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[EDarkness]

EddySpeddy wrote...

Hawke did nothing but cause issues, I want him to resolve them now as I did like Hawke. I don't want him to become like the Villain of the series, he needs to do something awesome like the Warden :/

I thought the whole point of Varric telling the story was to point out that Hawke wasn't the villian.  Cassandra seems to think Hawke is the villian in the beginning, but in the end she understands his role in what happened and that it wasn't his fault that things ended up the way that they did. 

[EddySpeddy]

He also points out that if Hawke wasn't there, it may have never happened.

Modifié par EddySpeddy, 22 mars 2011 - 12:39 .

[WhiteKnyght]

Well if Hawke weren't there the Qunari would have razed Kirkwall to the ground, killed every Templar, and turned every mage into a Sereebas and killed any who didn't accept the Qun.

Wouldn't really need to worry about a Mage/Templar war, at least not at that time.

[Reidbynature]

EddySpeddy wrote...

Reidbynature wrote...

I think there should be a new character for DA3. Sort of keep it even rather than choosing either the Warden or Hawke. As far as I'm concerned their stories are done as far as playing as them is concerned. Anything that needs to be wrapped, such as Morrigan's child should be wrapped up in the third DA3 with a new player characte. I feel like either character might be too powerful now and trying to make a third game around either of them will have to live up to the expectation of either game more than playing as a new character.

Though I wouldn't mind seeing either character return, especially the Warden. Though some might think that difficult due to the various voicing of the different races and genders, but I think it could easily just be cut down to one for each gender regardless of race. There's no reason each race picked for the warden couldn't sound the same, it's just the one character and their isn't any rule set in stone that they should sound a certain way.

I'm sorry, but Hawke needs to appear again. No matter what I want him to be the one to resolve the whole Chantry, Templar, Mage issue. It's just left far too open and Hawke needs to do something really awesome like the Warden did.

No, he doesn't.  He only dealt with the whole Chantry/Mage thing because he had to.  There was nothing in the ending that gave me the impression he and his friends had taken on the crusade for or against either faction.

[EddySpeddy]

Reidbynature wrote...

EddySpeddy wrote...

Reidbynature wrote...

I think there should be a new character for DA3. Sort of keep it even rather than choosing either the Warden or Hawke. As far as I'm concerned their stories are done as far as playing as them is concerned. Anything that needs to be wrapped, such as Morrigan's child should be wrapped up in the third DA3 with a new player characte. I feel like either character might be too powerful now and trying to make a third game around either of them will have to live up to the expectation of either game more than playing as a new character.

Though I wouldn't mind seeing either character return, especially the Warden. Though some might think that difficult due to the various voicing of the different races and genders, but I think it could easily just be cut down to one for each gender regardless of race. There's no reason each race picked for the warden couldn't sound the same, it's just the one character and their isn't any rule set in stone that they should sound a certain way.

I'm sorry, but Hawke needs to appear again. No matter what I want him to be the one to resolve the whole Chantry, Templar, Mage issue. It's just left far too open and Hawke needs to do something really awesome like the Warden did.

No, he doesn't.  He only dealt with the whole Chantry/Mage thing because he had to.  There was nothing in the ending that gave me the impression he and his friends had taken on the crusade for or against either faction.

So what. Hawke is a great character, but has yet to do anything as great as the Warden. I want an epic ending to his story like the Warden got.

[b09boy]

Remember, though Hawke's story is unresolved (or resolved in a way fans of the character ultimately won't like especially much) it's not like this is the last we'll see of them in DA2. While personally I'd rather see some of his/her adventures between chapters (how did he become so well-known in lowtown during that year?), there WILL be DLC which expands upon Hawke's story after the climax of the game. This need not be the plot of DA3.

[EddySpeddy]

b09boy wrote...

Remember, though Hawke's story is unresolved (or resolved in a way fans of the character ultimately won't like especially much) it's not like this is the last we'll see of them in DA2. While personally I'd rather see some of his/her adventures between chapters (how did he become so well-known in lowtown during that year?), there WILL be DLC which expands upon Hawke's story after the climax of the game. This need not be the plot of DA3.

DLC is generally for expanding the plot between the start and end. It would be an expansion or Sequel if it continued from what happened afterwards, and that is what I want to see.

[b09boy]

Generally, yes. But Bioware's recent history says differently. Keep in mind that Awakening, Golems and Witch Hunt all took place after Origins and that the DLC missions for ME2 were supposed to bridge it and ME3.

[p95h]

DA3 could be a Prequel. The 1st blight, fly griffons, Ferelden as conquered territory in the Orlesian Empire. Antivan Crows, The first mage revolt (WE DON'T JUST LIGHT THE CANDLES!), founding of the circles, the Tevinter Empire, etc... The world is rich with possible pre-history that doesn't even include the darkspawn.

[EddySpeddy]

I have never been a fan of Prequels, sure I don't mind them making one and I would buy it if they did, but if they are going to make a prequel I'd want them finishing the current story first if you get what I mean.

Modifié par EddySpeddy, 22 mars 2011 - 02:18 .

[Stakis]

If bioware wants the warden will be back, and that includes disregarding the US, i would be happy to get my warden back even muted, DAO plot and characters are so much better than DA2 i would love to get them all back and some real closure to their stories, and to make everyone happy hawke should be there also, a story following both heroes and a final battle where they team up would be perfect, but thats to much i guess.

getting a voice for the warden regardless of the race aint that hard , and most of us would understand the voices being the same for every race, and bioware already established a cannon story and events for shepard so doing the same for the warden wouldnt be nothing new.

besides the hero of ferelden would never sit and watch all that is going on around thedas, its impossible someone of his/her importance being left out of the action, he/she will be back, lets wait and see how.

Modifié par Stakis, 22 mars 2011 - 02:19 .

[EDarkness]

EddySpeddy wrote...

DLC is generally for expanding the plot between the start and end. It would be an expansion or Sequel if it continued from what happened afterwards, and that is what I want to see.

With the exception of Leliana's Song (well, and maybe Darkspawn Chronicles), pretty much all DLC has been set some time in the future.  My guess is that this will continue to be the trend.  It would be nice to see some of the areas in the middle, though.  Let's hope they get creative.  That said, I'm cool with seeing more of Hawke, but I still think this is the Warden's show in the end.

[EddySpeddy]

Stakis wrote...

If bioware wants the warden will be back, and that includes disregarding the US, i would be happy to get my warden back even muted, DAO plot and characters are so much better than DA2 i would love to get them all back and some real closure to their stories, and to make everyone happy hawke should be there also, a story following both heroes and a final battle where they team up would be perfect, but thats to much i guess.

getting a voice for the warden regardless of the race aint that hard , and most of us would understand the voices being the same for every race, and bioware already established a cannon story and events for shepard so doing the same for the warden wouldnt be nothing new.

besides the hero of ferelden would never sit and watch all that is going on around thedas, its impossible someone of his/her importance being left out of the action, he/she will be back, lets wait and see how.

Yeah I mentioned something along those lines earlier, having the sequel switching between Hawke and the Warden and the stories coming together towards the end. Hawke dealing with Chantry, Templar & Mage Rebellion. The Warden dealing with Flemeth, maybe Morrigan as well depending on her plans, possibly the Orlesians as well.

[Reidbynature]

EddySpeddy wrote...

So what. Hawke is a great character, but has yet to do anything as great as the Warden. I want an epic ending to his story like the Warden got.

He toppled an oppressive dictatorship (No, not Gaddaffi ).   That's fairly epic.  It may not have felt so playing it, but it still was.  I'm all for having him cameo in other games, but as far as playing another adenture as him I think an Awakenings style DLC would be the best solution (plus it could make up for DA2's deficiancies like the cut and paste levels, story flaws etc).

Plus you'd have to deal with your Hawke being stripped of most of their power, companions and gear (save for a few token trinkets) and the forced rebuilding of that to fight another threat.

[EddySpeddy]

Reidbynature wrote...

EddySpeddy wrote...

So what. Hawke is a great character, but has yet to do anything as great as the Warden. I want an epic ending to his story like the Warden got.

He toppled an oppressive dictatorship (No, not Gaddaffi ).   That's fairly epic.  It may not have felt so playing it, but it still was.  I'm all for having him cameo in other games, but as far as playing another adenture as him I think an Awakenings style DLC would be the best solution (plus it could make up for DA2's deficiancies like the cut and paste levels, story flaws etc).

Plus you'd have to deal with your Hawke being stripped of most of their power, companions and gear (save for a few token trinkets) and the forced rebuilding of that to fight another threat.

Yes, but that's my point, it didn't feel epic, also Arch Demon > Dictatorship. When the Warden stopped the Blight, and put that Arch Demon in it's place, it felt epic.

I'm sure Bioware can come up with a way to start him off as level 1 again. Hell, if they wanted to make him level 1 again, a lot of fans could probably tell them ways they could do it.

I just want a more epic ending to Hawkes story :/ it doesn't even give you an awesome cutscene of him kicking Merideths ass, the sword just blows up in her face, I mean come on!

Modifié par EddySpeddy, 22 mars 2011 - 02:41 .

[BubbleDncr]

After replaying the ending of DA2, I'm now even more convinced that DA3 has to answer the question of what happened to the Warden and Hawke. Whether that means we'll be playing as one of them, or as a new person who just finds out that someone killed them both and their job now is to avenge their deaths/save the world - we have to find out what happened to them. It's just bad storytelling, otherwise.
They wanted to end DA2 with a cliffhanger, and that cliffhanger is "where did Hawke go?" They didn't have to throw the Warden in there, but they did. Same with Leliana - if they didn't want to bring the Warden back for DA3 cos it would alienate people who didn't play DA:O, why put Leliana there? People who didn't play Origins will have no idea who she is.
I think all signs point to DA3 revealing what happened to the Warden and Hawke. Whether you're playing as them or not, I think everyone would prefer to play as them. But I'll be very disappointed if it was all just an excuse to make a new protagonist, with not discovery of where they went.

But considering they made such a big deal about how Hawke is the most important person in Thedas, it would be silly for another, even MORE important person to come along.

[The Angry One]

They threw the Warden in there as fanservice. To say "look we didn't forget about the Warden! Honest!".
Mark my words, little will come of it.

Hawke? Maybe. The Warden? Not a chance. Too many race/origin combos. Hell in DA2 they didn't even bother making Dwarf female models.
That is unless they forced some sort of default Warden on us. In which case I would have to politely HIT THEM WITH A SPOON.

[Ealos]

Someone on another thread described DA2 as Hawke's Origin story, which I found appealing. Don't mind not playing my warden (don't want him to become less awesome due to actions in later games), but would be good to see him having a word with Hawke at some point, hero to heroling.

[EDarkness]

The Angry One wrote...

They threw the Warden in there as fanservice. To say "look we didn't forget about the Warden! Honest!".
Mark my words, little will come of it.

Hawke? Maybe. The Warden? Not a chance. Too many race/origin combos. Hell in DA2 they didn't even bother making Dwarf female models.
That is unless they forced some sort of default Warden on us. In which case I would have to politely HIT THEM WITH A SPOON.

There have lots of ideas in this very thread as to how they can bring The Warden back without too much work, even with all the origin stories and race/voice issues.  Sure not everyone will be happy, but if they can find a happy medium, then I think that will satisfy most people.  My opinion is that The Warden needs to come back to finish what was started.  It just doesn't make any sense otherwise.  Dragon Age Origins was extremely fun and I purchased two copies of the game to show how much I enjoyed it.  I can't imagine the same guys who made that game (even with the missteps of the second) can't find a way to allow The Warden to be playable again.

[The Angry One]

EDarkness wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

They threw the Warden in there as fanservice. To say "look we didn't forget about the Warden! Honest!".
Mark my words, little will come of it.

Hawke? Maybe. The Warden? Not a chance. Too many race/origin combos. Hell in DA2 they didn't even bother making Dwarf female models.
That is unless they forced some sort of default Warden on us. In which case I would have to politely HIT THEM WITH A SPOON.

There have lots of ideas in this very thread as to how they can bring The Warden back without too much work, even with all the origin stories and race/voice issues.  Sure not everyone will be happy, but if they can find a happy medium, then I think that will satisfy most people.  My opinion is that The Warden needs to come back to finish what was started.  It just doesn't make any sense otherwise.  Dragon Age Origins was extremely fun and I purchased two copies of the game to show how much I enjoyed it.  I can't imagine the same guys who made that game (even with the missteps of the second) can't find a way to allow The Warden to be playable again.

Sure there are ideas, and some of them are good.. but you have to ask yourself how many of those ideas could truly be implemented in a game, while making that game decently deep.. on the kind of release schedule EA is forcing on BioWare nowadays?

[EddySpeddy]

EA needs to give Bioware longer to make some of their games. 3-4 years should be good enough to produce a brilliant Dragon Age game. Hopefully that would give them enough time to create more areas. I don't mind going back to the same area occasionally, but going into a completely different dungeon and it looking the same as the one before did not make me a happy chappy.

Anyway, it would be great to see Hawkes story finished if they can do it. I don't mind the Warden not being a main character. I would like him to make an appearance though, you'd just have to re-design his looks. It wouldn't be hard to give The Warden 6 different voices if he was only making a few appearances.

Modifié par EddySpeddy, 23 mars 2011 - 12:54 .

[EDarkness]

I agree that Bioware needs more time for the next game. DA2 just seemed rushed and poorly thought out in some ways.

The only problem they have with cameos of the Warden is that if people get a little taste of that, they're gonna want more. For many people they ARE the Warden and having him/her show up as unplayable in the game would just stoke the fire of having them as the main character in another game. Look at what just the mention on The Warden's name has caused. I think it's one of those things where the have to either jump in with the Warden 100% or not at all. I'd prefer to play as the Warden again, to be honest.

[BubbleDncr]

If they release the next DA on the same schedule, it should still be better than DA2 - I don't think they need to redo the art style again, like they did for this one. So they can basically spend the whole time working on story and such, and not be held up waiting on asset creation.

I guess that's my optimism.

[EddySpeddy]

BubbleDncr wrote...

If they release the next DA on the same schedule, it should still be better than DA2 - I don't think they need to redo the art style again, like they did for this one. So they can basically spend the whole time working on story and such, and not be held up waiting on asset creation.

I guess that's my optimism.

That is a good point, also the graphics for the next one probably won't need a boost, the graphics in this are good, just needs nicer scenery. Still to make it as good, and as long as Origins, they'll probably need 3 years minimum if they go with voice acting (which I hope they do). By that I mean I don't want a story so linear, I felt like my decisions mattered in Origins. 95% of the things you do in this turn out the same way regardless of the option you choose. I do want to see Hawke again though, I liked him.

[clanogrady]

I can just Imagine what the next DA game will be like, The warden Leads (or the order rallying behind the Wardens death,) going into the deep roads with a massive army battling through the dark spawn, Hawke Rallying the mages and templars into a unified army and marches into the storm, The new Figure unifing the scattered armies of thedas and the Qunari into a last stand, the plans set in motion, bearing the fruit of Flemeth's labors, All to save Thedas from the fate of destruction at the hands what drove the qunari from their home and to spite the world for its wrongs against her.

Do you think a three pronged story would work? using 3 acts all with different characters doing different things but coming together at the end to work together would be feasible to do in modern gaming?