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[namedforthemoon]

You don't have to kill Anders in order to side with the Templars. You can let him go. But He'll come back and attack you in the battle with the mages later on, so you're forced to kill him. But he forces your hand, so you should feel better about it.

[Sialater]

I would never "feel better" about killing him.

[Elysis]

Avayla wrote...

***SPOILERS***

THIS. I personally hated siding with the templars. I even went all out and stuck a knife in my favorite mage's back. And yes, I cried. BUT, the moment of anticipation, when Cullen is looking around, Meredith is dead... and then he goes down on one knee.... Ung...my hands went up in the air and I cheered. It *almost* made it worth it. I say almost because I'm still upset. I love Anders and his sexy psycho sparkle fingers... 

WORD:wub:
My current playthrough is going to be the templar ending. And I'm playing a mage lol! Trying reaaaallllyyy hard not to romance Anders (going for Fenris...) And I just got the cutscene where you first see Cullen.

*SQUUUEEEEEEEE* <3<3<3<3

My obssession with pixels is disturbing.

Edit : And to get back to romancing Cullen... I think it would be such an awkward and cute romance. When you think about it, being a templar, and being the complete basket case that he is with women, your PC romancing him would have to be SO patient!

Modifié par Elysis, 29 mars 2011 - 08:39 .

[Danathyr]

namedforthemoon wrote...

You don't have to kill Anders in order to side with the Templars. You can let him go. But He'll come back and attack you in the battle with the mages later on, so you're forced to kill him. But he forces your hand, so you should feel better about it.

Yes, I let him go (at 100% friend, not romanced).   He came back and tried to kill me and my party.  I had to kill him in self-defence.  I agree that you're forced to kill him, and that it's his fault, not Hawke's. 

Fenris was prepared to support Hawke if she sided with the mages.  Merrill (rival, not romanced) could see why Hawke sided with the templars and supported her.  For Anders, his own agenda (or Justice's) came first.   That's not even meant to be a criticism of Anders.  Maybe moral principles should come before friendship, or even love.   But it did mean that Anders gave Hawke no choice over killing him.   It sounded almost as if he wanted to die, and maybe killing him was as merciful as letting him go.  He talked about freedom, but he was a prisoner of Justice.

But back to Cullen.  Now that I've sided with the templars, it's going to be really difficult to side with the mages against Cullen.   Does he fight against Meredith at the end?

Modifié par Danathyr, 29 mars 2011 - 09:27 .

[Sialater]

Danathyr wrote...

namedforthemoon wrote...

You don't have to kill Anders in order to side with the Templars. You can let him go. But He'll come back and attack you in the battle with the mages later on, so you're forced to kill him. But he forces your hand, so you should feel better about it.

Yes, I let him go (at 100% friend, not romanced).   He came back and tried to kill me and my party.  I had to kill him in self-defence.  I agree that you're forced to kill him, and that it's his fault, not Hawke's. 

Fenris was prepared to support Hawke if she sided with the mages.  Merrill (rival, not romanced) could see why Hawke sided with the templars and supported her.  For Anders, his own agenda (or Justice's) came first.   That's not even meant to be a criticism of Anders.  Maybe moral principles should come before friendship, or even love.   But it did mean that Anders gave Hawke no choice over killing him.   It sounded almost as if he wanted to die, and maybe killing him was as merciful as letting him go.  He talked about freedom, but he was a prisoner of Justice.

But back to Cullen.  Now that I've sided with the templars, it's going to be really difficult to side with the mages against Cullen.   Does he fight against Meredith at the end?

Yes.  But backs away from Hawke in fear after Meredith crystallizes. 

[Kitimandiri]

Because it makes the Templar ending worth doing at least once.

[Caja]

Sialater wrote...
Yes. But backs away from Hawke in fear after Meredith crystallizes.

I don't think it was fear that made him back off. The way I see it there were two groups, that were ready to kill each other a few minutes before, so the atmosphere was very tense.
I thought it was a pity that you couldn't talk with Cullen once more after the final battle. I really wanted to talk with him and tell him something like: "You know, we don't have to fight. Why don't we calm down and try to find a better solution here?" But obviously there was just too much bad blood between templars and mages, therefore no negotiation. Sigh.

[Selenora]

I dont think its fear the reason he backs off. At least not fear of him dying.....maybe he understood he had no chance of fighting with the champion and win...killing Meredith and Orsino means the champion and company are capable to dispatch the few templars left alive......and maybe he understood there's no reason to do it never the less..sacrifising his and his men lives would gain nothing at that hour. Or maybe im too biased...

[Jean]

I figured either way he respected the champion too.

I am very curious where he stands after the entire incident. Templars are supposed to be reblling against the chantry, but in what way is left ambiguous.

Modifié par Batteries, 30 mars 2011 - 05:40 .

[Selenora]

Batteries wrote...

I figured either way he respected the champion too.

I am very curious where he stands after the entire incident. Templars are supposed to be reblling against the chantry, but in what way is left ambiguous.

The Chantry at a disarray, templars close to rebelion and mages turning itno abominations every two seconds.....welcome to kirkwall...the city of wonders ..have a pleasant stay

As to where he stands....i hope he takes Meredith's place after all this....in a good way...i dont want to see him turned into a lunatic obsessed with mages night commander trying to eliminate all mages and their grandmothers from existance....

[Ashwraith]

Kitimandiri wrote...



Because it makes the Templar ending worth doing at least once.

......

*punches self in face*
Huh! Wha?! What were we talking about again?

Modifié par Ashwraith, 30 mars 2011 - 06:06 .

[namedforthemoon]

Selenora wrote...

Batteries wrote...

I figured either way he respected the champion too.

I am very curious where he stands after the entire incident. Templars are supposed to be reblling against the chantry, but in what way is left ambiguous.

The Chantry at a disarray, templars close to rebelion and mages turning itno abominations every two seconds.....welcome to kirkwall...the city of wonders ..have a pleasant stay

As to where he stands....i hope he takes Meredith's place after all this....in a good way...i dont want to see him turned into a lunatic obsessed with mages night commander trying to eliminate all mages and their grandmothers from existance....

The way he talks, he seems to be a more diplomatic sort of person, at least more-so than Meredith. I'd like to see Cullen follow up on the things he spoke about, like looking into ways to better educate mages so that they understand why the Chantry does what it does. He seems like the type that would want peace. I also think that's the type that would look down on those templars like Ulric who makes mages beg before making them tranquil, and those who sexually abuse the mages under their care. Anders talks about that sort of stuff, and it makes me think that a lot of templars really abuse their position. I think Cullen would put a stop to that.

[Selenora]

namedforthemoon wrote...

Selenora wrote...

Batteries wrote...

I figured either way he respected the champion too.

I am very curious where he stands after the entire incident. Templars are supposed to be reblling against the chantry, but in what way is left ambiguous.

The Chantry at a disarray, templars close to rebelion and mages turning itno abominations every two seconds.....welcome to kirkwall...the city of wonders ..have a pleasant stay

As to where he stands....i hope he takes Meredith's place after all this....in a good way...i dont want to see him turned into a lunatic obsessed with mages night commander trying to eliminate all mages and their grandmothers from existance....

The way he talks, he seems to be a more diplomatic sort of person, at least more-so than Meredith. I'd like to see Cullen follow up on the things he spoke about, like looking into ways to better educate mages so that they understand why the Chantry does what it does. He seems like the type that would want peace. I also think that's the type that would look down on those templars like Ulric who makes mages beg before making them tranquil, and those who sexually abuse the mages under their care. Anders talks about that sort of stuff, and it makes me think that a lot of templars really abuse their position. I think Cullen would put a stop to that.

He seems clever enough to use diplomatic options...but he's a templar at heart......he wants to educate the mages about why Chantry does what it does but he cant see the real Why, which imo is that the chantry just wants to keep power at hands...at least nowadays...maybe when the Chantry was founded their cause was noble and they trully wanted to keep mages and the rest of the world safe...i dont think thats the case now tho...
i dont see any other option tho to solve the problem....hearing what mages have done to Tevinter and seeing what have become here i think its the only solution...for now at least.....
Maybe not educating mages about the whys but teaching them how to be stronger and how to be able to control themselves would be a better idea.
I beleive Cullen is one of a few Templars that can do good and he has a good heart.
(Oh dear God...i DO am biased towards him lol)

[MorningBird]

I'm going to be honest. I don't want Cullen as a love interest in DLC OR an expansion.

I want him as a party member in DA3.

Sorry, he needs his own game. He's too awesome not to get his own game. XD

Modifié par MorningBird, 30 mars 2011 - 06:41 .

[Selenora]

MorningBird wrote...

I'm going to be honest. I don't want Cullen as a love interest in DLC OR an expansion.

I want him as a party member in DA3.

Sorry, he needs his own game. He's too awesome not to get his own game. XD

did i say i love you?

[MorningBird]

Selenora wrote...

did i say i love you?

Not today, no.

[Torax]

Personally I think I would like to see him as a companion. But if they keep him to his dedicated ways? He'd never leave the Order even in it's war to be a companion I'd think. What is right for us isn't maybe right for the character. It's like me wanting Sigrun to show up again. Why would she even turn her back on being a killer of darkspawn? She dedicated her life to it before she even became a grey warden. Cullen should be even more prominent in the Order and not in my party. Maybe the voice of reason for the Order.

[monima]

MorningBird wrote...

I'm going to be honest. I don't want Cullen as a love interest in DLC OR an expansion.

I want him as a party member in DA3.

Sorry, he needs his own game. He's too awesome not to get his own game. XD

I agree he should be a full companion member in the next game. An expansion is not enough!!!!

[Selenora]

Trying...hard...to resist.......nahhhh......not working.....





:D:D

[MorningBird]

Torax wrote...

Personally I think I would like to see him as a companion. But if they keep him to his dedicated ways? He'd never leave the Order even in it's war to be a companion I'd think. What is right for us isn't maybe right for the character. It's like me wanting Sigrun to show up again. Why would she even turn her back on being a killer of darkspawn? She dedicated her life to it before she even became a grey warden. Cullen should be even more prominent in the Order and not in my party. Maybe the voice of reason for the Order.

I think it's possible that he would leave the Order, but remain with the chantry.  It's something that crops up during the end game dialogue between Varric and Cassandra.

Varric: "I thought all of the templars left the chantry to hunt the mages." (suggests that the templars have split from the chantry, possibly due to a conflict of interest over the 'looming' war.)

Cassandra: "We do not all desire war, Varric." (suggests that not all of the templars have deserted, so the chantry still has SOME semblance of an army.)

Keep in mind, these are just my assumptions, but if that's the case, it's possible for Cullen to return in DA3 as a party member without damaging his character, as my impression of the chantry (at the end of DA2) was that they want to PREVENT the war before it truly begins.

Cassandra's dialogue to Varric at the end of the game implies that the chantry is seeking the Champion because they want to use his/her persuasion to open a dialogue between the mages/templars (depending on who you side with) because they're someone they respect, someone they'll listen to.

Once again, these are just my assumptions.  I guess my point is more or less that in regards to Cullen, there IS wiggle room. xD

Modifié par MorningBird, 30 mars 2011 - 06:59 .

[Avilia]

If they were to bring Cullen back (which of course they should) I do hope he comes complete with Greg Ellis.

I vote we march on Edmonton if they mess with that...

[Torax]

A bit off topic. What if the Champion gets cut into little pieces and then the Divine calls on the powers of the Maker to rebuild Hawke? As Hawke wakes up they are greeted by some chantry people and then Varric walks in, "Surprise."

Modifié par Torax, 30 mars 2011 - 07:08 .

[Jean]

Avilia wrote...

If they were to bring Cullen back (which of course they should) I do hope he comes complete with Greg Ellis.

I vote we march on Edmonton if they mess with that...

The fangirls can't have Greg Ellis.

If he comes back and finally makes the leap to an LI companion, the voice will change!
Those characters seem to do that.


But seriously, if it does change.

Modifié par Batteries, 30 mars 2011 - 07:12 .

[Avilia]

Batteries wrote...

Avilia wrote...

If they were to bring Cullen back (which of course they should) I do hope he comes complete with Greg Ellis.

I vote we march on Edmonton if they mess with that...

The fangirls can't have Greg Ellis.

[Danathyr]

I think he does what he feels is right, whether it's running away from attractive mages in Ferelden or standing up to Meredith. There just needs to be a reason for him to believe it's right to join the hero as a companion. I'd like him to keep the uniform, though, whatever he does.