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[Elite Midget]

I don't look anywhere near as silly as those that want the dead to Walk again.

If what I endorse makes Bioware dumb than I wonder what they would be if they tried to do what a few vocal here demand? Pretty sure that would make them appear much dumber than what I endorse since unlike the Well Wishers my endorsement is backed by fact, resource saving, and Bioware's Past Histories.

What do the Well Wishers have? Oh right... Nothing but their demands.

[QwertyQwerty]

jamesp81 wrote...

I've got my own theories on which squadmates will return and which ones won't. Everything I'm about to say assumes they survived the SM in ME2, of course.

1. Miranda Lawson. I'm 50/50 on her returning. It depends on the decision you made about the collector base and how all that shakes out with TIM.

2. Jacob Taylor. I think he may not return. LotSB files indicate he was looking into returning to the Alliance. We may see him again, but most likely as a cameo.

3. Kasumi. Unlikely she'll be back. She was hired on a contract basis for the SM.

4. Jack. I have no idea. She doesn't strike me as the stick around and help type, but she doesn't seem to have anywhere else to go either.

5. Thane Krios. He's terminal, so it's likely he dies of natural causes. However, he does have some plot armor being an LI, so it might be possible to get him back if you do a mission to cure him.

6. Grunt. Probably not returning. He'll probably be on Tuchanka helping his people.

7. Garrus. Shepard's epic bro. He will be back.

8. Mordin. Probably won't return since he completed the task he was recruited for.

9. Tali. Shepard's epic sis. She will be back.

10. Samara. Might make a cameo, but most likely won't be a squadmate. She's bound the Justicar code and will have returned to that.

11. Legion. I have no idea. Probably won't be a squadmate but will likely be a part of the story in relation to the Quarian/Geth conflict.

12. Zaeed Massani. Will not return. He was paid to go on the SM, completed his contract, and likely moved on to the next job.

13.  Wrex.  Probably won't be present as a squadmate, but will be integral to the story.  Possibly a quest giver.

14.  Liara.  Since she's now the SB, probably won't be a regular squaddie.  Likely a quest-giver.

15.  Ashley Williams/Kaiden Alenko.  Will be in ME3 in an important role.  Not sure if that will be as a squadmate, though.  Possibly will be present as an ally.



There will likely be a few new faces.  These will likely be available to recruit as replacements for people killed on the SM in ME2.

Grunt is for sure staying, he says that he is  with Shepard till there is no one left to fight. 
Legion will probably stay also because he is Shepard's fan-bot. 

Modifié par QwertyQwerty, 25 mars 2011 - 07:08 .

[Lee337]

I think most will return, or I hope and I think that replacing squad mates kind of makes the effort to save them a bit pointless, i'd prefer that doing poorly at the suicide mission should have a profound effect on ME3 and not be the alternative of, we'll, I killed them all, but thats ok because i have a brand new batch of cannon fodder I just collected!

[Lee337]

QwertyQwerty wrote...
Grunt is for sure staying, he says that he is  with Shepard till there is no one left to fight. 
Legion will probably stay also because he is Shepard's fan-bot. 

Yeah Legion wants to fight the old machines, collectors were just a bump in the path!
I agree with your reason for grunt too. "This is why I follow you Shepard, to fight big things!"

[Airell]

Casey Hudson had said you are going to have a all new team in ME 3.
The only one that might be a team mate in ME 3 is Liara she did not die in ME 1 or 2.
The reason why is that it is easeyer to import Shepard than everyone else.
your teammates from one and two will be guest.

[Gentleman Moogle]

Airell wrote...

Casey Hudson had said you are going to have a all new team in ME 3.
The only one that might be a team mate in ME 3 is Liara she did not die in ME 1 or 2.
The reason why is that it is easeyer to import Shepard than everyone else.
your teammates from one and two will be guest.

Links or it didn't happen. 

[CroGamer002]

Ahem...

Mesina2 wrote...

jamesp81 wrote...


Actually, BioWare has indicated indirectly that they may do just exactly that.  What they indicated was that a player that lost most of his squad was going to have a hard time in ME3.

Well that was point of my The Worst Import of ME3 playthrough but I don't want to play ME3 with just 2 squadmates.
It's gonna be very tedious then.

4 new squadmates in ME3, no more, no less.

[Lee337]

Mesina2 wrote...


4 new squadmates in ME3, no more, no less.

Wrex and Liara feel sorry for Shepard who lost almost all his team and finally give in and help! Plus Big Ben Sniper, and.... Blasto the hanar spectre.

Modifié par Lee337, 25 mars 2011 - 10:37 .

[Fairhammer]

Gentleman Moogle wrote...

Airell wrote...

Casey Hudson had said you are going to have a all new team in ME 3.
The only one that might be a team mate in ME 3 is Liara she did not die in ME 1 or 2.
The reason why is that it is easeyer to import Shepard than everyone else.
your teammates from one and two will be guest.

Links or it didn't happen. 

I demand links!

[Guanxii]

Fairhammer wrote...

Gentleman Moogle wrote...

Airell wrote...

Casey Hudson had said you are going to have a all new team in ME 3.
The only one that might be a team mate in ME 3 is Liara she did not die in ME 1 or 2.
The reason why is that it is easeyer to import Shepard than everyone else.
your teammates from one and two will be guest.

Links or it didn't happen. 

I demand links!

Somebody needs to die and we're not talking about Kaidan here. 

Modifié par Guanxii, 25 mars 2011 - 11:57 .

[CroGamer002]

Lee337 wrote...

Mesina2 wrote...


4 new squadmates in ME3, no more, no less.

Wrex and Liara feel sorry for Shepard who lost almost all his team and finally give in and help! Plus Big Ben Sniper, and.... Blasto the hanar spectre.

I said new squadmates not 2 old ones that won't be there and Blasto is just a movie star.



Also I think Big Ben sniper is Paul Grayson and he will be with you if you destroyed CB.
Otherwise it is Kai Leng.

[Lee337]

Mesina2 wrote...

Lee337 wrote...

Mesina2 wrote...


4 new squadmates in ME3, no more, no less.

Wrex and Liara feel sorry for Shepard who lost almost all his team and finally give in and help! Plus Big Ben Sniper, and.... Blasto the hanar spectre.

I said new squadmates not 2 old ones that won't be there and Blasto is just a movie star.



Also I think Big Ben sniper is Paul Grayson and he will be with you if you destroyed CB.
Otherwise it is Kai Leng.

Poor Blasto.... he could be so much more if people just gavehim a chance...

I haven't read the comics/books yet, I will after ME3, I like to know only what I see first hand as much as possible. Thats why when the trailers and mrketing starts for ME3 I'll go into hiding!

[Lvl20DM]

darkiddd wrote...

We spent all the game recruiting companions and doing unrelated things to our mission to make them feel better and know them deeper, do you really think we are going to have a whole new team in Mass effect 3 just because many of our companions could have died in the Suicide Mission? Sorry but that is plain stupid, we may have that sniper guy from the trailer and one or two more but the majority of the ME2 team will be in ME3 with less chat, and I'm convinced that all LI from both games will be on ME3. ME3 is about fighting the reapers recruiting armies not about recruiting a whole new team to beat them on a dangerous suicide mission.

I really don't understand where people are coming from with comments like this. Shep recruits the squad in ME2 to fight the Collectors as part of what may be a Suicide Mission. They are not being recruited to fight the Reapers. You are preparing the crew for the SM - that is accomplished at the end of the game. ME3 will not be an expansion of ME2. It will be an entirely new game with a new story to tell. Bioware loves making new characters and using them to explore the universe they've created. I can only hope that we get a mostly new squad in the next game.

Look at ME1 - we recruit a team of 6 squad members mostly by accident. Ash is picked up on Eden Prime, and the others (excepting Liara) join on the Citadel (the next place you go). Their "recruitement" is tied into the story. ME3 is likely to follow a similar trajectory. This might not be popular to say, but I'm not sure than any ME2 squaddies will return as such in ME3.

[Almostfaceman]

Lvl20DM wrote...

darkiddd wrote...

We spent all the game recruiting companions and doing unrelated things to our mission to make them feel better and know them deeper, do you really think we are going to have a whole new team in Mass effect 3 just because many of our companions could have died in the Suicide Mission? Sorry but that is plain stupid, we may have that sniper guy from the trailer and one or two more but the majority of the ME2 team will be in ME3 with less chat, and I'm convinced that all LI from both games will be on ME3. ME3 is about fighting the reapers recruiting armies not about recruiting a whole new team to beat them on a dangerous suicide mission.

I really don't understand where people are coming from with comments like this. Shep recruits the squad in ME2 to fight the Collectors as part of what may be a Suicide Mission. They are not being recruited to fight the Reapers. You are preparing the crew for the SM - that is accomplished at the end of the game. ME3 will not be an expansion of ME2. It will be an entirely new game with a new story to tell. Bioware loves making new characters and using them to explore the universe they've created. I can only hope that we get a mostly new squad in the next game.

Look at ME1 - we recruit a team of 6 squad members mostly by accident. Ash is picked up on Eden Prime, and the others (excepting Liara) join on the Citadel (the next place you go). Their "recruitement" is tied into the story. ME3 is likely to follow a similar trajectory. This might not be popular to say, but I'm not sure than any ME2 squaddies will return as such in ME3.

I think you're forgetting that Bioware repeatedly says this is not like DA - where there are sequels that don't create one large story.  Mass Effect is three parts of a whole.  They say this over and over again.

It's interesting you say we're not going to see the ME2 squaddies because Bioware had a choice at the end of ME2.  They could have shown a cut-scene where some of your squaddies (say, Jack and Samara) fly off to go on and be their independent selves.

But they didn't.

Instead, we get a cut scene showing them nodding to you, working on your ship and giving you props as you go over data on Harbinger.

My point of view is based on what the devs have said.  I'll even follow a little of their "logic."

Dev logic - keep VS alive - thus rewarding the choice you made in the ME1 game - so you can see the consequences of "X" VS being alive in ME3.  So, right there, the devs have said they honor my VS choice and they're going to play out its consequences in ME3.

So, since I went through all the trouble to assemble my team, do their loyalty missions, and assign them to the right tasks in the SM, I can reasonably expect the dev team to follow the same logic they made with my VS choice and give me consequences in ME3.

What I expect from ME3, is that I'm going to end up with a combination of squaddies.  Probably the VS, probably some from the SM, and probably one or two new one's.  This is the logic they followed in ME2, and they're even less constrained in ME3 (or that's how the devs describe it). 

That's the magic of computers - you can build a story and place variables in it.  ME2 flexed it's choice muscles with just how much you could affect the outcome of your SM, and we all expect them to push that envelope even further with ME3. 
Bioware has shown - through the original ME1 squad members - that they're not taking the "easy way out" and ignoring the variables you create in ME1 by tossing those squad members aside and creating new ones for ME2.

Let's see, there's the VS (as I've mentioned before).  That's one, and the devs have specifically said they're going to play a big part of ME3.

Then there's Garrus. The "easy way out" would be to not have him join the squad at all, and have him join a merc band or die in a bus accident - all "off camera" - us informed by an email or galactic news snippet.  Instead, they give him a ton of lines, and the ability to survive the SM.

Then there's Tali.  The "easy way out" would be not to have her join the squad and you maybe hear a news blurb about her and the quarian fleet on galactic news.  Instead, they give her a ton of lines and the ability to survive the SM.

Then there's Liara.  Again, she could be not given any lines at all - this would be the easy route - and we could read about her in some email or something.  No, they make a whole DLC starring her and she becomes the Shadow Broker, a great intel asset for ME3 AND you can continue a romance if you started one in ME1.

Then there's Wrex.  Wrex can't die if you didn't kill him in ME1, and he is put in a position to lead a Krogan army for you in ME3.  Again, the easy way out would be to give him no lines and no impact on the future of the story at all.

So there you have it, a whole bunch of programming, scripting, voice acting - a whole lot of time, work and effort into continuing the story with squadmates we were familiar with in ME1 and some people say Bioware wants to take "the easy way out".

Yeah, I haven't seen them do it in ME2, so I'm not expecting it in ME3.

[Khajiin]

Its always the same, i bet after Mass Effect 1 the didnt want new companions because they wanted to keep the old ones.
It's alwas the same ..

[Wittand25]

Almostfaceman wrote...

What ? They took the easiest way out possible in ME2. Tali and Garrus completely forget what happened between them and Shepard in ME1. Kaidan and Ashley merged into a single entity with three lines of text. And pre Lostb Liara had hardly more lines and one quest.
Not a single of the mortal NPCs came back as squad-mate and even the immortal Liara got reduced to a small cameo. The only two who did come back are the two that can not be killed in ME1. Following that logic the only two on board of the Normandy that will return are Joker and EDI because the others can be killed.

In fact the conversations you have with your team members in ME2 make it clear that they are only with you until the suicide mission (Samara,..) do not have much time left and join the mission because they will die soon anyway (Thane, Mordin, ..) or point out that they will leave you eventually (even an exiled Tali will point out that the Flotilla can call an exiled back should it need them and she would go if the Flotilla called).

The only reason why half the team does not abandon Shepard at the end of ME2 is that Bioware wanted to sell DLC and you need at least two team members to play most of that (This is also the reason why you need a minimum of two surviving team members to win the suicide mission) ME3 has nothing to do with that.

You should not expect that the influence of ME2 on the available squad mates in ME3 is any bigger than in the case of DA2. Depending on who survived you will get access to different side-quest and you will get special dialog for the romances. But a companion is too much work to make it depend on an import. Spending resources on companions who will not even be in everyone's game is simply a waste of resources. And I believe that they are smart wenough not to waste resources on an feature that will not satisfy even the character fans anyway since for every returning companion a "Bioware you s*** and ruined this NPC, who was my favourite in ME2" thread is guarantied.

[Someone With Mass]

Give me one good and legitimate reason why I should accept new teammates.

[Almostfaceman]

Wittand25 wrote...

Almostfaceman wrote...

What ? They took the easiest way out possible in ME2. Tali and Garrus completely forget what happened between them and Shepard in ME1. Kaidan and Ashley merged into a single entity with three lines of text. And pre Lostb Liara had hardly more lines and one quest.
Not a single of the mortal NPCs came back as squad-mate and even the immortal Liara got reduced to a small cameo. The only two who did come back are the two that can not be killed in ME1. Following that logic the only two on board of the Normandy that will return are Joker and EDI because the others can be killed.

In fact the conversations you have with your team members in ME2 make it clear that they are only with you until the suicide mission (Samara,..) do not have much time left and join the mission because they will die soon anyway (Thane, Mordin, ..) or point out that they will leave you eventually (even an exiled Tali will point out that the Flotilla can call an exiled back should it need them and she would go if the Flotilla called).

The only reason why half the team does not abandon Shepard at the end of ME2 is that Bioware wanted to sell DLC and you need at least two team members to play most of that (This is also the reason why you need a minimum of two surviving team members to win the suicide mission) ME3 has nothing to do with that.

You should not expect that the influence of ME2 on the available squad mates in ME3 is any bigger than in the case of DA2. Depending on who survived you will get access to different side-quest and you will get special dialog for the romances. But a companion is too much work to make it depend on an import. Spending resources on companions who will not even be in everyone's game is simply a waste of resources. And I believe that they are smart wenough not to waste resources on an feature that will not satisfy even the character fans anyway since for every returning companion a "Bioware you s*** and ruined this NPC, who was my favourite in ME2" thread is guarantied.

Obviously the easiest way out possible is what "I" said.  Not what you state here. 

[Wittand25]

Someone With Mass wrote...

Give me one good and legitimate reason why I should accept new teammates.

A new point of view.
The chance to meet someone new and learn about them

And most important:
You won´t have another choice really, unless you decide to not playing ME3 (Or and that is about as likely as me becoming pope, Bioware really manages to bring all NPCs back in a way that does not upset 90% of potential buyers for one reason or another)

[Almostfaceman]

Wittand25 wrote...

Almostfaceman wrote...

What ? They took the easiest way out possible in ME2. Tali and Garrus completely forget what happened between them and Shepard in ME1. Kaidan and Ashley merged into a single entity with three lines of text. And pre Lostb Liara had hardly more lines and one quest.
Not a single of the mortal NPCs came back as squad-mate and even the immortal Liara got reduced to a small cameo. The only two who did come back are the two that can not be killed in ME1. Following that logic the only two on board of the Normandy that will return are Joker and EDI because the others can be killed.

In fact the conversations you have with your team members in ME2 make it clear that they are only with you until the suicide mission (Samara,..) do not have much time left and join the mission because they will die soon anyway (Thane, Mordin, ..) or point out that they will leave you eventually (even an exiled Tali will point out that the Flotilla can call an exiled back should it need them and she would go if the Flotilla called).

The only reason why half the team does not abandon Shepard at the end of ME2 is that Bioware wanted to sell DLC and you need at least two team members to play most of that (This is also the reason why you need a minimum of two surviving team members to win the suicide mission) ME3 has nothing to do with that.

You should not expect that the influence of ME2 on the available squad mates in ME3 is any bigger than in the case of DA2. Depending on who survived you will get access to different side-quest and you will get special dialog for the romances. But a companion is too much work to make it depend on an import. Spending resources on companions who will not even be in everyone's game is simply a waste of resources. And I believe that they are smart wenough not to waste resources on an feature that will not satisfy even the character fans anyway since for every returning companion a "Bioware you s*** and ruined this NPC, who was my favourite in ME2" thread is guarantied.

If you are a Paragon, and you fulfill all the dialogue's with Samara, she clearly tells you she will be there for you if you ask.

The plot leaves an opening for Thane's survival - hanar doctors are working on the problem.

Jack can become a romance, thus her initial reasons for only staying a while disappear.  Same with Tali.  Same with Garrus.  These are called variables.  They affect the story.  The story can change and morph.  That's the whole point of Mass Effect.

Grunt says you're his battlemaster - he's not going anywhere until you defeat or are killed by the Reapers.

Garrus, even if he's not a romance, is your "bud".  You've saved his life.  He has no reason to leave.

Zaeed - yeah he can go his own way with no problem - he's hardly a totally fleshed out character.  Same with Kasumi.

Legion's mission parameters align with yours - the defeat of the Old Machines.  I don't see him going anywhere.

Tali, if she's not romanced, is still a very close friend.  You save her from being exiled from treason and/or give her safe harbor if she is found guilty of treason.

Liara - you totally ducked my point on her - she's the Shadow Broker working for us now, and on top of that she may also be your girlfriend.  She becomes a squaddie for part of the ME2 story.  Heck the Shadow Broker base becomes another base of operations for Shepard.

These are all legitimate reason's for ME2 squad members to "stay" for ME3 when certain variables are met.  That Bioware went to all the trouble to create these variables is to me a strong indicator that these ME2 squaddies are going to be squaddie's in ME3.

Edit: roflmao I totally forgot about Miranda and Jacob.  

Miranda can become a romance and she can quit Cerberus - two reasons (variables) to stay on into ME3

Jacob can become a romance and they don't seem to mind that you "told the boss I quit" by blowing up the base - not sure what they say if you don't blow up the base but I haven't read anywhere that they're off for another Cerberus assignment.  After all, both of their jobs is to defeat the Reapers.  They've got you and the new Normandy to continue helping them with that.

Modifié par Almostfaceman, 25 mars 2011 - 07:03 .

[Elite Midget]

http://social.biowar...5/index/6766006

Education is a worthy asset but it only benefits those that wish to learn.

[Almostfaceman]

Elite Midget wrote...

http://social.biowar...05/index/676600

Education is a worthy asset but it only benefits those that wish to learn.

There was no reason to start a new thread.  This one was easy to find. 

[Commander C1]

i will definetly buy the special,ultimate or whatever version of ME3

btw 3 new squadmates and thts all IM saying

[Elite Midget]

This thread is cluttered and my information would get lost.

Would rather have the information easy to find so I don't have to keep bringing it back up over and over again. Really getting quite tiresome that many still demand of me to. Whatever the case the Thread is there and I'm dissapointed thusfar over how no one is reading it outside of the Death Variable.

[Almostfaceman]

Elite Midget wrote...

This thread is cluttered and my information would get lost.

Would rather have the information easy to find so I don't have to keep bringing it back up over and over again. Really getting quite tiresome that many still demand of me to. Whatever the case the Thread is there and I'm dissapointed thusfar over how no one is reading it outside of the Death Variable.

Well, board participation is a voluntary thing, so nothing is being "demanded" of you if that makes you feel less stressed out.