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[Deadlysyns]

 so my question becomes which did you like better not only fight wise but Character wise the Archdemon was shallow which is why i liked the Architect better and honestly though you don't see Meredith much you get the idea shes a Templar through and through the Archdemon however is just telling the darkspawn to attack mankind honestly in my opinion Meredith was soo much better then the Arch demon in terms of Character and Buildup

[Junri]

The Archdemon was just there. Loghain was the real villian in Origins in my opinion and Meredith and Loghain are quite similar because they both believe what they are doing is just.

[XX-Pyro]

Meredith fight was just chaos, at one point there were like 8 statues fighting 8 people, and I was just spamming AoE spells left and right only to revive my party moments later. Was much more intense than the Archdemon though.

[Deadlysyns]

Junri wrote...

The Archdemon was just there. Loghain was the real villian in Origins in my opinion and Meredith and Loghain are quite similar because they both believe what they are doing is just.

Loghain wasn't a Villian just a fool 

[Urbanus Venator]

There was no character and build up for the Archdemon. Junri put it well.

[Deadlysyns]

Urbanus Venator wrote...

There was no character and build up for the Archdemon. Junri put it well.

i would think more of Loghain as the Arishok in origins i mean Meredith had buildup in the Background where as the Arishok had Buildup in both acts leading up to his death the difference being this book was put into acts 

[DarkNova50]

I liked the mechanics for Meredith's fight much better than the Archdemon fight. The mechanics of the fight itself, constantly attacking the additional enemies while my allies slowly kill off Meredith, made me think of the intense boss battles in WoW. Plus, there's something terrifying about a strung-out super zealot, who genuinely believes she's in the right.

The Archdemon was more "Rawr, I'm a dragon. Use ballistas on me."

[Vilegrim]

Junri wrote...

The Archdemon was just there. Loghain was the real villian in Origins in my opinion and Meredith and Loghain are quite similar because they both believe what they are doing is just.

except Loghain was doing it of his own free wil and Mredith was doing it because of McGuffin o'doom

[Kattack]

For a minute I thought we were going to have them fight it out. (I think the Archdemon would just EAT Meredith, and then get a stomachache.)

Eh, the Archdemon was pure evil, Meredith was pure crazy.
At least I felt like I saved the world when I killed the Archdemon. Didn't get that feeling from Meredith, for her it was more of a, "well that's one more person out of my way."

[Denizen89]

Fight wise the Archdemon. The Archdemon was the darkspawn who were the real threat that the story needed, plus it was more of the pinnacle of evil. Another reason is that after you beat him, you got the sense of the story being over and another starting. Meredith was not a very well done character, heck even the boss fight with her was way too easy. The Architect was a bit interesting and should have been discussed a bit more, and the fight with him was interesting. Loghain unfortunately was the overarching villain but he is one of those characters that is flawed and at least he had a well developed reason for being bad.

[Deadlysyns]

Denizen89 wrote...

Fight wise the Archdemon. The Archdemon was the darkspawn who were the real threat that the story needed, plus it was more of the pinnacle of evil. Another reason is that after you beat him, you got the sense of the story being over and another starting. Meredith was not a very well done character, heck even the boss fight with her was way too easy. The Architect was a bit interesting and should have been discussed a bit more, and the fight with him was interesting. Loghain unfortunately was the overarching villain but he is one of those characters that is flawed and at least he had a well developed reason for being bad.

Loghain was DA's Lando clarissien or however u spell it 

[WhiteKnyght]

Junri wrote...

The Archdemon was just there. Loghain was the real villian in Origins in my opinion and Meredith and Loghain are quite similar because they both believe what they are doing is just.

They are both delusional and racked with paranoia as well.

The Archdemon would eat her alive.

Modifié par The Grey Nayr, 20 mars 2011 - 05:09 .

[Brimleydower]

I'd have to say the Archdemon. While it may not have been as fleshed out as Meredith, it didn't really have room to be. Archdemons don't talk, engage in political intrigue, or engage the protagonist in monologues. They wake up, say "come on 'spawns, let's raze a world today," and then get to Blightin'. Think of it kindof like Sauron. We know he's vicious, and it's been a long time since his grumpy ass has stomped around trying to conquer the world, but he's a potential world-ender that demands a rallied response from the free races of the world.

While Meredith had more depth, she was a terrible "main villain" to me. There wasn't a lot of groundwork laid to establish her as that kind of threat. She goes from someone you never see to someone you encounter occasionally to crazy-super-ninja-jumping lady with glowing eyes. Orsino's "contribution" as a boss was pretty ill-conceived as well.

I suppose the bottom line is that DA:O established where it was going right off jump. You're a Grey Warden, THIS is the villain, and THIS is what you're trying to accomplish. With Hawke, it's just kinda watching someone fritter away their afternoon with an overdose of blood mages... which is an entirely different can of worms that threw a wrench in the overall experience.

[dreman9999]

XX-Pyro wrote...

Meredith fight was just chaos, at one point there were like 8 statues fighting 8 people, and I was just spamming AoE spells left and right only to revive my party moments later. Was much more intense than the Archdemon though.

...And then she does area attacks, stuns everyone and talk to about how long it takes to beat you when you have been fighting her for an HOUR!!!!

[Deadlysyns]

dreman9999 wrote...

XX-Pyro wrote...

Meredith fight was just chaos, at one point there were like 8 statues fighting 8 people, and I was just spamming AoE spells left and right only to revive my party moments later. Was much more intense than the Archdemon though.

...And then she does area attacks, stuns everyone and talk to about how long it takes to beat you when you have been fighting her for an HOUR!!!!

that Idol was probably just Corrupted lyrium we know it exsists soo that probably what it was 

[Jackel159357]

On the PC the Archdemon fight was 100x better, it was huge with multiple NPCs assisting you plus your summoned army fighting against the archdemon and the countless dark spawn that were arriving. Once you won it felt like a great victory, the Meredith fight was hollow in comparison. Loved the rock wraith fight though, was by far the best fight in the main plot of DA2.

[Foolsfolly]

Archdemon is a beast and has no character so Meredith wins in character.

As for the gameplay fight, I'm one of those guys who abused the ballistas. It was fairly easy to bring down both final bosses (The Mother on the other hand...) but I've got to give this one Meredith as well.

Why? I don't know, it just felt bigger without being as tedious as the Archdemon fight could be. There's also the fact that the Archdemon fight was the third dragon fight in the game. Meredith's fight with all the crazy statues and all was unlike anything else in the game.

It wasn't perfect. It was a lot of cannonfodder and there was massive of AoE spells constantly on that confused the battlefield. But it was interesting.

My opinion may change later but I really think Meredith's a better final battle than the Archdemon. I think the Mother's the toughest final battle and I think the Harvester in Golems of Amgraak was the most intense and visual pleasing.

The Archdemon isn't a character and it's just another dragon fight.

Modifié par Foolsfolly, 20 mars 2011 - 05:59 .

[TexasToast712]

XX-Pyro wrote...

Meredith fight was just chaos, at one point there were like 8 statues fighting 8 people, and I was just spamming AoE spells left and right only to revive my party moments later. Was much more intense than the Archdemon though.

I know right. My Two handed warrior was just dashing and Scything from statue to statue and the occasional Meredith. It was extremely fun.  The Archdemon fight was me verses him 1 on 1 while Alistair and the gang went tanking on the Darkspawn reinforcements.

[TexasToast712]

The Grey Nayr wrote...

Junri wrote...

The Archdemon was just there. Loghain was the real villian in Origins in my opinion and Meredith and Loghain are quite similar because they both believe what they are doing is just.

They are both delusional and racked with paranoia as well.

The Archdemon would eat her alive.

And then go insane itself because it ate her, corrupted lyrium sword and all.

[Vandicus]

Jackel159357 wrote...

On the PC the Archdemon fight was 100x better, it was huge with multiple NPCs assisting you plus your summoned army fighting against the archdemon and the countless dark spawn that were arriving. Once you won it felt like a great victory, the Meredith fight was hollow in comparison. Loved the rock wraith fight though, was by far the best fight in the main plot of DA2.

I call bs. Archdemon fight didn't compare to any other boss fight in DA:O. The darkspawn were pretty few, and it had like two cameos from major NPCs, which DA2 has as well. The archdemon fight was very simple, hit him repeatedly, sometimes with ballistas. It probably numbers among the least strategic fights in the game series.

As for Meredith vs Archdemon, I've got to say Meredith. Comparatively speaking, the archdemon went down pretty easy. I say if a handful of Grey Wardens, skilled as they are, can take down the Archdemon, a single highly experienced templar commander(I'd estimate them to be about as good as a Grey Warden) with a massive overpowered lyrium sword of doom could take it down.

*EDIT

As a side note, this isn't codex or lore based like my posts usually are. Meredith was just way more difficult in terms of gameplay.

Modifié par Vandicus, 20 mars 2011 - 06:08 .

[Noatz]

I'm disappointed, I had hoped this thread would be about "who would win in a fight?". I would have to say the Archdemon - its a dragon! And has an army.

As to fights I prefered the Archdemon. As to character... why even ask this? The Archdemon is a mindless beast.

[Krimson_Wolf]

Fight wise= Archdemon

Character= Meredith

[Tsarapihelas]

Harvester (DLC, not that pathetic mishap Orsino became) would eat both for breakfast.

[Zing Freelancer]

Arishok was much more fun then Meredith.
All she did was spam statues.

[MKDAWUSS]

Vilegrim wrote...

Junri wrote...

The Archdemon was just there. Loghain was the real villian in Origins in my opinion and Meredith and Loghain are quite similar because they both believe what they are doing is just.

except Loghain was doing it of his own free wil and Mredith was doing it because of McGuffin o'doom

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