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The Warden should come back in DA3


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#126
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Hawke felt too much like a customizable companion to me. When i played the warden i felt much more like he was my own character.


My feelings too. I haven't gotten far in DA2 but I feel like I'm watching a movie instead of really having too much input into "my" adventure. I'm not a fan of the voiced protagonist although it's got perks.

Personally, I'd rather see my Wardens retired. Some died, of course, but considering the track record of what happens to people in this world (and video games in general, Diablo wasn't exactly a nice transition into Diablo II for your hero) I'd like to think the ones who managed to survive are either quietly retired running the kingdom with Alistair or Anora, running amuck doing their own thing, or living it up sipping a martini with Morrigan in the Mirror Realm somewhere.

Or peddling muffins with Zevran as someone else suggested (LOL)

And sure, I understand what my imagination says has no influence on Bioware's plans for the Warden. That's why I'd much rather they were left alone. I like a good story, and I was looking forward to Hawke. I would rather see someone new brought onto the stage than find my characters turned into Maker-knows-What or killed and put back together again like the Six Million Dollar Warden. I'm just a "save the world and let 'em rest" kind of person, or subjugate the world and crush it into submission in my godhood ... whichever works.

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alaska the 1st wrote...

A story excuse for the warden to return...BS powers go!!! The game starts off with a helmeted or hooded person who is with companions. Group is attack everyone dies covered person is knocked senseless in the very start, and wakes up to a powerful healing mage who asks if they are feeling alright and that they had to remake their face. But person doesn't remember who they are and only has a letter or something thats say there last name...oh and they're in some place other than Ferelden


This was pretty good. Its like in Fallout: New Vegas when you had to change the looks on your char! : )

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Thats what I want for DA3 being my warden again. Hawke just felt... like a side story. Heck if a character already has his or her own voice in a game. (ME or Halo or Saints Row) you lose that sense of... individuality. DAO made me feel like the warden was me. DA2 not so much. If DA2 was the first game of the dragon age franchise I wouldn't be a fan at all. DA2 without DAO would've probably been a flop (if it didn't have the support of "its made by bioware the creators of ME!)

So DA3 should be The Warden again, NO Voice either. But if a player's warden is dead have the option like Awakening had for the Orlesian warden but perhaps someone different? From the hints that Bioware said for DA3 Cassandra will most likely be a party member. And for us who romanced some character have that romanced character be the warden's companion (of course this would go with a DLC with the warden in it maybe)

Us players who romanced Leliana kinda got a slap in the face. All we get from Leliana is "(s)he is dear to my heart DONE!" Heck at the end of DA2 she gives up her search for the warden saying its in the maker's hand. Wow Leliana just wow give up like that on the love of your life.

Morrigan romancers got the best ending going into the eluvian and not worrying about all the crap that Thedas is in now. Heck Zevran romancers have him returning to their warden and even denying Isabella in the cameo encounter. Alistair romancers are sated with him returning to her (as queen if hes king) and thats at the 8 years after on the timeline.

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I think the stories for both the Warden & Hawke is done for.. Well not literally in that sense but they are now background material / cameos rather than the main protagonist for DA3.

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After finishing Dragon Age 2, I have to say that I REALLY want the Warden to come back. This story just felt like a side story that preps us for the main event. Crap hit the fan, now it's time for someone to put it all back together or get rid of the bastards who can't listen to reason. Heh, heh.

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No.

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SPARTAN 089-Gary wrote...

Thats what I want for DA3 being my warden again. Hawke just felt... like a side story. Heck if a character already has his or her own voice in a game. (ME or Halo or Saints Row) you lose that sense of... individuality. DAO made me feel like the warden was me.


I actually felt less drawn in because my Warden was a mute. The reason I prefer DA:O to this is because the story was better, and the dungeons, mansions, and areas weren't copy pasted, you could explore a lot. Voice acting wasn't a bad idea in my opinion, it was just the execution that was bad. The combat in this is much more exciting, it has it's flaws, but my character doesn't feel like a brick at least. I'm all for having the Warden or Hawke back, but I want voice acting to stay.

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I would rather have a new warden if not my old one instead of playing another human ****ty predetermined character in one city through hole game.

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Also warden story is done but at least give us a new character with some leeway like race and origin.

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While I enjoyed playing all of my Warden characters I am glad they didn't come back for this game as the main character. For the DA world and games to expand they needed a story like Hawke's and lets be honest here, not just going with the two stories overlap. None of my elven wardens would not have fit into this story since it is a human city. No human city would have allowed an elf to get as far as Hawke did.

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I hated playing as a Dwarf and only ever played female Elf because Male elves look short skinny and wimpy. Human was always my favourite anyway xD

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Freeway911 wrote...

While I enjoyed playing all of my Warden characters I am glad they didn't come back for this game as the main character. For the DA world and games to expand they needed a story like Hawke's and lets be honest here, not just going with the two stories overlap. None of my elven wardens would not have fit into this story since it is a human city. No human city would have allowed an elf to get as far as Hawke did.

Agreed but i dont want to play hawke again and this turn into mass effect with him as cover character.

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I'm hoping the reason they rushed this was because they were setting up the next epic story. I mean from the ending you can tell DA3 could possibly have the most potential out of all the games. Flemeth has plans, Morrigan has plans, the Chantry is in pieces with Templars and Mages rebelling everywhere. A sequel to this will be friggen awesome if executed well. I do not want another Mute main character.

How I see it, is that they need to put the Warden and Hawke in a sequel, it's just whether they are going to be side characters or main characters is what I am wondering. I mean you can't have Morrigan come back without the Warden :[ and Hawke is involved in this whole Chantry thing, they are both needed for this story imo.

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Would be great it if the warden did come back, but if not I trust Bioware in their decision, it would need to be done right and with so many variables it could prove tricky. What I liked about DA2 was the constant referencing about my Warden. All I would want to be a happy camper, is a solution/ending for my Warden & Hawke.

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Personally I can see DA3 having Hawke as the main protagonist but with a questline in there somewhere to find his most powerful ally, The Warden. And the two of them ultimately working together to save Thedas.

Lelianna is looking for The Warden for just this purpose from what I can gather...

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Freeway911 wrote...

While I enjoyed playing all of my Warden characters I am glad they didn't come back for this game as the main character. For the DA world and games to expand they needed a story like Hawke's and lets be honest here, not just going with the two stories overlap. None of my elven wardens would not have fit into this story since it is a human city. No human city would have allowed an elf to get as far as Hawke did.


Actually, an elf could have easily gotten to where Hawke was.  Someone who showed that they could handle the tough decisions and paid respect to the correct people would have been just as effective.  The High Enchanter was an elf, so there was room for any race to pull it off provided they had the skill.

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The Warden's shortened lifespan sadly puts a limit on how much BioWare can do with them. We may play as another Grey Warden at some point in the future, but I very much doubt *the* Warden will be showing up again.

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The Exiled Paladin wrote...

Personally I can see DA3 having Hawke as the main protagonist but with a questline in there somewhere to find his most powerful ally, The Warden. And the two of them ultimately working together to save Thedas.

Lelianna is looking for The Warden for just this purpose from what I can gather...


It's never stated that Leliana was looking for the Warden, only that the Warden had disappeared. Given the Warden's notoriety, it probably wouldn't take much actual looking to find that out.

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suntzuxi wrote...

Warden is the only person right now that can save this franchise~~~Let him/her go to Orlais with Leliana in DA3


Grey Warden don't take part into politics, especially not Chantry politics. If it's not a Blight they stay quiet in their little Warden's keeps. Also, Orlais isn't in shortage of Wardens and/or Chevaliers to fight off a possible Blight, they have no need for the Hero of Ferelden.

DA3 will have a new protagonist.

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I can't see it being anything other than a programmer's nightmare, with all the hundreds of variables involved, besides you know damn well if the Warden is not 100% like the character they created in DA:O, there will be a ton of fans working up a huge s***storm of complaints.
Myself, I would rather they move on and come up with a brand new protagoniist.

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I either want my Warden back or another protagonist.. Did not care much for Hawke and his story at all.

And I think it would be entirely possible for the Warden to at least make a cameo, something that suggests that he/she is fighting for the same cause but on another front, then pops up at the end again. Wouldn't need too much dialogue either.

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azarhal wrote...

suntzuxi wrote...

Warden is the only person right now that can save this franchise~~~Let him/her go to Orlais with Leliana in DA3


Grey Warden don't take part into politics, especially not Chantry politics. If it's not a Blight they stay quiet in their little Warden's keeps. Also, Orlais isn't in shortage of Wardens and/or Chevaliers to fight off a possible Blight, they have no need for the Hero of Ferelden.

DA3 will have a new protagonist.




Actually, I think most wardens don't get into the political frey, but it's been proven by our Warden that he has no qualms with "saving the world" regardless of whether or not there is a Blight.  Awakenings pretty much drives this point home as the Warden was doing all kinds of things that had nothing to do with a Blight such as putting down rebellions, rescuing someone's daughter from bandits, saving someone's brother from golems, etc.  I imagine that the Warden was such a huge part of what was going on and did someone no one has ever done he would be drug into the frey even if he didn't want to be involved.

Which is why the ending of DA2 says that they couldn't find the Warden, because something just put him/her back into play regardless of whether they were king or not.

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I really hope the warden doesn't come back. Wardens are one trick ponies story wise and the limitations imposed on them for being a warden and because they are a warden are not something I look forward to.

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EDarkness wrote...

dewayne31 wrote...

I'm not sure the warden should come back or not. i have been thinking bout it since i finished my character in da2. i want to say yes. but three of my wardens are dead. if the bring back warden i hope they do it in a way that sense


They can simply not let someone import their Warden if they're dead.  Much like they're talking about not letting people import their Sheppard if he died in ME2.  Or they can have Flemeth "revive" the Warden or something.  It wouldn't be hard to solve the death problem.  They seem to have no qualms about adjusting that sort of thing if it fits with that they're trying to do.


no kidding the only import game i used in da2 zevran was dead. might add by warden's hand

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Hawkes story needs to be finished no matter what. I loved Hawke, and want to see him resolve this Chantry, Templar, Mage crisis. Would be cool if the original Warden was in the story, as I think he still needs to deal with Flemeth, and whatever Morrigan plans. As I said before, I think they can use both of them, sort of a cross between stories and towards the end the stories come together as one.

But in reality, I don't think the Warden will be a main character again. I am expecting them to do something with Hawke considering the ending to Dragon Age 2 however.