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[Aeowyn]

I think the "complex lizzard" is Garrus, since that's what so many Garrus haters call him. Guess she forgot about Thane.

[Carmen_Willow]

TheJediSaint wrote...

Just as a response to the OP, I commend you trying to stand up for the nice guy, but just like in real life, it is difficult for a nice guy to win over the bad boys.

One example of a nice guy love interest in Bioware was Jacob Taylor. He was a competent, well adjusted man who's family issues did nothing to ruin his demeanor. Joker goes so far as to describes him as "Way too nice a guy for all the ways he knows how to kill people."
However, if one read's the forums it is clear he is not a favorite LI when pitted against the two other LI's for females. Namely the broody, angry, and sarcastic vigilante Garrus, and the broody, philosophical, and soft-spoken assassin Thane.

Now Bioware has had other well written nice guy LIs in other games. Alistair from DA:O and Kaiden from the first ME come to mind. However it should be pointed out that Kaiden lacked any male competition for Femshep's affection. While in DA:O Alistair's only male competitor was Zeveran, who despite his rather dark past, could not really be described as generally broody.

So to close, writers probably don't like to write LI's who are going to be largely ignored because of more appealing options. Now I'm not saying that there shouldn't be nice guys, but that such LIs cannot compete when they share the same medium as a broody mcbrooderton.

I'm back (one can only clean for so long : - )

And I was one who didn't finish romancing Jacob -- but it wasn't because he was a nice guy-- it was because when I flirted with him (albiet in a very cheesy hubba-hubba way), he didn't seem at all interested.  In fact, he seemed offended.   I don't know about you, but if I get the message that a guy's not interested, I take him at his non-verbal word. I would have liked to romance him.  I agree he was the most well-balanced guy in the game, but I don't think he liked my femme-shep very much. I think this was a writing fail on Bioware's part.  I hated that "lean back on the desk and do a Mae West, 'why don't you come up and see me some time big boy'" move they made my character do.  No wonder Jacob was put off.

Part of Zeveran's great appeal was that despite his horrible childhood, the guy was so resilient.  While he wasn't to my taste, he was a heck of a lot more fun than broody mage and broody elf. And I admired Zev for his ability to carry on and see the good things in life, despite his past.  And Alistair, ah well..... Kaiden - he was okay, but he needed more fleshing out.

[RagingCyclone]

Aeowyn wrote...

Wait Rage, so you're saying that Leliana didn't need fixing? Right.
IMO, we don't play psychiatrists for our LIs, since really, their personalities don't change when you romance them. We don't "fix" them. I also laugh at the comment that Sebastian is supposed to be the only "stable" character who doesn't need fixing. The man couldn't make up his mind about anything, and only decided what to do as a result of revenge.

The problem with Jacob in ME2 was the way my fem Shep had a "I'm going to rape you" - voice everytime she spoke to him. That turned me off his romance big time. 

Also, OP complains about LIs who needs "fixing" yet she misses Alistair? I'm sorry, but I'm laughing my ass off here. I romanced him, many times, and not even I can say that he doesn't need fixing. 

Leliana and Alistair were more dynamic than the DA2 LI's are. (guessing you are referring to the hardening option)  DA2's are very one dimensional.  But you and I also don't see eye to eye on this at all, so I'll just agree to disagree and leave it at that.

[Carmen_Willow]

TeenZombie wrote...

I agree, OP, although I enjoyed the story in DA2. Sometimes I feel like a total Anne.

So This!

[Thestral]

Aeowyn wrote...

I think the "complex lizzard" is Garrus, since that's what so many Garrus haters call him. Guess she forgot about Thane.

Garrus has a "terminal skin condition"? I guess that's supposed to refer to the carapace or something? Lolo, I don't even.

Modifié par Thestral, 20 mars 2011 - 03:18 .

[Carmen_Willow]

rak72 wrote...

I feel all of the LI's were despicable in this game. Varic, Avaline, and Sebastian are the only ones I would want anything to do with. They had great potential with Sebastian's story, it's a shame the squandered it. I agree with the OP about Cullen, he was the perfect guy in this game, I love how he matured since origins. I am afraid for him if they put him in DA3, however. They likely will do what they did with Anders & Ohgren - take a decent guy from game 1 and make you want to kill him by the end of game 2.

I guess we should stop talking about Cullen so that he doesn't become the next sacrificial lamb on the altar of EMOtion.  Avaline's romance was the best in the game....I loved it.  I so wanted to be her -- what a nice regular sort of guy she got to marry.

[Carmen_Willow]

Bioras wrote...

Anarya wrote...

Bioras wrote...

*sigh* As I stated..I'll go back to Origins. Back to Alistair. (Did they really have to spoil that with the "ball and chain" remark)

Oh he was just teasing, relax.

Still..don't ya just wish they would publish new Origins DLC to slap him one? Hehe

What we needed was for the "ball and chain" to appear....... just about the time he said it. 

[Bioras]

Aeowyn wrote...

I think the "complex lizzard" is Garrus, since that's what so many Garrus haters call him. Guess she forgot about Thane.

NOOOOOoo. It's Thane. Garrus is not a real romance. And still a beter option for some.

[Carmen_Willow]

Bioras wrote...

Aeowyn wrote...

I think the "complex lizzard" is Garrus, since that's what so many Garrus haters call him. Guess she forgot about Thane.

NOOOOOoo. It's Thane. Garrus is not a real romance. And still a beter option for some.

I romanced Thane, but not because he was broody, but in spite of it.  I liked him because he was SMART.  Smart is sexy.  But I was still thinking "....now how am I supposed to manage this?"

[Bioras]

Carmen_Willow wrote...

rak72 wrote...

I feel all of the LI's were despicable in this game. Varic, Avaline, and Sebastian are the only ones I would want anything to do with. They had great potential with Sebastian's story, it's a shame the squandered it. I agree with the OP about Cullen, he was the perfect guy in this game, I love how he matured since origins. I am afraid for him if they put him in DA3, however. They likely will do what they did with Anders & Ohgren - take a decent guy from game 1 and make you want to kill him by the end of game 2.

I guess we should stop talking about Cullen so that he doesn't become the next sacrificial lamb on the altar of EMOtion.  Avaline's romance was the best in the game....I loved it.  I so wanted to be her -- what a nice regular sort of guy she got to marry.

Or Cullen  could be the next Alistair... (It's an RPG fantasy game...I can hope)
That quest was kinda sweet though. I have to admit to saving right before...

[QwibQwib]

Honestly...I love, will continue to love Alistair forever!!! In DA2 Fenris is sexy, when you use the charming tone and he smiles, melts me away....but I wish he had more kissing scene like Anders. ( it feels my Hawke is sexually frustrated)

[Thestral]

Bioras wrote...

Garrus is not a real romance.

In what way? o_o

[KenKenpachi]

Zing Freelancer wrote...

When I read the end of your post, the only thing that came to my mind was "Duke Nukem"...

Pretty much this, the Answer is obvious


Duke Nukem for Dragon Age 3.

[Bioras]

Thestral wrote...

Bioras wrote...

Garrus is not a real romance.

In what way? o_o

In that there were far more options given to other characters in ME 2.

[Lulia]

I completely agree Carmen!

I am a female player and i like to play female roles and i don't do same sex - not because i'm homophobic, but i like to play as myself and i think the whole same sex relationship is a bit gimicky and attempts to make up for a lack of content.

I was very disappointed with the love interests available to me in DA2 and i was also very disappointed with the sex scenes.

I saw a video of Isabela sex for the guys and it was pretty feisty stuff - not a kiss against a wall or limply flopping onto the bed like what we got <_< I so wanted to see how far Fenris tattoos went

I quite like having to coax them into a relationship, but i just wish Fenris would just chill out towards the end re tha mages - especially when i was one!

I was hopeful for Anders, but he said "I'm going to hurt you" so many times that i had alarm bells going off and thankfully i'd already converted to Fenris because i had to stab him to death

I'd like a male character that just hasn't experienced love before or maybe got hurt before, a bit like Alistair i guess, but who is like a beast between the sheets and loyal to the point where he won't go and dump you to be king or be a terrorist. Just a normal guy like you said.

For interest, a dark deadly past might be interesting - but more something he regrets and wants to atone for rather than something that has tainted him.

[MColes]

Don't romance anyone. Seriously, playing a hetero male in this is hard. I ended up with Isabela because I found her heart of gold in there, and I loved having her and Varric around as my friend, but really.. going into it I had zero itnention of romancing any of the 2 females. Merrill is bat-**** crazy, and Isabela was just a bit too wild. Guys are in the same boat, so it is possible to NOT romance. Everytime you go on an adventure in real life, do you look for every possible romance? =D

I have a Shep who hasn't romance anyone, through 2 games. It's just the way he is, focused on the mission, and saving the day. No time for dilly-dally-ing!

[Carmen_Willow]

MColes wrote...

Don't romance anyone. Seriously, playing a hetero male in this is hard. I ended up with Isabela because I found her heart of gold in there, and I loved having her and Varric around as my friend, but really.. going into it I had zero itnention of romancing any of the 2 females. Merrill is bat-**** crazy, and Isabela was just a bit too wild. Guys are in the same boat, so it is possible to NOT romance. Everytime you go on an adventure in real life, do you look for every possible romance? =D

I have a Shep who hasn't romance anyone, through 2 games. It's just the way he is, focused on the mission, and saving the day. No time for dilly-dally-ing!

I resigned myself to that in Awakenings and grew to really like the expansion once I came to terms with no romance (particularly if you play an Orlesian Warden), but I had high hopes for fine Romance in DA:2.  It's just disappointing.

[Bioras]

MColes wrote...

Don't romance anyone. Seriously, playing a hetero male in this is hard. I ended up with Isabela because I found her heart of gold in there, and I loved having her and Varric around as my friend, but really.. going into it I had zero itnention of romancing any of the 2 females. Merrill is bat-**** crazy, and Isabela was just a bit too wild. Guys are in the same boat, so it is possible to NOT romance. Everytime you go on an adventure in real life, do you look for every possible romance? =D

I have a Shep who hasn't romance anyone, through 2 games. It's just the way he is, focused on the mission, and saving the day. No time for dilly-dally-ing!

And yet you would post here? You just want the girl gamers after you.

[RagingCyclone]

MColes, straight male here too, and I also went in with the intention of romancing no one. And as happened in my RL found a romance where I was not expecting it. I did not like Isabela at all before the game came out, and by the end she was there with Hawke side by side. But if I get around to a second playthrough, I might not romance anyone since I will most likely roll a fem to at least see something different than I normally do.

[rma2110]

Why couldn't Varric and Aveline have been romancable options? Varric is level-headed, loyal, and just a little bad but not too bad. Aveline is level-headed loyal, and good but not too good. My lady Hawke would have chosen Varric in a heartbeat were not Bianca standing in the way. Damn you Bianca!

[Carmen_Willow]

Lulia wrote...

.....For interest, a dark deadly past might be interesting - but more something he regrets and wants to atone for rather than something that has tainted him.

I agree.  There's nothing wrong with the "sadder but wiser" guy who's been through hell but come out on the other side stronger for it (forged in the fires of conflict).  And I like the guy who's only flaw is that he's brand new at all this (ala Alistair).  But these two were brooding "Peter Pans"  who never got past their childhood/adolescent traumas. 

I'm a firm believer that "Living well is the best revenge," something that Zeveran understood quite well.  Sadly, neither of these guys has the fortitude to do that (although Fenris at least acknowledges that he WANTS to get past it).

[KnightofPhoenix]

I wouldn't say all Origins romances were that normal, but I can see where the op is coming from. Alistair would be the most normal and the only thing extra-ordinary about him is his blood, something he wants nothing to do with.

But I wouldn't say that DA2 romances are very abnormal. Yes, Anders is very abnormal, being an abomination who gets crazier by the minute (I think his romance would be the most interesting). But Fenris is not that abnormal. Barring amnesia and lyrium tattoos, we see him drinking, taking a good joke and being angry for good reasons.

But all in all, with the exception of Anders, I think all romances in DA2 are forgettable. Isabela had no impact on me whatsoever and I feel that the story would have been exactly the same whether I romanced her or not.

[Carmen_Willow]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

I wouldn't say all Origins romances were that normal, but I can see where the op is coming from. Alistair would be the most normal and the only thing extra-ordinary about him is his blood, something he wants nothing to do with.

But I wouldn't say that DA2 romances are very abnormal. Yes, Anders is very abnormal, being an abomination who gets crazier by the minute (I think his romance would be the most interesting). But Fenris is not that abnormal. Barring amnesia and lyrium tattoos, we see him drinking, taking a good joke and being angry for good reasons.

But all in all, with the exception of Anders, I think all romances in DA2 are forgettable. Isabela had no impact on me whatsoever and I feel that the story would have been exactly the same whether I romanced her or not.

It's rather sad to think that Aveline's romance is the best in the game, but IMO, she's the lucky one. 

I did prefer Fenris' romance to Anders but my point is all the broodiness....I got so tired of moody men. And I feel for the guys as well...

[Thestral]

Bioras wrote...

Thestral wrote...

Bioras wrote...

Garrus is not a real romance.

In what way? o_o

In that there were far more options given to other characters in ME 2.

More dialogue or something, is that what you mean?

[Carmen_Willow]

rma2110 wrote...

Why couldn't Varric and Aveline have been romancable options? Varric is level-headed, loyal, and just a little bad but not too bad. Aveline is level-headed loyal, and good but not too good. My lady Hawke would have chosen Varric in a heartbeat were not Bianca standing in the way. Damn you Bianca!

Varric would definitely have been preferred...I really liked him.