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[The Angry One]

Morrigan's kid was referred to as a "he" in Witch Hunt I think.
Can't be the main character then, which is always a he or a she.

... then again they could just retcon that.
But! BioWare aren't so creatively bankrupt as to have us play a Bhaalspawn again.

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I hope.

[Nukenin]

DA3 will feature the Warden in the initial scene, if she or he remained alive at the end of DA:O, based on imported data from a DA:O/DA:A game, or a DA2 game. They will be standing proudly atop a ledge (similar to Duncan at the onset of DA:O), staring off into the distance. The Warden will have his or her helm if applicable and suitable cupped to one side, otherwise will not have headgear, thus enabling a nice closeup of the face the player carefully sculpted in their DA:O game. It will be a magnificent visual. Their love interest (if still living) will be at their side, along with an escort if one or both are royalty.

The scene will be magnificent, the Hero of Ferelden in Heroic (of Ferelden) pose.

Then there will be a harsh rending sound and a cascade of blood and gore will shower the camera, followed by the decapitated head of the Warden flying to the ground then rolling until the magnificent dead face fills the screen then continues to roll out of view, revealing the toppling form of the Warden, and Oghren behind, with his axe dripping the Warden's blood.

Since the Warden won't have time to cry out, no voice acting needed. Everyone's happy!

Either that or hire a bevy of voice actors to record the surprised grunt and cry as the Warden trips up on a bar of soap. For the scream as he or she goes flying off the balcony to be impaled on the Hero of Ferelden statue below, they can just use the Wilhelm scream.

Either way, Warden appears in a cameo, Warden dies in either dramatic or humorous fashion. Everyone wins!

[Alexein]

There will always be haters and complainers. Do the number of people that will complain about a voiced warden exceed the number that don't?

To say "someone will complain" isn't really a valid reason to stop something because someone will complain about anything.

I'm pretty sure someone is out there complaining the warden is *not* voiced in DAO.

[EDarkness]

Either way, Warden appears in a cameo, Warden dies in either dramatic or humorous fashion. Everyone wins!

I don't think so. My guess is that there would be more angry people than anything else...including myself.

[Downtown1]

Yeah, please bring back the Warden... or his son. Playing a customizable companion is not as fun.

[Novv]

Noatz wrote...

You feel like recording an entire games worth of dialogue for every single origin/gender combination?

I would much rather Bioware record one male and one female voice for the warden for all races, then to not have him at all for DA3. After all, if they can do it for Hawke, why not the warden.

[JediHealerCosmin]

Novv wrote...

Noatz wrote...

You feel like recording an entire games worth of dialogue for every single origin/gender combination?

I would much rather Bioware record one male and one female voice for the warden for all races, then to not have him at all for DA3. After all, if they can do it for Hawke, why not the warden.

I agree. I hope they bring him/her back, or at least give us the option of playing as different races at least.

Besides, I really don't want to play as some Orlesian 

[Zan Mura]

I loved my Warden too. But to be blunt and short, I don't think skipping one game and then bringing her back in DA3 would work. Or, to be more precise, it would probably work just fine, but having a completely new protagonist or even continuing with Hawke since she was the last character we played with, would likely work much better.

I just think it's too late for the Warden.

But I would definitely like some of that epicness back. I always loved that whole "chosen one" theme in BW games. Even if DA was a step away from it, being a Grey Warden still made you special. Whether it's being a Godchild, an epic Jedi / Sith master, a Spirit Monk or a Spectre, I want my protagonist to belong to some special unit or whatever. Something that has access and motivation to partake in events and fight with stakes normal people aren't even vaguely aware of.

My own life is ordinary enough, I don't need my entertainment ordinary too.

[Bayz]

I will get annoyed having to play the Warden or Hawke from level 1 in DA3 again...and I will get annoyed if I can play the with the levels I left them in their respective games from the very beguinning.

No I would definetely prefer to have another brand new character in a brand new history happening sometime during Hawke's rise to power or even during the events of change.

Zan Mura wrote...

But I would definitely like some of that epicness back. I always loved that whole "chosen one" theme in BW games. Even if DA was a step away from it, being a Grey Warden still made you special. Whether it's being a Godchild, an epic Jedi / Sith master, a Spirit Monk or a Spectre, I want my protagonist to belong to some special unit or whatever. Something that has access and motivation to partake in events and fight with stakes normal people aren't even vaguely aware of.

My own life is ordinary enough, I don't need my entertainment ordinary too.

Well you don't need to belong to an special group to be "special"...just like the G-Man said in Half Life 2 to Freeman, "The right man in the wrong place"

[Zan Mura]

Bayz wrote...

Well you don't need to belong to an special group to be "special"...just like the G-Man said in Half Life 2 to Freeman, "The right man in the wrong place"

Well yes I do. It's a device that works, so why not use it? It creates a purpose and binds you to the story. Because to be honest, just being that lone wolf independent dude in the right place at the wrong time to me seems a LOT more overused, than being a member of some cool and rare organization.

Maybe that's just a fantasy literature and PnP RPG fan's point of view, but the most common story imaginable to me is the hero who lost everything, has no ties to anything at all, and can just do whatever they want because they don't "belong" anywhere. Whether that anywhere is a place or a group or a cause. Even though ME2 was superior to ME in pretty much every single aspect, the whole Cerberus thing wasn't nearly as attractive and as powerful to me as being a Spectre that *actually* worked directly for the galactic Council.

Can't argue opinions.

[bztang]

If the Warden is to return in DA3 and needs a voice actress then I have a solution: BioWare must hire Jennifer Hale to be the female voice for the Warden, and get her to say: "I'm the Hero of Ferelden and this is my favorite tavern/merchant in Thedas". And be able to punch annoying characters in the face. I'd pay 60 bucks for that, who cares what's in the rest of the game!!

Modifié par bztang, 01 avril 2011 - 09:42 .

[GodWood]

I just want another silent protaganist.

[JediHealerCosmin]

GodWood wrote...

I just want another silent protaganist.

I really wouldn't mind that. Although I don't think that's "mainstream" enough for EA's taste 

[Bayz]

Zan Mura wrote...

Bayz wrote...

Well you don't need to belong to an special group to be "special"...just like the G-Man said in Half Life 2 to Freeman, "The right man in the wrong place"

Well yes I do. It's a device that works, so why not use it? It creates a purpose and binds you to the story. Because to be honest, just being that lone wolf independent dude in the right place at the wrong time to me seems a LOT more overused, than being a member of some cool and rare organization.
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Maybe that's just a fantasy literature and PnP RPG fan's point of view, but the most common story imaginable to me is the hero who lost everything, has no ties to anything at all, and can just do whatever they want because they don't "belong" anywhere. Whether that anywhere is a place or a group or a cause. Even though ME2 was superior to ME in pretty much every single aspect, the whole Cerberus thing wasn't nearly as attractive and as powerful to me as being a Spectre that *actually* worked directly for the galactic Council.

Can't argue opinions.

It's a fair point and obviously dependant of the players PoV. I tend to think in the organization bits that its like saying the character did it because he was a Warden\\Jedi\\Space Marine rather than because of the character him\\herself. Said that I'm also against the "predestination" bit of "chosen by the Gods" many many many games have, I guess is why I just prefer to think on the characters as "lucky enough to get to bad ass point before dying miserably" than any other stuff.

Was debating not arguing I do not expect to change anybody's point of view although I'm interested in expanding my own as well as having a better understanding of other people's PoV.

[Zan Mura]

Bayz wrote...

Said that I'm also against the "predestination" bit of "chosen by the Gods" many many many games have, I guess is why I just prefer to think on the characters as "lucky enough to get to bad ass point before dying miserably" than any other stuff.

True enough. I hadn't even thought about it but yes there are exceptions to me as well. Consider Pitch Black vs. The Chronicles of Riddick. There the situation is completely reversed. I absolutely *loved* Pitch Black because there was absolutely nothing divine or destined bout Riddick. He was just badass, it was all him. All "earned through hard work, a pack of Menthol cools and some serious kickass attitude". Then along comes the sequel that slaps you in the face and says "it wasn't him after all, he's just some 'chosen one' and his whole badassery was just some god-given trait he never earned himself". I honestly hated the sequel for that, even if I grew to like it for the general atmosphere later on.

Another example could be Star Wars. Where at first the Force can be learned through great wisdom and mental strength. Then along comes the prequel-sequel that says it's all genetics and none of the Jedi really earned what they have.

Anyway, yeah I get your side here too. Though to be honest all of the above is a difficult subject anyway, considering that's how real life works: you don't choose your genes, your parents, the environment you grow up in and the education you're given as a child. You don't earn any of it. But... I digress, that's not what this topic is about.

Was debating not arguing [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/tongue.png[/smilie] I do not expect to change anybody's point of view although I'm interested in expanding my own as well as having a better understanding of other people's PoV.

Oh obviously, no need to say that.

Modifié par Zan Mura, 01 avril 2011 - 10:56 .

[EDarkness]

Bayz wrote...

It's a fair point and obviously dependant of the players PoV. I tend to think in the organization bits that its like saying the character did it because he was a WardenJediSpace Marine rather than because of the character himherself. Said that I'm also against the "predestination" bit of "chosen by the Gods" many many many games have, I guess is why I just prefer to think on the characters as "lucky enough to get to bad ass point before dying miserably" than any other stuff.

Was debating not arguing I do not expect to change anybody's point of view although I'm interested in expanding my own as well as having a better understanding of other people's PoV.

My feeling is that it makes more sense for a guy who would be part of what's going on to stand out more than the others.  Especially since that person would have more of an incentive to do so.  Luke Skywalker being a Jedi gives him a sense of responsiblity to do something, same with The Warden.  Just being some guy who just happens to pick up a cause doesn't seem to believeable to me, an that person would have a lot harder time getting anything done.  Which is sort of my problem with Hawke in DA2.  Nothing wrong with the character in general, but he/she doesn't have to make any choices and really doesn't need to get involved in what's going on.  It's like I'm being forced to pick a side in the mage/templar conflict instead of saying "I'm neutral, gonna get my sister and get the hell out."  With The Warden, I have an obligation to do something because as a Grey Warden, it's my duty to get it done.

Ultimately, I do like a little bit of both.  A man with an organization who just happens to be in the right (wrong) place at the right time.  This is why I liked the Warden as a character.  He/she gets drug into something they had no idea about and then they're the only one who can really do anything about it.  Their place in history solidified.  I just think that The Warden has a longer story and by creating some of the problems the world faces today, that character would have a personal obligation to set things right...Blight or no.  Well, at least my Warden would.  Heh, heh.

[EDarkness]

Something I wanted to add to this thread. I just finished playing Leliana's Song and I noticed that it played exactly how the game would have played if The Warden was voiced. The options that were on the screen didn't really match what she ended up saying, but all that said, it can work easily for The Warden in a future game. I thought the combination of the two systems (voice acting and no wheel) was pretty good. No reason it can't be done like that again.

[Parrk]

The warden is a minor hero suited to a far smaller conflict than is likely to be raging in DA3.

I know you guys love your wardens, and I do as well, but it is time to come to grips with the fact that DA2 has set the stage for something far greater than a silly little blight.

[EDarkness]

Parrk wrote...

The warden is a minor hero suited to a far smaller conflict than is likely to be raging in DA3.

I know you guys love your wardens, and I do as well, but it is time to come to grips with the fact that DA2 has set the stage for something far greater than a silly little blight.

I don't think The Warden was a minor hero, and apprently they didn't think so in the game either since the ending pretty much paints the Warden as someone who can help with their current situation.

[BloodyMays]

I dont get why so many people think you need a different voice for every race/gender combo for the Warden. Male and female voice. Simple? (Assuming you even care the Warden has a voice.)

I'm disappointed enough you don't get to see your Warden anywhere physically in DA2. If he isn't the main protagonist of DA3, I reaaaaallly hope he and Hawke are at least present somewhere in the game, and not just referred to.

Seriously, they cant just set the scene at the end of Witch Hunt and Awakening for something so amazing and just forget about it all. I want to be my Warden. I want to see his story through.

Modifié par BloodyMays, 07 avril 2011 - 04:23 .

[PsychoBlonde]

I'm okay with the Warden coming back if he/she is like an eminence gris--you constantly hear secondhand that the Warden (and/or Hawke) was "just here" and "did a bunch of cool stuff, wow!" but they had to leave to go take care of X and there's still a bunch of stuff that needs to be done, here, have a quest.

[Artoz96]

I want Warden back. By the way, warden had no voice but DAO is the most successful game that Bioware ever had (selling).

[Morroian]

Artoz96 wrote...

I want Warden back. By the way, warden had no voice but DAO is the most successful game that Bioware ever had (selling).

You mispelled Mass Effect 2. 6.6m compared to 4.5m.

Modifié par Morroian, 07 avril 2011 - 06:33 .

[Morroian]

BloodyMays wrote...

I dont get why so many people think you need a different voice for every race/gender combo for the Warden. Male and female voice. Simple? (Assuming you even care the Warden has a voice.)

I would think they'd get a lot of complaints if they did this. It gives the impression that there would be no differences between the races.

[BloodyMays]

Morroian wrote...

BloodyMays wrote...

I dont get why so many people think you need a different voice for every race/gender combo for the Warden. Male and female voice. Simple? (Assuming you even care the Warden has a voice.)

I would think they'd get a lot of complaints if they did this. It gives the impression that there would be no differences between the races.

Well, as long as their options and opportunities are still affected by their origin/gender, I dont see how it'd be any different from no voice at all, other than it would cater to the audience that thinks it's so nessesary.