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[noxsachi]

Personally I'd prefer to continue with Hawke, I felt much closer to her than my Warden. Not that I wouldn't love the Warden to come back in some way, but I really hate the Grey Warden organization. My Warden basically only became a Grey Warden because the game said but thou must, she ignored all their precepts of neutrality and became involved with politics and basically didn't care about the wardens beyond saving her home. I think it'd be too hard to carry over peoples notions of how their warden should react so that anything beyond a brief cameo would be kinda fail.

I do want Hawke to come back though, along with Origins companions. Dwarf Shale, Leliana, Alistair (though its hard to imagine what kind of excuse the king would have to go adventuring), along with Cassandra and Varric for sure.

[Gerrium]

It pretty clear when you play DA:O, it is explained what it takes to be a warden and is not to kill the archdemon alone. Wardens are the people who set the example of what is a selfless, honor bound, righteous and benevolent person. They dont get in political affairs unless its imperative and theres no other option, they are kind of like jedis but with an expiration date and no force (unless your a mage warden).

So, really a Warden's story is never done....

He should come back, trying to set things right with the circle, the order and Orlais. This time however, with the appearance of more gray wardens.

[allankles]

 The Warden isn't coming back, sorry. Grey Wardens are only important or critical in the event of a Dark Spawn invasion. Outside of Blight related issues and clearing up the Deep Roads, Grey Wardens have no political siginificance.

DA 3 will be about the rise in tensions over the Mage vs Chantry struggle and likely the Qun will be another player. I think the Chantry's day of reconing is near, and the political situation in Thedas is in for a radical change after the flood gates were opened in Kirkwall.

My Couslan Warden was cool, but outside of Ferelden and the Blight he has no impact. Hawke is a more important, or at least a polarizing figure since their actions have challenged the status quo on the continent.

[EDarkness]

So, really a Warden's story is never done....

This is entirely true. I think that the Grey Wardens as a group aren't going to get involved in things that don't concern the darkspawn and the Blight. However, I think what set the PC Warden apart from others is that he really didn't have much choice to become a Warden, and so his loyalties aren't really with the Wardens specifically. He's a Warden (the same as Anders, Alistair, etc.), but he's not really a Warden at the same time. Which means, with his status he can pretty much get involved in anything he wants, even become king (or queen). He uses the Warden title to sidestep the crap and if the world was really in trouble, you can bet SOMEONE would be going to get him to help solve the problem. Much like how Leliana is looking for the Warden in DA2, even though they have Hawke as well. With that in mind, the Warden could easily be a PC again. Which I think would be awesome and make the most sense.

[Alexander1136]

EDarkness wrote...

I don't know about anyone else, but I really enjoyed playing my Warden in Dragon Age 1.  It's nice to have a character like Hawke and while he's pretty cool in his own right, I feel like it's time for my Warden to step in and put things right.  I would love to see my Warden in the new system with a voice and the faster combat.  I would even be fine reimagining what my Warden looked like as well as his voice as long as I could finish his story and ultimately be the mediating figure in the fight between the Templars and Mages.  I don't want to see him go the way of Darth Revan in Knights of the Old Republic.

The way I always pictured the Warden was that he/she was a problem solver, and someone to turn to when no one else could get the job done.  Not only that, but it seems to me he/she would be the best person to wrap up this situation with Flemeth, Morrigan, and the demon baby.  Also, Anders and Justice were partly my Warden's responsibility and it seems fair that he/she step in and put things right again.

I like Hawke, too.  He's cool, but ultimately, I'd really like to see the Warden return and be playable.  It doesn't matter to me if Bioware has to retcon a couple of things.  It's not like they haven't done that before. 

agreed

[Scnew]

I don't really want the Warden back. Ferelden's already saved, there isn't going to be another Blight any time soon. We don't really need a Grey Warden. Plus, the Warden, even if he's still alive, has already killed an Archdemon, a high dragon, Flemeth, abominations, blood mages, demons, Antivan Crows, etc. What is left to challenge him? Commander Shepherd starting a new game at a low level is okay because all he's doing is shooting at people who also have the same deadly weapons, so it doesn't really break the story. But my mage Warden being threatened by just about anything after surviving Origins and Awakening would just be silly. By whatever time period DA3 takes place in, he should be able to magically summon tactical nuclear strikes or something.

But don't bring Hawke back, either. Let other characters be the hero for other games. Thedas is a whole world, more then one or two people should be able to do something major. Give me the same world, give me some references and cameos to my old heroes, but give me someone new every time.

I liken it to the Star Wars novels, which I read because I am a complete nerd. They have a whole galaxy full of problems, and guess who always solves 'em? Someone named Skywalker or Solo, every time. I want to avoid that in Dragon Age. I'd like it if every major crisis that occurs during the entire Dragon Age wasn't solved by one or two Fereldans. In a similar way, I'd like for Mass Effect to continue as a setting and as a series after ME3, but would be completely fine if Shepherd's story is over.

Start DA3 with someone new, preferably someone who can possibly have multiple races and backgrounds like in Origins.

[Vhalkyrie]

If you got the quest with Nathaniel Howe, he hints at something important in the Deep Roads that Bartrand's expedition found. It was sanctioned by the First Warden. It sounded to me they were opening a story thread for the Warden to make a reappearance. Also, the epilogue where Leliana says the Warden and Champion are both missing, and it is no coincidence.

[EDarkness]

I really hope they don't introduce a new main character. If they want to do that sort of thing, then they can just make side stories that don't really affect the overall narrative. The numbered games should stick to one or two protagonists and continue their story until the end. It'll be easier for them to craft a story using characters people know and love.

[Scnew]

EDarkness wrote...
It'll be easier for them to craft a story using characters people know and love.

How? What can the Warden possibly face that will be a terrible threat to him when he's already killed an Archdemon? Oh no! An Archierdemon!!!

Modifié par Scnew, 28 mars 2011 - 05:19 .

[KAAurious]

Scnew wrote...

EDarkness wrote...
It'll be easier for them to craft a story using characters people know and love.

How? What can the Warden possibly face that will be a terrible threat to him when he's already killed an Archdemon? Oh no! An Archierdemon!!!

Morrigan will divorce him and he'll have to pay child support.

[EDarkness]

Scnew wrote...

EDarkness wrote...
It'll be easier for them to craft a story using characters people know and love.

How? What can the Warden possibly face that will be a terrible threat to him when he's already killed an Archdemon? Oh no! An Archierdemon!!!

That's easy.  Things that don't concern killing a large dragon.  There's a lot of political intrigue going on and he could (and would) be called in to put this mage/templar/chantry conflict back in order.  It would take some political manuvering and maybe some assassinations to solve, but that's something The Warden wouldn't have a problem with (at least my Warden wouldn't).  Also, this issue with Flemeth could be the ultimate showdown after all the smoke clears.  Not everything needs to be killed to be a challenge.  Based on DA2, there is something else brewing that the Warden can tackle.  Besides, it's not just about danger to the Warden directly, it's about his/her family, friends, and the world as he/she knows it that is in trouble.  He/she would do it for their sake more than their own.

[Nobody Important]

I have a feeling another blight is going to occur during Dragon Age 3. All the warden stuff in awakening(especially the orlesian warden ending which says another blight is coming) and DA2 seems to be pointing to it. Wouldn't be surprised if the remaining two archdemons show up at the same time. I won't mind playing the warden again. Just don't make us play as Hawke I felt absolute zero connection. Warden or new character is my vote.

Modifié par Nobody Important, 28 mars 2011 - 05:47 .

[Vicious]

If you got the quest with Nathaniel Howe, he hints at something important in the Deep Roads that Bartrand's expedition found. It was sanctioned by the First Warden

Not really, just that Hawke went farther into the deep roads than anyone's EVER recorded to be and the first Warden sent Nathaniel to see wtf was down there.

Really, the biggest thing about the Primeval Thaig was the complete lack of Darkspawn. Worth investigating.

No implications the Warden would show up, though.

[Critical Miss]

I couldn't care less about my warden. She was a super hero above the law and that has been done to death.

[EDarkness]

Critical Miss wrote...

I couldn't care less about my warden. She was a super hero above the law and that has been done to death.

Pretty much all of our Bioware characters were above the law...even Hawke.  Not sure why that would matter in a game.

[What?]

I don't get all this talk about Wardens only being important in Blights. If you bothered to talk to Wynne, she said something along the lines of Wardens were for serving people, even outside of Blights. Like the Thedas Interpol. Also, regarding the Grey Wardens in DA2... No Blight, but Stroud (Or Alistair) said there were important matters--even more than Hawke's plight--to be attended to. I think that's a pretty strong implication they do things outside of killing Archdemons and Darkspawn.

Modifié par VictorianTrash, 28 mars 2011 - 09:17 .

[Hellrazer3600]

I felt like more of a badass playing a Grey Warden then Hawke.

[The Angry One]

Critical Miss wrote...

I couldn't care less about my warden. She was a super hero above the law and that has been done to death.

You should play mage Hawke, you have Meredith repeatedly telling you you're above the law in act 3.

[Caja]

Jackel159357 wrote...
Hawke felt too much like a customizable companion to me. When i played the warden i felt much more like he was my own character.

This.

Personally, I felt much more attached to my warden. More of my imagination went into that character than into Hawke. And there are a lot of questions left open, so I believe that there is still great potential for a story that involves the warden.

I agree that it will be tricky if the warden gets voiced and that there are always people who won't be happy with a voiced warden, but still, it could be done. I actually prefer a (more or less) mute main character, but that's just me. And since the voiced Hawke seems to be popular, it would feel like a step backwards not to voice the maincharacter of DA 3. So, tricky, yes, but doable.

EddySpeddy wrote...
Well here's to hoping that they make it so you can choose whether you want your Warden or Hawke to be the main character in a sequel xD

Also, this.

I brought it up in another thread: Since the warden is dead for some players, it would be awesome if one could choose in DA 3 between Hawke, the warden or an entirely new character. Another alternative could be to import the Orlesian from Awakening instead of the warden. And since I believe that Orlais will play an important part in Dragon Age this would actually make sense. The characters could all start on a higher level, let's say level 30 - 35.

It was possible to do something like that in BG 2 and you could even have members of your old party, such as Imoen or Jaheira. So, this has been done before.
Also, in this way the developers could create three or four different origins for the game, which would increase the motivation to play it again. The main story arch could still be the same for each character and just differ slightly based on the choices you make. Furthermore I think it's not a coincidence that the warden AND Hawke go missing at the end of DA 2. The connection is already there . That said I don't think the story of Dragon Age 3 would involve darkspawns. It would probably be centred on:
- the templar/mage conflict
- whatever Morrigan was talking about at the end of Witch Hunt
- whatever Flemeth is up to (though I think Flemeth's and Morrigan's goals are connected)
- a possible war with Orlais

OR the warden and Hawke, work together in DA 3, e.g. one of them becomes a main character, the other one a companion. However, I like this idea less, because the companion wouldn't be your character anymore and would be 'altered' by Bioware.

Persephone wrote...
I'd like to continue my Warden's and my Hawke's story. Maybe a game divided into acts where they act as protagonists for different acts, each decision having an impact on what the other will face? Just thinking out loud here.

Though I think this is an interesting idea (which I like), I also believe that it *could* be distracting and that the leitmotif could suffer. On the other hand, if this is well executed this really could be a great story.

Modifié par Caja, 28 mars 2011 - 01:58 .

[MadMoskus]

Perfect idea, Caja! People can use Hawke as much as they'd like, as long as I can have my warden! <3

[DarthManwe]

Hell, I would be more than ecstatic if Mark Meer would do male Warden(Shepard's voice). The penultimate bad-ass voice of all time. Besides, Shepard and Warden, no matter the gender, is a lot like carbon copies across different universes.

Hawke is really almost like a side character. That guy who is awesome and did awesome things, but in the end, Warden would kick his/her ass all over Thedas.

But you know what? I want an entirely new main for DA3. And IF we did the ritual, this could be god-child. If we did not, I'm sure bioware writers can come with an awesomeness explanation. Because both Hawke and Warden started out as normal.

I want a main char where awesomeness is branded into genes themselves. Kinda like Darth Revan.

Darth Revan was the BEST main char in Bioware games, IMO.

[Dussan2]

I want someone new. Though I'm liking the idea of just starting out with either The Warden or Hawk or someone new in the next game.

[Oswin]

I'd love to have my warden back. She felt like more of my character than Hawke does. Although I do like Hawke as well.
In an ideal world I'd have DA3 split into two playable stories that come together at the end of both Hawke and the Warden.

I would not be too happy to have a new character at this point, what with the open ending of both Hawke and the Warden being missing. I'd feel a bit cheated if this was then explored as a sidenote in the journey of a new character.

[Rawgrim]

I would like a new character, deffinatly. Starting off as a level 30 character at the beginning of DA3, won`t be cool.

[PPR223]

I'd prefer to play the Warden, especially when Morrigan, Leliana and Flemeth could all be major characters in the next game. It will just make the story feel alot deeper, than just playing another person, who is perhaps saved by Flemeth again.

I have read a few people saying that it would be weird starting at level one again, but don't the enemies scale with you? It is no problem in my opinion, afterall gameplay can say one thing and the story says another. This happens alot, for example in a fight it can look like your winning easily, however the story will state that your being overrun.

Even though the Warden wouldn't start at a high level, with all skills unlocked, he will be revered as a great warrior in the story. As you can see, the gameplay says one thing and the story another.

Hawke was a good character, however he has hardly any connection with Flemeth and none with Morrigan and Leliana, unless you have Sebastian DLC. A new character would be the worst option by far, I wouldn't want to see another hero come out of nowhere.