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[Sammyjb]

GamiSB wrote...

Talogrungi wrote...

I'm ok with them bring Leliana back from the dead, but I'd have liked there to be some justification for it. They could even just say something along the lines of:

"Left for dead after being struck down by the cruel might of the Warden, Leliana's faith preserved her and was she able to draw back from the embrace of the Maker and, though grievously wounded, escape alive."

Not just "o hai, inexplicably not-dead Leliana".

There is justification for it. Bring Orghen along with you when you go to reterved the Urn and he comments on how the place is overflowing with Lyrium.  Magic Mountain that's fueling a healing Urn = out for brining back anyone that died their.

Then why didn't Andraste's ashes bring Andraste back to life? 

Being cheeky here, but seriously. I can 100% see Bioware saying "you may have killed her and tainted the ashes, but a little bit of the ones you saved for Eamon fell on her and revived her. That or she became the 400th DA character to make it safely out of Lothering."

The Mass Effect team handled it well, as Tali/Garrus/Liara can't be killed in the first one. Some foresight on the DA's writing team would have been nice.

[Snowbug]

Sammyjb wrote...
Then why didn't Andraste's ashes bring Andraste back to life? 

Because Andraste knew that martyrdom is a really effective political move. She did not want to come back.

[Sammyjb]

Snowbug wrote...

Sammyjb wrote...
Then why didn't Andraste's ashes bring Andraste back to life? 

Because Andraste knew that martyrdom is a really effective political move. She did not want to come back.

Andraste truly is crafty. Now I'm picturing her with the traditional villain moustache sneering.

[GamiSB]

Sammyjb wrote...

Then why didn't Andraste's ashes bring Andraste back to life?

Beacuse Andraste was burned at the stake in a city and not near a mountainfilled with Lyrium that could amplify her magical abbility. The magic inbedded in the ashes mixed with the Lyrium of the mountain is what gave it any magical property. It's the mountain that healed Leliana.

Modifié par GamiSB, 20 mars 2011 - 07:11 .

[Nialos]

Sammyjb wrote...


Then why didn't Andraste's ashes bring Andraste back to life? 

Perhaps they did. She came back as a sentient pile of ash over and over and over again. It's a horrible existence.

[Sammyjb]

Nialos wrote...

Sammyjb wrote...


Then why didn't Andraste's ashes bring Andraste back to life? 

Perhaps they did. She came back as a sentient pile of ash over and over and over again. It's a horrible existence.

Which came first, Andraste or Andraste's Ashes?

[Nialos]

Pfft. Everyone knows this one.

Sandal.

[Fieryeel]

There are several possibilities for Leliana surviving.

1) Feign Death - She probably used it, don't say in your game she didn't have it. Anders used Flame Blast in his first cutscene, but he doesn't have the skill in Awakenings either

2) She was merely knocked out. Death scenes do not truly matter, because the game does not allow death scene exceptions, unless it's scripted like Loghain's

3) The ashes somehow saved her, maybe the ashes were so powerful even though you defiled them, a bit of them were still strong enough to preserve her life

[TJPags]

I've talked about this before, but my thoughts are, essentially, as follows:

1. Cheapens the game experience to give us the option to do something, then tell us it didn't quite work that way.

2. Makes a joke of the marketing which emphasized "import YOUR choices"

3. At the end of the day, its their game, they can do it if they want, with or without explanation.

4. Nothing we say or do will change #3.

[Sammyjb]

TJPags wrote...

I've talked about this before, but my thoughts are, essentially, as follows:

1. Cheapens the game experience to give us the option to do something, then tell us it didn't quite work that way.

2. Makes a joke of the marketing which emphasized "import YOUR choices"

3. At the end of the day, its their game, they can do it if they want, with or without explanation.

4. Nothing we say or do will change #3.

My thoughts exactly, messere.

Except #3 sucks.

[LadyJaneGrey]

Anyone else expect Anders to survive no matter the player's choice?  I can see it being explained away with the whole Justice-Vengeance-whatever the heck he harbors...but I'm going to be REALLY irritated if I have to deal with Anders in a future installment.<_<

[AFCommando]

So the devs pretty much said **** whatever you did were bringing zev and lelina back, dont even try to make up some bull **** excuses. i chopped her ****ing head off and destroyed the ashes thats all there is to it.

[Sammyjb]

AFCommando wrote...

So the devs pretty much said **** whatever you did were bringing zev and lelina back, dont even try to make up some bull **** excuses. i chopped her ****ing head off and destroyed the ashes thats all there is to it.

1. Curses don't make your message more emphatic. 
2. Zev is dependent on your choices. Leliana isn't however.

[Johnny20]

At the end of the day, canon is what Bioware wants canon.

If in Dragon Age 3, Loghain returns, only to reveal himself as an old god, Flemeth's father and possible love interest, then so be it.

While most of the your choices will stick in the universe, Bioware makes the final call, and thank the maker for that.

Modifié par Johnny20, 20 mars 2011 - 11:24 .

[Sammyjb]

Johnny20 wrote...

At the end of the day, canon is what Bioware wants canon.

If in Dragon Age 3, Loghain returns, only to reveal himself as an old god, Flemeth's father and possible love interest, then so be it.

While most of the your choices will stick in the universe, Bioware makes the final call, and thank the maker for that.

But when they retcon something that they chose to let you do, it trivializes the rest of your choices. Why should I care about killing so-and-so when s/he can come back later if Bioware wants him to?

[Johnny20]

Sammyjb wrote...

Johnny20 wrote...

At the end of the day, canon is what Bioware wants canon.

If in Dragon Age 3, Loghain returns, only to reveal himself as an old god, Flemeth's father and possible love interest, then so be it.

While most of the your choices will stick in the universe, Bioware makes the final call, and thank the maker for that.

But when they retcon something that they chose to let you do, it trivializes the rest of your choices. Why should I care about killing so-and-so when s/he can come back later if Bioware wants him to?

I understand what you mean. But for the most part, I think, things you do will matter in the world and stay that way, however if Bioware wants to bring someone back, they will.