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[SmokeyTheBear]

Flemeth had a statement that when the world is in chaos, and there is an abyss, not to be afraid to leap. Something to that effect.

When asking Leliana about her vision in Origins, she talks about an engulfing darkness. When it swallowed the last of the light, she fell... or jumped.

Coincidence...

Most likely. Carry one.

[Urbanus Venator]

I think there both a metaphor for embracing your destiny, and to not be afraid of it.

[Deadlysyns]

i found something interesting i asked the Bartender before doing Isabella's quest and he talks about seeing two ships fighting and both Crashing on the Reef

[Nimpe]

CONSPIRACY! LELIANA IS FLEMETH

[abusing]

I was under the impression that Leliana was bat**** insane. The fact that she turned into an evil **** in DA II only served to confirm that for me.

[SmokeyTheBear]

Obscure metaphor!

What can I say? I have the brain of an adolescent child. Which is actually sort of impressive for a bear... I suppose..........

[Vilegrim]

abusing wrote...

I was under the impression that Leliana was bat**** insane. The fact that she turned into an evil **** in DA II only served to confirm that for me.

Leliana wasn't 'evil' in DA2, she was badass and a devoted servant of the divine (so serving an evil cause for good reasons..as happens alot with religions with temporal power, or in fact any utopian ideology).

[Deadlysyns]

Vilegrim wrote...

abusing wrote...

I was under the impression that Leliana was bat**** insane. The fact that she turned into an evil **** in DA II only served to confirm that for me.

Leliana wasn't 'evil' in DA2, she was badass and a devoted servant of the divine (so serving an evil cause for good reasons..as happens alot with religions with temporal power, or in fact any utopian ideology).

So she Abandons the people in Lothering and the Chantry welcomes her back remind me not to join that religion 

[Benu5]

^ Ever heard of forgivness, or sanctuary?. I understand its big in the chantry, and alot of other religions.

Modifié par Benu5, 20 mars 2011 - 05:33 .

[Deadlysyns]

Benu5 wrote...

^ Ever heard of forgivness, i understand its big in the chantry, and alot of religions.

Forgivness like they Forgave the Mages 

[Benu5]

Deadlysyns wrote...

Benu5 wrote...

^ Ever heard of forgivness, i understand its big in the chantry, and alot of religions.

Forgivness like they Forgave the Mages 

The mages didn't do anything wrong, therfore there is no need for forgiveness. Off topic, Leliana never took any vows, so she didn't actually offend or disgrace the chantry so would be welcomed back regardless.

[WhiteKnyght]

The Chantry is full of hypocrisy.

They say magic shouldn't rule man, yet they use it to rule over mages.

They say those who turn magic against they Maker's children are foul and corrupt. They do this.

They say blood magic is evil and practitioners deserve to die, yet they allow use of phylacteries filled with blood to track mages. Thats a form of blood magic. Just look at Gascard DuPuis using that woman's blood to track her.

[Statulos]

I think some writer like Nietzsche a bit too much. Remember that quote in Beyound Good and Evil about monsters? You look at the abyss, the abyss looks at you...

I think that´s the idea.

[Vandicus]

The Grey Nayr wrote...

The Chantry is full of hypocrisy.

They say magic shouldn't rule man, yet they use it to rule over mages.

They say those who turn magic against they Maker's children are foul and corrupt. They do this.

They say blood magic is evil and practitioners deserve to die, yet they allow use of phylacteries filled with blood to track mages. Thats a form of blood magic. Just look at Gascard DuPuis using that woman's blood to track her.

The Chantry uses magic against mages?

When does the Chantry use magic against anyone?

Phylacteries aren't blood magic. The blood is a focus in a phylactery. Blood magic uses blood as a power source.

[Esbatty]

Vandicus wrote...

The Grey Nayr wrote...

The Chantry is full of hypocrisy.

They say magic shouldn't rule man, yet they use it to rule over mages.

They say those who turn magic against they Maker's children are foul and corrupt. They do this.

They say blood magic is evil and practitioners deserve to die, yet they allow use of phylacteries filled with blood to track mages. Thats a form of blood magic. Just look at Gascard DuPuis using that woman's blood to track her.

The Chantry uses magic against mages?

When does the Chantry use magic against anyone?

Phylacteries aren't blood magic. The blood is a focus in a phylactery. Blood magic uses blood as a power source.

Templars use lyrium to dispel/anti-magic purposes, thats a form of magic.

[CoffeeFrap]

Deadlysyns wrote...

Benu5 wrote...

^ Ever heard of forgivness, i understand its big in the chantry, and alot of religions.

Forgivness like they Forgave the Mages 

Forgave them so hard and thorough they lost themselves.

The Smex Was That Good.

abusing wrote...

I was under the impression that Leliana
was bat**** insane. The fact that she turned into an evil **** in DA II
only served to confirm that for me.

Wai---- Leliana Batsh** crazy. Flemeth Batsh** crazy. HOLYBATSH**

Batman is the hero of DA3. Or Aragorn... hopefully it'll have a sidequest containing pushing the little furrytoed nitwits into a volcano.

Modifié par CoffeeFrap, 20 mars 2011 - 07:27 .

[WhiteKnyght]

Vandicus wrote...

The Grey Nayr wrote...

The Chantry is full of hypocrisy.

They say magic shouldn't rule man, yet they use it to rule over mages.

They say those who turn magic against they Maker's children are foul and corrupt. They do this.

They say blood magic is evil and practitioners deserve to die, yet they allow use of phylacteries filled with blood to track mages. Thats a form of blood magic. Just look at Gascard DuPuis using that woman's blood to track her.

The Chantry uses magic against mages?

When does the Chantry use magic against anyone?

Phylacteries aren't blood magic. The blood is a focus in a phylactery. Blood magic uses blood as a power source.

They use it as an excuse to justify their bigotry and the subjugation of mages. Thus they use it against them. There are more ways to use magic than by casting spells you know.

And phylacteries are a form of blood magic. David Gaider himself confirmed it in this interview. http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/9386107 at 9:50. In it he says, "Whether you want to call it irony or hypocrisy is up to you. The way phylacteries work is technically blood magic."

Modifié par The Grey Nayr, 20 mars 2011 - 05:56 .

[RPGrogue]

I am on team Lelianna is bat sh*t insane, sorta like liara (ME 2)

[ElvaliaRavenHart]

Deadlysyns wrote...

i found something interesting i asked the Bartender before doing Isabella's quest and he talks about seeing two ships fighting and both Crashing on the Reef

I ran across this last night.  Isabella fighting the Qunari after she stole their book.  Was Isbella working for Trevinter?

[Vandicus]

ElvaliaRavenHart wrote...

Deadlysyns wrote...

i found something interesting i asked the Bartender before doing Isabella's quest and he talks about seeing two ships fighting and both Crashing on the Reef

I ran across this last night.  Isabella fighting the Qunari after she stole their book.  Was Isbella working for Trevinter?

Yeah, she was.

[HopHazzard]

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Modifié par HopHazzard, 20 mars 2011 - 07:08 .

[HopHazzard]

Deadlysyns wrote...

Vilegrim wrote...

abusing wrote...

I was under the impression that Leliana was bat**** insane. The fact that she turned into an evil **** in DA II only served to confirm that for me.

Leliana wasn't 'evil' in DA2, she was badass and a devoted servant of the divine (so serving an evil cause for good reasons..as happens alot with religions with temporal power, or in fact any utopian ideology).

So she Abandons the people in Lothering and the Chantry welcomes her back remind me not to join that religion 

She had the Revered Mother's permission.

[HopHazzard]

ElvaliaRavenHart wrote...

Deadlysyns wrote...

i found something interesting i asked the Bartender before doing Isabella's quest and he talks about seeing two ships fighting and both Crashing on the Reef

I ran across this last night.  Isabella fighting the Qunari after she stole their book.  Was Isbella working for Trevinter?

Isabela was working for Castillon. It wasn't clear to me why he wanted it, though it was likely to sell it to the Imperium. So, indirectly, but in the same way the FedEx guy works for me when I order something online.

[WhiteKnyght]

HopHazzard wrote...

Deadlysyns wrote...

Vilegrim wrote...

abusing wrote...

I was under the impression that Leliana was bat**** insane. The fact that she turned into an evil **** in DA II only served to confirm that for me.

Leliana wasn't 'evil' in DA2, she was badass and a devoted servant of the divine (so serving an evil cause for good reasons..as happens alot with religions with temporal power, or in fact any utopian ideology).

So she Abandons the people in Lothering and the Chantry welcomes her back remind me not to join that religion 

She had the Revered Mother's permission.

Leliana was affirmed but took no vows. She was in no way obligated to stay and be a lamb to the slaughter. And a lot of people fled to Denerim before the Darkspawn even hit Lothering.

[HopHazzard]

The Grey Nayr wrote...

HopHazzard wrote...

Deadlysyns wrote...

Vilegrim wrote...

abusing wrote...

I was under the impression that Leliana was bat**** insane. The fact that she turned into an evil **** in DA II only served to confirm that for me.

Leliana wasn't 'evil' in DA2, she was badass and a devoted servant of the divine (so serving an evil cause for good reasons..as happens alot with religions with temporal power, or in fact any utopian ideology).

So she Abandons the people in Lothering and the Chantry welcomes her back remind me not to join that religion 

She had the Revered Mother's permission.

Leliana was affirmed but took no vows. She was in no way obligated to stay and be a lamb to the slaughter. And a lot of people fled to Denerim before the Darkspawn even hit Lothering.

The priests and templars didn't stay either. When Hawke first meets Aveline and Wesley s/he implies that the chantry cleared out before the Hawkes left.