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[Haseeo]

Well if your Warden was alive at the end of DA1, they do make mention at the end of DA2 that both Hawke and the Warden can't be found and that Leilana is looking for them both. It's a nice set up to bring them both together for DA3?

[LN19]

MICHELLE7 wrote...

I didn't mind moving from being a warden to being Hawke and if DA3 gives a new option I'm okay with that as well. Don't see how they could go back to the warden anyway...if they continue to move farther and farther into the future the short life span of the warden kinda puts a damper on bringing him back.

I don't think the Warden's lifespan would be an issue. The Warden in DA:O seems to be anywhere from their late teens to mid-twenties, right? DA:O took course over a year and DA II was about 8 years. If the taint causes someone to only have 30 more years, then Warden has at least 20 years left by the end of DA II.

[dewayne31]

EddySpeddy wrote...

Hawkes story needs to be finished no matter what. I loved Hawke, and want to see him resolve this Chantry, Templar, Mage crisis. Would be cool if the original Warden was in the story, as I think he still needs to deal with Flemeth, and whatever Morrigan plans. As I said before, I think they can use both of them, sort of a cross between stories and towards the end the stories come together as one.

But in reality, I don't think the Warden will be a main character again. I am expecting them to do something with Hawke considering the ending to Dragon Age 2 however.

this is more of what i'm thinking

[Kurzan]

Well with the Orlesian Warden Strom saying he wont stay and help fight the Qunari because something big is happening that he has to report, but he can't tell you what, and then Lelianna commenting on the Warden missing too, and that it's not a coincidence at the end of DA2. It's pretty likely I'd say.

[Zinou]

Warden isn't coming back, in some people playthrough he died, also, the two wardens that appears in the middle of the Qunari invasion says that those kind of wars are not their business, so the Warden's duty is kill all Darkspawn they find and look for the Old Gods period.

It's up to Hawke to stop the war.

[Noatz]

EDarkness wrote...

azarhal wrote...

suntzuxi wrote...

Warden is the only person right now that can save this franchise~~~Let him/her go to Orlais with Leliana in DA3

Grey Warden don't take part into politics, especially not Chantry politics. If it's not a Blight they stay quiet in their little Warden's keeps. Also, Orlais isn't in shortage of Wardens and/or Chevaliers to fight off a possible Blight, they have no need for the Hero of Ferelden.

DA3 will have a new protagonist.

Actually, I think most wardens don't get into the political frey, but it's been proven by our Warden that he has no qualms with "saving the world" regardless of whether or not there is a Blight.  Awakenings pretty much drives this point home as the Warden was doing all kinds of things that had nothing to do with a Blight such as putting down rebellions, rescuing someone's daughter from bandits, saving someone's brother from golems, etc.  I imagine that the Warden was such a huge part of what was going on and did someone no one has ever done he would be drug into the frey even if he didn't want to be involved.

Which is why the ending of DA2 says that they couldn't find the Warden, because something just put him/her back into play regardless of whether they were king or not.

The Warden will interfere in politics sure - if its necessary for them to deal with a darkspawn threat. Awakening may not have been a Blight, but sentient darkspawn were running amok throughout his lands from the minute he arrived at Vigil's Keep. The Mother was basically a Blight on Amaranthine.

Wardens fight darkspawn, and not just during Blights. If theres no Blight on they go on darkspawn bashing spelunking endeavors into the deep roads. There were no darkspawn in Kirkwall so the Wardens there left as they had no place messing with non darkspawn related matters.

Technical issues aside for a second, I think you need to accept that your obsession with the Warden just is not representative of most people's desires here. Sure theres a camp of people who would like to see their Warden playable again, but theres also a camp who want to see Hawke again for DA3. Then theres people who want a new main character. Opinion is obviously split, but even if this weren't the case I can guarantee you that Bioware are simply going to go ahead and use whatever main character they feel will best tell the ongoing story of Dragon Age regardless. And while you can say "But that character is the Warden!", ask yourself if that really is the case. The Warden who has another 5-10 years of life left at most, has already saved the world once, is part of a faction avowed not to involve themselves in the kind of politics sweeping the world currently, can be dead etc etc. I get that you feel most attached to your Warden and I can understand why some people would be, but just be realisitc for a second here.

Modifié par Noatz, 21 mars 2011 - 04:55 .

[Alexein]

The argument that the warden shouldn't be in a future game because s/he could have died in origins makes about as much sense as saying Commander Shepard (the protagonist of mass effect) shouldn't be in ME3 because s/he could have died in ME2.

Sure, in both games the death of the main character is allowed and there is an epilogue that deals with that.

But ultimately bioware can choose what canon ending they want and how it effects their future games. Commander Shepard is alive in ME3, end of story. Doesn't matter if in your play-through s/he fell to their death

The warden *may* be alive in a future Dragon age game. Just because death is an option in DA:O doesn't shackle bioware anymore than a dead commander Shepard does.

[EDarkness]

Technical issues aside for a second, I think you need to accept that your obsession with the Warden just is not representative of most people's desires here. Sure theres a camp of people who would like to see their Warden playable again, but theres also a camp who want to see Hawke again for DA3. Then theres people who want a new main character. Opinion is obviously split, but even if this weren't the case I can guarantee you that Bioware are simply going to go ahead and use whatever main character they feel will best tell the ongoing story of Dragon Age regardless. And while you can say "But that character is the Warden!", ask yourself if that really is the case. The Warden who has another 5-10 years of life left at most, has already saved the world once, is part of a faction avowed not to involve themselves in the kind of politics sweeping the world currently, can be dead etc etc. I get that you feel most attached to your Warden and I can understand why some people would be, but just be realisitc for a second here.

I agree that Bioware will go with whoever they feel is necessary to tell their story. That's kind of how it works. However, this thread is about why they should bring the Warden back in the next game. Some people agree with that, and some don't and that's the nature of this thread. People can post "for" or "against" the idea, but it is a place to discuss it.

That said, Wardens of late DO get involved in political issues. Two cases in the game that was just released being Alistair and Anders. Both Grey Wardens, both involved in political issues. There is no reason why our Grey Warden character can't be involved in the fate of the world at large or even have the duty to set things right after the Blight. It's not like the Warden is forced to be strictly a Grey Warden. He/she could easily "leave" the order and decide to tackle the world's problems, especially since there is the possibility of Morrigan having a demon baby that he/she would be responsible for. Bioware has pretty much made it a point to always leave it open for the Warden to return. He/she never gets tied down anywhere and at the end of DA2, the Warden is out there doing something. No reason why we can't pick up on that journey as the Warden. Generally, the Warden has 30 years or so and it's only been 7, so he/she still has plenty of time to save the world again.

Also, in case they need a face and voice for the Warden, they have the Sacred Ashes trailer that has both. They could easily use that as the model for the generic Warden and allow changes from there. It is not out of the realm of possibility for the Warden to come back and be the main character. I just feel like the character should see this thing through to the end, whether he/she stays an official Grey Warden or not.

Oh, and regardless of which character they use, I hope they have glowy eyes. 

Modifié par EDarkness, 21 mars 2011 - 05:33 .

[Noatz]

I agree the Warden could perhaps return - you're right that (assuming they use this as canon) its kind of his responsibility to deal with Morrigan. But not as a main character. Theres A: large technical barriers and B: while you're happy for them to homogenise the Warden's voice and look a lot of people will whine about it, and C: I don't think it makes sense for the Warden to save the world from itself rather than from darkspawn.

Also Anders left the Wardens and and at that point was somewhat less conscipuous a character than the Hero of Ferelden. Alistair is well, king. His is a unique situation not shared by the Warden with the royal blood and all.

Modifié par Noatz, 21 mars 2011 - 06:04 .

[EDarkness]

Noatz wrote...

I agree the Warden could perhaps return - you're right that (assuming they use this as canon) its kind of his responsibility to deal with Morrigan. But not as a main character. Theres A: large technical barriers and B: while you're happy for them to homogenise the Warden's voice and look a lot of people will whine about it, and C: I don't think it makes sense for the Warden to save the world from itself rather than from darkspawn.

Also Anders left the Wardens and and at that point was somewhat less conscipuous a character than the Hero of Ferelden. Alistair is well, king. His is a unique situation not shared by the Warden with the royal blood and all.

The point I was making is that there's no hard and fast rule that states Grey Wardens must only deal with Darkspawn or that they don't concern themselves with other affairs.  The "Hero of Ferelden" is not a normal Grey Warden, and so he has a lot more pull and more responsibility to look after the well being of the people.  Especially if the PC Grey Warden became king or queen.  At the end of DA2 it's obvious tha the Warden is out there doing something and we don't know if it has anything to do with darkspawn or not.  It's also pointed out that the Warden is also a free roaming spirit.  The Warden could have easily settled down in Vigil Keep and ran that area, but instead he/she got bored and headed out.  It's pretty obvious that the Warden doesn't follow the normal Grey Warden rules and beliefs.

As for technical issues, there's really no problem.  Some people would be unhappy about having a "voice" for their Warden, but I believe that if the voice was cool and all versions of the Warden were accounted for (elf, human, or dwarf), then I think more people would be willing to bite, especially if we're continuing the story we left off after the archdemon was defeated.  Small departures from the norm I think people can accept, but huge departures like the current game cause people to notice more.  Finding that balance is key and after playing both games, I think Bioware can work it out fine.

[Night Prowler76]

I hope the Warden returns with Morrigan and evil god baby and open up a can of whoop ass on the land lol

Maybe they will turn them into evil characters or something and a new hero will battle against them:>

[PPR223]

The Warden is far from impossible to bring back, as the reasons stated in this topic are all easily repaired.

- If the Warden died, then you may not be able to import that save to DA3 at all, like Bioware are supposedly doing with ME2.

- If you did not take the Dark Ritual, and still survived the Arch Demon, and you are able to transfer it, that will mean that the Old God Child is of no importance to the story whatsoever.

- If they put enough effort into DA3, then I do not see why they can't give atleast six different voices to the Warden, although I'd be fine without the voice. I'm not sure how many would complain if they did a singular male and female voice for all the different origins, I wouldn't care myself, but thats me.

- They don't have to transfer the face design from Origins at all, due to you being able to recreate it yourself, aslong as they have similar design choices in DA3.

- If your Warden did die, then you could possibly play as the Orlesian Warden from Awakenings instead.

I unfortunately have doubts that this will happen though, as I think they will make a new protagonist, something that I'm certainly not in support of. This idea of having different protagonists in a story has been done before, and I have never enjoyed these stories anywhere near as much as that based on a single character.

If they don't bring him back as the protagonist or a companion, which I think is less possible to do than making him the main character, then I hope atleast that they will be quite major to the storyline in an alternative way. I'd prefer for them to bring the Warden back, because I think there might be more to Wardens and the Darkspwan than what has been stated so far.

[PickledGear]

Zinou wrote...

Warden isn't coming back, in some people playthrough he died, also, the two wardens that appears in the middle of the Qunari invasion says that those kind of wars are not their business, so the Warden's duty is kill all Darkspawn they find and look for the Old Gods period.

It's up to Hawke to stop the war.

Theres a thing called Leaving the Wardens, Anders did it and look what he did, he pretty much started the whole rebellion war. If he/she wanted to the warden could leave the grey wardens. Although the taint is still within them and they can still sense darkspawn they don't associate themselves with the wardens. Which could be a whole other story where the wardens of Weisshaupt are villains and our warden is trying to escape them or do something to reform them.

[Gaelem]

SPARTAN 089-Gary wrote...

Zinou wrote...

Warden isn't coming back, in some people playthrough he died, also, the two wardens that appears in the middle of the Qunari invasion says that those kind of wars are not their business, so the Warden's duty is kill all Darkspawn they find and look for the Old Gods period.

It's up to Hawke to stop the war.

Theres a thing called Leaving the Wardens, Anders did it and look what he did, he pretty much started the whole rebellion war. If he/she wanted to the warden could leave the grey wardens. Although the taint is still within them and they can still sense darkspawn they don't associate themselves with the wardens. Which could be a whole other story where the wardens of Weisshaupt are villains and our warden is trying to escape them or do something to reform them.

Who is also to say that this rebellion isn't what the old gods / intelligent dark spawn will use to start something new. I mean wouldn't be the first war/dispute the Warden broke up so saying he'd stay out of it I agree would align with the Wardens direction but he might need the fight to end.  As for the warden dying ending. Just like almost all the DA:O DLC unless you explicitly started new the assumption was the Warden lived.

[Shadowknight12]

I liked the Warden and all, but I really hope they're dead. Cool heroes are fun and all, but at some point, it becomes trite to see the same character taking the spotlight all the time. Their tale is done. Let them rest in peace.

Hawke, on the other hand, is probably still alive.

[EddySpeddy]

Shadowknight12 wrote...

I liked the Warden and all, but I really hope they're dead. Cool heroes are fun and all, but at some point, it becomes trite to see the same character taking the spotlight all the time. Their tale is done. Let them rest in peace.

Hawke, on the other hand, is probably still alive.

Not dead! If they aren't going to use him again, they should make him the First Warden.

[MAD WHITE HAM]

EddySpeddy wrote...

Shadowknight12 wrote...

I liked the Warden and all, but I really hope they're dead. Cool heroes are fun and all, but at some point, it becomes trite to see the same character taking the spotlight all the time. Their tale is done. Let them rest in peace.

Hawke, on the other hand, is probably still alive.

Not dead! If they aren't going to use him again, they should make him the First Warden.

i'd be down with being 1st warden!!!

[EDarkness]

Shadowknight12 wrote...

I liked the Warden and all, but I really hope they're dead. Cool heroes are fun and all, but at some point, it becomes trite to see the same character taking the spotlight all the time. Their tale is done. Let them rest in peace.

Hawke, on the other hand, is probably still alive.

No way the Warden can be dead.  I don't know about any else's warden, but I walked throught the portal with Morrigan.  Pretty sure he's still alive.

[Shadowknight12]

EDarkness wrote...

Shadowknight12 wrote...

I liked the Warden and all, but I really hope they're dead. Cool heroes are fun and all, but at some point, it becomes trite to see the same character taking the spotlight all the time. Their tale is done. Let them rest in peace.

Hawke, on the other hand, is probably still alive.

No way the Warden can be dead.  I don't know about any else's warden, but I walked throught the portal with Morrigan.  Pretty sure he's still alive.

We don't know what's on the other side. For all we know, Morrigan and the Warden might be very dead, even on the other side of the mirror. Also, that still qualifies as functionally dead. If you ask me, that was a way to get Morrigan out of the picture for good. She never said the child was on the other side, she merely said that it was beyond the Warden's reach.

[wyandell26]

Noatz wrote...

You feel like recording an entire games worth of dialogue for every single origin/gender combination?

Because EA can't hire 4 more voice actors?

(Dwarf M/F, Elf M/F)

I mean I know EA is all about cash, but c'mon 

[EDarkness]

We don't know what's on the other side. For all we know, Morrigan and the Warden might be very dead, even on the other side of the mirror. Also, that still qualifies as functionally dead. If you ask me, that was a way to get Morrigan out of the picture for good. She never said the child was on the other side, she merely said that it was beyond the Warden's reach.

Well, here's the rub, not all Wardens went through the portal. Some stayed king/queen or whatever. In Act 3, it pretty much states that my Warden is still alive and in Denerim. That said, at the very end of the game the Warden went off somewhere. Something big must have happened, and I imagine the Warden isn't dead, but crap hit the fan and he/she is out there trying to figure something out. Much like Hawke.

[Shadowknight12]

EDarkness wrote...

We don't know what's on the other side. For all we know, Morrigan and the Warden might be very dead, even on the other side of the mirror. Also, that still qualifies as functionally dead. If you ask me, that was a way to get Morrigan out of the picture for good. She never said the child was on the other side, she merely said that it was beyond the Warden's reach.

Well, here's the rub, not all Wardens went through the portal. Some stayed king/queen or whatever. In Act 3, it pretty much states that my Warden is still alive and in Denerim. That said, at the very end of the game the Warden went off somewhere. Something big must have happened, and I imagine the Warden isn't dead, but crap hit the fan and he/she is out there trying to figure something out. Much like Hawke.

You could be right, of course, and the Warden (for those whose Wardens are still alive and kicking) will become a major force in the upcoming DA, but I get the feeling that they will either remain missing indefinitely or turn up to be dead. Death is a big equaliser for all playthroughs, with 'followed Morrigan through the Eluvian' being the sole exception.

I'm placing my bet on 'indefinitely missing unless canonically dead'. It's the only way to reconcile all possible storylines. Though I suppose they could also go with 'indefinitely missing' and have it refer to the Orlesian Warden if the Warden sacrificed themselves.

[EDarkness]

You could be right, of course, and the Warden (for those whose Wardens are still alive and kicking) will become a major force in the upcoming DA, but I get the feeling that they will either remain missing indefinitely or turn up to be dead. Death is a big equaliser for all playthroughs, with 'followed Morrigan through the Eluvian' being the sole exception.

I'm placing my bet on 'indefinitely missing unless canonically dead'. It's the only way to reconcile all possible storylines. Though I suppose they could also go with 'indefinitely missing' and have it refer to the Orlesian Warden if the Warden sacrificed themselves.

I hope they don't kill the Warden. As a matter of fact, I don't think they'd be doing themselves a favor by killing the Warden, and I think the Warden is too popular of a character to simply kill off. I know I'd be upset if they did as it would invalidate everything I did in Origins to be simply "killed off" or "left wandering" in subsequent games. Which is why I think they went out of their way to say the Warden was alive in Act 3 of DA2. If they're trying to sell a game, then doing something like that wouldn't go over well.

[Shadowknight12]

EDarkness wrote...

I hope they don't kill the Warden. As a matter of fact, I don't think they'd be doing themselves a favor by killing the Warden, and I think the Warden is too popular of a character to simply kill off. I know I'd be upset if they did as it would invalidate everything I did in Origins to be simply "killed off" or "left wandering" in subsequent games. Which is why I think they went out of their way to say the Warden was alive in Act 3 of DA2. If they're trying to sell a game, then doing something like that wouldn't go over well.

I imported the save where my Warden went through the events of Origins, Awakening, Amgarrak and Witch Hunt, chose to remain behind and let Morrigan go. Alistair never mentioned that he was still alive, unless you mean Leliana's "Just like the Warden" comment in the end. If you mean that, then no, that doesn't mean the Warden is alive, just missing. If it is dependant on your imported saves, then that's probably just a nod to your choices in the first game.

Modifié par Shadowknight12, 22 mars 2011 - 03:25 .