

I'm not sure anyone here is asking for a "fix' Maybe just better expolation of the characters bio created?

[Thestral]

Bioras wrote...

Xrissie wrote...

My advice: go lesbian.

Typical...

As far as I can tell, it's a pattern for Bioware. I am not sure if you play Mass Effect. In ME 2 we straight females could select from a sexy ....shallow moron.....or a complex lizzard with a terminal skin condition.

o___o In ME2, straight females have a choice of three males, not two. I take it Thane is the "complex lizzard" [sp: lizard] you're talking about - he doesn't have a skin condition. His Kepral's Syndrome is more like a lung disease. Who is the "sexy, shallow moron" - Jacob or Garrus?