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[Sepewrath]

That is a lot for all the dialogue in the game, so that is unfeasible. I like a story and character that are built together, its not like they couldn't have you play as a race besides a human, they just cant have you being an Elf and picking the next Divine.

[KotorEffect3]

Playing as the warden was fun (I still play DAO all of the time) but his story is over! Besides you are limiting bioware if you always make everything about the warden. Warden's first and primary concern is dealing with the darkspawn, that is the sole reason the order exists is to fight darkspawn (yes we did more than that but everything our warden did was connected back to their fight against darkspawn). The focus of the series has shifted from darkspawn to the politics of Thedas. Now I think that darkspawn and wardens will always be a part of the series and they always should but let's see what else Thedas has to offer. People can say what they want about DA 2 but one thing I am glad they did with it was to shift the focus of the series.

[Brockololly]

KotorEffect3 wrote...
Warden's first and primary concern is dealing with the darkspawn, that is the sole reason the order exists is to fight darkspawn (yes we did more than that but everything our warden did was connected back to their fight against darkspawn). The focus of the series has shifted from darkspawn to the politics of Thedas.

Except for the whole bit about the Wardens gathering more political clout like Awakening, post-Blight or how the Anderfels Wardens are defacto rulers of that country or how Morrigan claims the Wardens at large will be important in whatever **** storm is brewing on the horizon.


And sure, while the darkspawn are the Wardens' primary concern, I seem to recall another recently released game which did pretty well about a person whose primary task is monster killing yet gets heavily involved in politics...hmmmm....now what is the name of that game again?

Modifié par Brockololly, 24 juillet 2011 - 01:51 .

[Macropodmum]

I think that I certainly enjoyed battling darkspawn more as opposed to idiot thugs on every second street corner in Kirkwall.

[TheBlackBaron]

Macropodmum wrote...

I think that I certainly enjoyed battling darkspawn more as opposed to idiot thugs on every second street corner in Kirkwall.

[KotorEffect3]

Macropodmum wrote...

I think that I certainly enjoyed battling darkspawn more as opposed to idiot thugs on every second street corner in Kirkwall.

That has more to do with writing and execution than the concept of who the next protaganist should be.  I will never say DA 2 is as good as DAO.  In my opinion DAO is the superior game but it is superior because of content and execution (as well as numerous other reasons)   You don't necessarily need to be a warden to reach that level of quality again.  Personaly I hope bioware doesn't limit what they do in the future when it comes to potential protaginists because some fans can't let go of their wardens.

[KotorEffect3]

Brockololly wrote...


And sure, while the darkspawn are the Wardens' primary concern, I seem to recall another recently released game which did pretty well about a person whose primary task is monster killing yet gets heavily involved in politics...hmmmm....now what is the name of that game again?

Doesn't matter what that game is we are talking about Dragon Age here.

[Macropodmum]

It wasn't necessarily a matter of wanting my warden back, I'm not sure why it was more satisfying, all I know is that I looked forward to the darkspawn battles, whereas the thugs in the street just made me feel like "Ugh, this again". I agree that DAO was written much better than DA2 but I think the combat system is much better in DA2.

[Sepewrath]

There is a lot of things this series could cover, we've already seen a Blight, there's not much more the Darkspawn can do that wouldn't just turn into another Blight. So I think the series would held back a lot by simply focusing on the Wardens and Darkspawn. There are several countries and groups in Thedas with their own stories, that should be ignored to fight Darkspawn...again?

[riveraeg]

I don't understard how you can say that the Warden story is over when you have more loose ends than DA2. 

I still feel the big mystery of DAO was not the blight but it seemmed to me that the blight was the catalyst for Flemeth/Morrigan plans.  

I still feel is the Warden job to deal with Flemeth and or Morrigan since whatever they are doing will involve the old gods. ( I still Morrigan got into the Golden City and Warden by stabbing or not stopping her is dealing with the consequences.

That is why I want to see the Warden in DA3. I like that plot more than the Mages vs. Templars, I hope that they combine both in some way, but right now I did not like the direction they took DA2, I don't have an issue with Hawke, but it felt more like a side story than a continuation.

I felt with less mystery in DA2 than I did at the end of Origins and the DLC.

Modifié par riveraeg, 24 juillet 2011 - 05:30 .

[Andraste_Reborn]

I don't want my Warden(s) back. They're way too busy ruling Ferelden, running the Antivan Crows, enjoying Paragon status, raising the God Baby with Morrigan and being dead.

I mean, hasn't the Warden, whoever they are, done enough for Thedas after ending the Blight, destroying the Mother and solving everyone's corpse gall shortage problems along the way? I'd like the Warden's mysterious disappearance resolved at some point (for the Wardens who haven't disappeared mysteriously through the Eluvian, anyway) but I don't want those characters back as protagonists.

Modifié par Andrastee, 24 juillet 2011 - 09:54 .

[Macropodmum]

Andrastee wrote...

I don't want my Warden(s) back. They're way too busy ruling Ferelden, running the Antivan Crows, enjoying Paragon status, raising the God Baby with Morrigan and being dead.

I mean, hasn't the Warden, whoever they are, done enough for Thedas after ending the Blight, destroying the Mother and solving everyone's corpse gall shortage problems along the way? I'd like the Warden's mysterious disappearance resolved at some point (for the Wardens who haven't disappeared mysteriously through the Eluvian, anyway) but I don't want those characters back as protagonists.

Was going through the eluvian with Morrigan a possibility?

[Tirfan]

Macropodmum wrote...

Andrastee wrote...

I don't want my Warden(s) back. They're way too busy ruling Ferelden, running the Antivan Crows, enjoying Paragon status, raising the God Baby with Morrigan and being dead.

I mean, hasn't the Warden, whoever they are, done enough for Thedas after ending the Blight, destroying the Mother and solving everyone's corpse gall shortage problems along the way? I'd like the Warden's mysterious disappearance resolved at some point (for the Wardens who haven't disappeared mysteriously through the Eluvian, anyway) but I don't want those characters back as protagonists.

Was going through the eluvian with Morrigan a possibility?

Yes. At least for Male wardens who romanced her and did OGB-deed.

On topic.. I've said numerous times before I actually don't want the warden back, but if it came to question Hawke or the Warden, I'd go for the Warden any time of the day.

Or if the only way to have an unvoiced protagonist again would be the Warden to make an comeback.. Well, then, I'd rather have the Warden back.

Even though that would mean Bioware would butcher my Warden by putting him yet again in a story he doesn't care about.. It would still be far better than playing voiced-protagonist/Hawke ever again.

[Fallstar]

The Warden should return. I felt much more attached to my Warden than I did to Hawke.

[EnforcerGREG]

The warden and Hawke should both return. but not as main characters as far as we know they've dissapered off the face Thedas that not even their companions know where they are. It may be up to another protagonist to find them/save the world.

[Sepewrath]

riveraeg wrote...

I don't understard how you can say that the Warden story is over when you have more loose ends than DA2. 

I still feel the big mystery of DAO was not the blight but it seemmed to me that the blight was the catalyst for Flemeth/Morrigan plans.  

I still feel is the Warden job to deal with Flemeth and or Morrigan since whatever they are doing will involve the old gods. ( I still Morrigan got into the Golden City and Warden by stabbing or not stopping her is dealing with the consequences.

That is why I want to see the Warden in DA3. I like that plot more than the Mages vs. Templars, I hope that they combine both in some way, but right now I did not like the direction they took DA2, I don't have an issue with Hawke, but it felt more like a side story than a continuation.

I felt with less mystery in DA2 than I did at the end of Origins and the DLC.

Problem with that is, if you didn't knock Morrigan up, the plots dead. Its not like say, killing Leliana in a magic tomb, if you never had sex with her, how could she have any such kid. And the likelyhood that she found another Warden recruit in the 24hr period before the battle was over is slim to none. Granted I'm sure Morrigan will be back and she and Flemeth will be related to further plots, but I don't think you can carry an entire game on the kid angle.

[KotorEffect3]

DuskWarden wrote...

The Warden should return. I felt much more attached to my Warden than I did to Hawke.

Emotional nostalgic reasoning.  There is no logical reason to keep playing as the warden his story is done.   There is more to Thedas than just fighting darkspawn.

[KotorEffect3]

EnforcerGREG wrote...

The warden and Hawke should both return. but not as main characters as far as we know they've dissapered off the face Thedas that not even their companions know where they are. It may be up to another protagonist to find them/save the world.

I am ok with either playing as Hawke again or a new protaganist.  I don't think Hawke's story is quite yet finished so I don't mind playing more of him, and a new protaganist could also work for me depending on where they take the story (plus I wouldn't mind having the option to play as different races)

[Macropodmum]

Tirfan wrote...

Macropodmum wrote...

Andrastee wrote...

I don't want my Warden(s) back. They're way too busy ruling Ferelden, running the Antivan Crows, enjoying Paragon status, raising the God Baby with Morrigan and being dead.

I mean, hasn't the Warden, whoever they are, done enough for Thedas after ending the Blight, destroying the Mother and solving everyone's corpse gall shortage problems along the way? I'd like the Warden's mysterious disappearance resolved at some point (for the Wardens who haven't disappeared mysteriously through the Eluvian, anyway) but I don't want those characters back as protagonists.

Was going through the eluvian with Morrigan a possibility?

Yes. At least for Male wardens who romanced her and did OGB-deed.

Ah thanks, so far the only warden I have had go after her was married to Alistair...

[riveraeg]

Sepewrath wrote...

riveraeg wrote...

I don't understard how you can say that the Warden story is over when you have more loose ends than DA2. 

I still feel the big mystery of DAO was not the blight but it seemmed to me that the blight was the catalyst for Flemeth/Morrigan plans.  

I still feel is the Warden job to deal with Flemeth and or Morrigan since whatever they are doing will involve the old gods. ( I still Morrigan got into the Golden City and Warden by stabbing or not stopping her is dealing with the consequences.

That is why I want to see the Warden in DA3. I like that plot more than the Mages vs. Templars, I hope that they combine both in some way, but right now I did not like the direction they took DA2, I don't have an issue with Hawke, but it felt more like a side story than a continuation.

I felt with less mystery in DA2 than I did at the end of Origins and the DLC.

Problem with that is, if you didn't knock Morrigan up, the plots dead. Its not like say, killing Leliana in a magic tomb, if you never had sex with her, how could she have any such kid. And the likelyhood that she found another Warden recruit in the 24hr period before the battle was over is slim to none. Granted I'm sure Morrigan will be back and she and Flemeth will be related to further plots, but I don't think you can carry an entire game on the kid angle.

I agree that the good child is a moot point if you din't knock Morrigan. 

However there is still tension between Morrigan and Flemeth.  Also they both have a plan, and it seems in oods or competing with one another.

Morrigan also have the Eluvian Mirror which lead somewhere which is not the fade.  (The black city?).  I do think that the mirror the old gods are conected.  Remember this is how the chantry said the Darkspawn was created.  

I do think there is still a lot unsolved with Morrigan and Flemeth, whether you made the Dark Promise or not.  If you made the ultimate sacrifice still Orlesian Warden still dealt with the Archithect. 

[miraclemight]

I don't think having a voice is the main reason for having difficulties to 'attach to Hawke'. Shepard has a voice, and I hardly see people saying its ruining their character.

I'm not going to grab a banner and continue mentioning that Hawke's lack of depth was the writers' fault. In my opinion, having a voiced protagonist can greatly increase story immersion if it is done right. If it is done right...

Also, I'm ready to move on from my Warden and start with a new character if the plot demands it. But if I ever had to choose between playing as my Warden again or Hawke, I'll choose the Warden.

Modifié par miraclemight, 25 juillet 2011 - 08:23 .

[Sepewrath]

Chantry says a lot of things lol, I don't actually believe their story about the Darkspawn. It's just a good story to scare people about mages. Like I said, I do think Flemeth vs Morrigan is inevitable, I just don't think it will be about the kid. A lot of will have to do with I think, detailing just what Flemeth is. She is clearly no mage, or no abomination. I think the Eluvian links to Dark Space, Morrigan is going to be hanging out with the Reapers in ME3 lol.

[Mr. 007]

In my opinion if The Warden isn't in DA3 in some manner (and preferably voiced. The Warden's silence is one thing that really irritated me) I'm probably not going to get the game. Not that I didn't like Hawke, ( Hawke's "Only when we're out of pancakes." line from the Mark Of The Assassin DLC is just plain awsome) but I enjoyed playing my canon Warden so much I got the ps3 and pc version just so I could play as her more. It's lazy and stupid when both Hawke and especially The Warden's story end with 'they mysteriouly vanished'...please, do better than that crap. They should have them both be at least party members. I mean Hawke was at the center of what started DA3's Mage vs Templar storyline and you really think I'm going to buy that she isn't going to have some role in DA3? And what's the point of having Leliana make her appearances especially her one at the end of DA2, if The Warden has no role in DA3. Sure, The Warden didn't have a hand in Mage/Templar thing. But being responsible for the fifth Blight being the shortest one in history while she was only a recruit AND jumping rank from recruit to Commander of The Grey in six months...she's got to have some major influence that can be put to solving the Mage/Templar war. (besides, I want to see what would happen if The Warden met Hawke) I don't mind having someone new to play as, but don't make and forget characters...their not toilet paper

[ShadowAussie]

I doubt he/she would or should return. but mentioning them in-game would help the course of the imports. I'd think hawke may have a chance for he/she already has a voice to respond to anyone and they should fit in as a character to give quests or atleast also be mention. brother/sister hawke should be in game. I always wanted to see Val Royeaux its one of my favorite places Ive heard in-game maybe wardens HQ in weisshaupt I always wanted to see how it looks I think it will be like the wardens keep in ferelden or vigils keep in amerantine.

[Urzon]

The devs have already said, a long while ago, that the Warden's and Hawke's story is for the most part through. That and, each game is going to get its own new hero. Though, they might pull Hawke in for a cameo in DAIII, since they cancelled the expansion; I doubt they are going to bring back the Warden in any meaniful way.