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[Danathyr]

I think he does what he feels is right, whether it's running away from attractive mages in Ferelden or standing up to Meredith. There just needs to be a reason for him to believe it's right to join the hero as a companion. I'd like him to keep the uniform, though, whatever he does.

[Torax]

I think Greg Ellis is like Steven Valentine. The're locked in really. I mean they recast Anders just so they have Ellis still be Cullen the way they needed him to be. It was a perfect change. Truth be told even when Cullen was wanting to kill all the mages in Origins I still just pictured the bashful templar who ran away from my female Amell. Now he has purpose and conviction.

[Selenora]

MorningBird wrote...

Torax wrote...

Personally I think I would like to see him as a companion. But if they keep him to his dedicated ways? He'd never leave the Order even in it's war to be a companion I'd think. What is right for us isn't maybe right for the character. It's like me wanting Sigrun to show up again. Why would she even turn her back on being a killer of darkspawn? She dedicated her life to it before she even became a grey warden. Cullen should be even more prominent in the Order and not in my party. Maybe the voice of reason for the Order.

I think it's possible that he would leave the Order, but remain with the chantry.  It's something that crops up during the end game dialogue between Varric and Cassandra.

Varric: "I thought all of the templars left the chantry to hunt the mages." (suggests that the templars have split from the chantry, possibly due to a conflict of interest over the 'looming' war.)

Cassandra: "We do not all desire war, Varric." (suggests that not all of the templars have deserted, so the chantry still has SOME semblance of an army.)

Keep in mind, these are just my assumptions, but if that's the case, it's possible for Cullen to return in DA3 as a party member without damaging his character, as my impression of the chantry (at the end of DA2) was that they want to PREVENT the war before it truly begins.

Cassandra's dialogue to Varric at the end of the game implies that the chantry is seeking the Champion because they want to use his/her persuasion to open a dialogue between the mages/templars (depending on who you side with) because they're someone they respect, someone they'll listen to.

Once again, these are just my assumptions.  I guess my point is more or less that in regards to Cullen, there IS wiggle room. xD

I didnt pay much attention to the end dialogue scene..but if the templars have left the Chantry to start a holy war against the mages (were they THAT pissed off? ) they will need a leader.......otherwise they will be a bunch of anorganised worriors ...and  why templars abandon the chantry to hunt  mages when they can do it from inside?

whatever the reason maybe Cullen is not one of them....but i dont think there will be a problem having him as a companion in DA3...he may be with the order trying to help avoid the war...or with the chantry for the same reason....as long as it is a companion i dont care whose side is he lol

[Selenora]

Torax wrote...

A bit off topic. What if the Champion gets cut into little pieces and then the Divine calls on the powers of the Maker to rebuild Hawke? As Hawke wakes up they are greeted by some chantry people and then Varric walks in, "Surprise."

Stop playing ME2 too much

[Torax]

Selenora wrote...

Torax wrote...

A bit off topic. What if the Champion gets cut into little pieces and then the Divine calls on the powers of the Maker to rebuild Hawke? As Hawke wakes up they are greeted by some chantry people and then Varric walks in, "Surprise."

Stop playing ME2 too much

I couldn't resist. The game seems to be in this limbo for whose the PC going to be and so on. Cassandra will probably play more of a role. Things like that. Both the hero and champion missing? Just saying. Cassandra as a party member would already facilitate a warrior. Cullen would be a 2nd one. If the wiki is to be believed. Cassandra is looking for the Champion while Leliana is looking for an old ally. Read into that what you will.

[Selenora]

Torax wrote...

Selenora wrote...

Torax wrote...

A bit off topic. What if the Champion gets cut into little pieces and then the Divine calls on the powers of the Maker to rebuild Hawke? As Hawke wakes up they are greeted by some chantry people and then Varric walks in, "Surprise."

Stop playing ME2 too much

I couldn't resist. The game seems to be in this limbo for whose the PC going to be and so on. Cassandra will probably play more of a role. Things like that. Both the hero and champion missing? Just saying. Cassandra as a party member would already facilitate a warrior. Cullen would be a 2nd one. If the wiki is to be believed. Cassandra is looking for the Champion while Leliana is looking for an old ally. Read into that what you will.

and now i have this weird image in my head of the Champion and the Warden dead and brought back to life from pieces....even tho im sure i killed the b*** who did that to my mother.....

Arghhhh...i have to go to work...see you all later this evening

[Torax]

I'd be more curious as to who is Leliana hunting. Oghren, Sten, Zev, Morrigan or Wynne? The first 2 are warriors. Sten would be an interesting one though that would just be if there was some kind of Qunari subplot. Or is Leliana looking for Sketch or Finn. Sketch would be more likely. Unless she some how finds the trail to the Hero maybe ends at Finn.

Modifié par Torax, 30 mars 2011 - 07:45 .

[Jean]

Torax wrote...

I'd be more curious as to who is Leliana hunting. Oghren, Sten, Zev, Morrigan or Wynne? The first 2 are warriors. Sten would be an interesting one though that would just be if there was some kind of Qunari subplot. Or is Leliana looking for Sketch or Finn. Sketch would be more likely. Unless she some how finds the trail to the Hero maybe ends at Finn.

She was trying to track down the Warden.

[Selenora]

ohhh...im gonna be sooo late for work...but i had to share it with you...i had this image in my head of little cute Cullens running around in the courtyard, while he just stands there with a loving look on his face.....errr...this thread is not doing me any good to suppress my Cullen obsession lol
(and forgive me for any spelling mistakes but i have no time to check what i write right now lol)

[MorningBird]

Selenora wrote...

I didnt pay much attention to the end dialogue scene..but if the templars have left the Chantry to start a holy war against the mages (were they THAT pissed off? ) they will need a leader.......otherwise they will be a bunch of anorganised worriors ...and  why templars abandon the chantry to hunt  mages when they can do it from inside?

whatever the reason maybe Cullen is not one of them....but i dont think there will be a problem having him as a companion in DA3...he may be with the order trying to help avoid the war...or with the chantry for the same reason....as long as it is a companion i dont care whose side is he lol

Well, keep in mind that the templars weren't always an arm of the Chantry:

"In the days when the chantry was still young, templars were known as the 'Inquisition' and combed the land in search of all dangers to humanity--whether they came in the form of blood mages, abominations, cultists or heretics.  It was a dark and terrifying time in the history of Thedas, and one that only ended when the chantry convinced the Inquisition to unite under the banner of their common faith.  The name of the order changed, and their purpose became that of guardian and warden rather than hunter." (From the DA wiki)

So... looks like mages aren't the only ones who struck 'fear' into the hearts of the people back in the days of old. ;D

My assumption is that the templars split from the chantry due to a conflict of interest (the majority of templars wanting to go to war with the rebel mages and regain control of the circles, whereas the chantry wants to resolve things peacefully.)

So basically, the templars saw a need to return to their old role as 'Inquisitors', but as Cassandra and Varric point out, not all of them.  Some (like Cassandra and Leliana) remain faithful to the chantry and the Divine.

I wouldn't be surprised if Cullen also remained with the chantry, but admit he could easily go either way.

Here's the video, if anyone's interested.  Skip to the 2:47 mark.

Modifié par MorningBird, 30 mars 2011 - 08:21 .

[namedforthemoon]

I wonder why Cullen has such dark circles under his eyes. Is it stress? Lack of sleep? His addiction to lyrium? It would be terrible if he ended up a raving lunatic like that one templar in Howe's dungeon, or if he ended up like Samson, a husk of man, doing his duty so he can get his next fix.

[_- Songlian -]

I'm so late for the party, but yes, Cullen as a LI, please. Especially the new and improved Cullen -- i.e. less crazy, more hot.

@ namedforthemoon: I'm guessing it's stress. Not sure about his actual age, but since he was a novice (more or less) during the Mage Origin, it can't be that long since he's taken lyrium. But who knows.

[Elysis]

namedforthemoon wrote...

I wonder why Cullen has such dark circles under his eyes. Is it stress? Lack of sleep? His addiction to lyrium? It would be terrible if he ended up a raving lunatic like that one templar in Howe's dungeon, or if he ended up like Samson, a husk of man, doing his duty so he can get his next fix.

Probably all of that. He seems to be a very dedicated man and I really see him going over paperwork (vellumwork?) for hours on end during the night, with only a few candles lit on pile of books on his desk.
As for the addiction to Lyrium... Well that's actually something the developpers could... developpe? As a subplot to his story.
Though him going into withdrawal would be.. 

[ThatDancingTurian]

It's sad to think Cullen will eventually turn into either Samson or that old templar in the Denerim Chantry who is so addled he can't even speak properly.

Modifié par Aris Ravenstar, 30 mars 2011 - 11:11 .

[Selenora]

Batteries wrote...

Torax wrote...

I'd be more curious as to who is Leliana hunting. Oghren, Sten, Zev, Morrigan or Wynne? The first 2 are warriors. Sten would be an interesting one though that would just be if there was some kind of Qunari subplot. Or is Leliana looking for Sketch or Finn. Sketch would be more likely. Unless she some how finds the trail to the Hero maybe ends at Finn.

She was trying to track down the Warden.

and if the Warden made the US???

[Jean]

Selenora wrote...

Batteries wrote...

Torax wrote...

I'd be more curious as to who is Leliana hunting. Oghren, Sten, Zev, Morrigan or Wynne? The first 2 are warriors. Sten would be an interesting one though that would just be if there was some kind of Qunari subplot. Or is Leliana looking for Sketch or Finn. Sketch would be more likely. Unless she some how finds the trail to the Hero maybe ends at Finn.

She was trying to track down the Warden.

and if the Warden made the US???

Orlesian Warden.
Or a bug.

Modifié par Batteries, 30 mars 2011 - 02:20 .

[Selenora]

MorningBird wrote...

Selenora wrote...

I didnt pay much attention to the end dialogue scene..but if the templars have left the Chantry to start a holy war against the mages (were they THAT pissed off? ) they will need a leader.......otherwise they will be a bunch of anorganised worriors ...and  why templars abandon the chantry to hunt  mages when they can do it from inside?

whatever the reason maybe Cullen is not one of them....but i dont think there will be a problem having him as a companion in DA3...he may be with the order trying to help avoid the war...or with the chantry for the same reason....as long as it is a companion i dont care whose side is he lol

Well, keep in mind that the templars weren't always an arm of the Chantry:

"In the days when the chantry was still young, templars were known as the 'Inquisition' and combed the land in search of all dangers to humanity--whether they came in the form of blood mages, abominations, cultists or heretics.  It was a dark and terrifying time in the history of Thedas, and one that only ended when the chantry convinced the Inquisition to unite under the banner of their common faith.  The name of the order changed, and their purpose became that of guardian and warden rather than hunter." (From the DA wiki)

So... looks like mages aren't the only ones who struck 'fear' into the hearts of the people back in the days of old. ;D

My assumption is that the templars split from the chantry due to a conflict of interest (the majority of templars wanting to go to war with the rebel mages and regain control of the circles, whereas the chantry wants to resolve things peacefully.)

So basically, the templars saw a need to return to their old role as 'Inquisitors', but as Cassandra and Varric point out, not all of them.  Some (like Cassandra and Leliana) remain faithful to the chantry and the Divine.

I wouldn't be surprised if Cullen also remained with the chantry, but admit he could easily go either way.

Here's the video, if anyone's interested.  Skip to the 2:47 mark.

thanks for the info

I was watching the vid again and again....
I love the look he gives you ( i mean hawke) at 1:07...its not a look of a frightened man....its a look of a man pointering  the situation...he backs off coz he does not want to give the other templars any reason to attack you

i still think he can be a potential companion without being out of character

that speaking....plz Bioware....do not add Cullen in any DLC or game from now on...plz......let him be......

And that coming from a woman that adores him .....

Let me explain......im afraid.....no...im terrified.....of what they intend to do with him.....they made him LIKABLE.....even ppl that hated him before find him now reasonable, cute, whatever....and that makes me veeeeeeery suspicious....we have a saying here: beware the Greek bearing gifts.......and the Greek at this situation are Bioware.....so..if they intend to bring him back only for him to meet a horible end or break our hearts..let him be...... i can live happily ever after knowing he's ok.....

Btw.....
woman single......(blah...blah blah...) seeking for a silent but strong, sensitive, cute, trustworthy, Cullen looking man with GE voice......stuttering is optional .... (sorry couldnt resist :innocent:)

[Selenora]

Batteries wrote...

Selenora wrote...

Batteries wrote...

Torax wrote...

I'd be more curious as to who is Leliana hunting. Oghren, Sten, Zev, Morrigan or Wynne? The first 2 are warriors. Sten would be an interesting one though that would just be if there was some kind of Qunari subplot. Or is Leliana looking for Sketch or Finn. Sketch would be more likely. Unless she some how finds the trail to the Hero maybe ends at Finn.

She was trying to track down the Warden.

and if the Warden made the US???

Orlesian Warden.
Or a bug.

Propably the Warden Commander...whoever he/she may be

[Ghrelt]

There is such a thing as a recovering addict. I would assume it might be possible to help Cullen become one of those. And Varric said at the end that the Templars rebelled as well. Perhaps he meant that many Templars disagreed with the harsh treatment of mages and left the Chantry to side with the mages?

[aluanira]

I didn't read this entire thread but just want to add my support for Cullen as a romanceable option for DLC or an expansion. I liked him in DAO (except when he went crazy) and I like him even more in DA2.

[Selenora]

aluanira wrote...

I didn't read this entire thread but just want to add my support for Cullen as a romanceable option for DLC or an expansion. I liked him in DAO (except when he went crazy) and I like him even more in DA2.

the more the better ))
I think we should arange Cullen parties every Friday night...... free lyrium for all ))
and we could dance naked under the moonlight....just for scientistic puproses..to see how much it will take Culen to tottally go insane or...you know....resist ))

[Elysis]

Ellythe wrote...

There is such a thing as a recovering addict. I would assume it might be possible to help Cullen become one of those. And Varric said at the end that the Templars rebelled as well. Perhaps he meant that many Templars disagreed with the harsh treatment of mages and left the Chantry to side with the mages?

But would Cullen be one of these templars? Throughout DA:O AND DA2, you see that Cullen is very devoted to the chantry and to their cause. He believes to his CORE that the circle is a necessity, as is the rite of Tranquility, and so on. 
So unless what happened at Kirkwall changed the views that shaped his whole being... I mean yes, it probably will make his opinions evolve, but so much so that he ends up siding with the mages? I don't think so.

[namedforthemoon]

I wonder if one of the devs is reading this thread, rubbing his/her hands together and thinking, "Yes, my evil plan is working! Muah! Muah! Muahaha!!"

[leggywillow]

namedforthemoon wrote...

I wonder if one of the devs is reading this thread, rubbing his/her hands together and thinking, "Yes, my evil plan is working! Muah! Muah! Muahaha!!"

Oh I hope so.  I really, really hope so.

Cullen is awesome.  Greg Ellis is awesome.  MOAR!

[Elysis]