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[Danathyr]

So many people in the Dragon Age seemed to be forced into their "callings" for one reason or another (including mages not having choice over being mages) that it would be nice to know that Cullen had chosen his path.

Mage-hating maybe got him approved by Meredith, but I'm not sure that lack of mage-hating was the reason why he didn't rise through the ranks at the Ferelden circle. Maybe he was on the young side, or maybe he was on the way up anyway. I wonder if there was any significance in him being chosen to do away with the player's mage at the harrowing. Was it a test? Had somebody noticed that he had inappropriate feelings for the mage and wanted to test his resolve? Or was he just chosen because he was known to be reliable - from what he says, he would have killed the mage if he had to. It would have been to risky to have somebody who didn't have that conviction.

He does seem to hate mages when the warden sees him again (and the epilogue can bear that out), but at that point, he has good reason to be wary. I imagine that even the fact that he stayed alive kept his resolve through that incident helped him to be promoted in Ferelden. I think he's a strong character (even though he's seen as a wibbling wreck - he's a living wibbling wreck, still fighting and resisting all the way).

For him to become knight captain to Meredith, though, it does look as if he had a reputation for mage-hating, or at least, that his views were at odds with the Ferelden circle.

Modifié par Danathyr, 02 avril 2011 - 06:34 .

[Camenae]

If people can say, "I get why Fenris hates mages because of how he suffered at their hands," then I don't get why they don't see that for Cullen? After all, Uldred and his posse locked Cullen up and tortured him for we don't know how long. If you compare the two, I actually think Cullen came out to be the less fanatic one...?

[ThatDancingTurian]

Camenae wrote...

If people can say, "I get why Fenris hates mages because of how he suffered at their hands," then I don't get why they don't see that for Cullen? After all, Uldred and his posse locked Cullen up and tortured him for we don't know how long. If you compare the two, I actually think Cullen came out to be the less fanatic one...?

Fenris lived in a world where mages were free to choose and watched the vast majority choose corruption and evil. That is why he is justified, because it wasn't an isolated event or a single mage or one bad experience. It was years of watching people do awful things simply because they had the power to and that power came from magic. He's hardly a fanatic, he simply has years of experience telling him to be afraid.

Cullen on the other hand lived with a bunch of mages who showed themselves to be normal, decent people for the majority, until a small group staged a coupe and turned to dark magics. And I might be misremembering, but I thought most of his torment came at the hands of demons those mages unleashed, not at the hands of mages themselves choosing to torture him out of sheer human cruelty.

I'm not saying it was a horrible ordeal and I agree it's a miracle he didn't come out a raving lunatic, but I hardly see how one situation has anything to do with the other aside from them both involving mages. I don't think either of them hates mages. They both have an acute and justified fear of magic.

A key difference between them is that Cullen is in a position to feel safe in the Gallows surrounded by his peers. Cullen feels he is in control of his situation now and that gives him calm. Mages gained the upper-hand on him once, but for Fenris that used to be his entire world.

[Danathyr]

Camenae wrote...

If people can say, "I get why Fenris hates mages because of how he suffered at their hands," then I don't get why they don't see that for Cullen? After all, Uldred and his posse locked Cullen up and tortured him for we don't know how long. If you compare the two, I actually think Cullen came out to be the less fanatic one...?

I think both Fenris and Cullen have good evidence and personal experience to support their points of view.   The events of DA2 seem to back them up rather than prove them wrong.  I agree that Cullen seems the less fanatical.  The treatment of mages in Kirkwall is starting to verge on too extreme for Cullen, but still not extreme enough for Fenris.  But both have good reasons to feel the way they do.

One of the big pro-mage arguments in Kirkwall seems to be that because the mages are over-controlled and badly treated, they end up being driven to rebel, and that's what causes the problems.   But Cullen has seen what happened at Ferelden, with a lighter regime than in Kirkwall. 

I don't get the impression that Cullen wants revenge on mages for what happened to him.  I think he still believes that he's doing the right thing.  

Modifié par Danathyr, 02 avril 2011 - 07:27 .

[Kriselia]

Danathyr wrote...

Mage-hating maybe got him approved by Meredith, but I'm not sure that lack of mage-hating was the reason why he didn't rise through the ranks at the Ferelden circle. Maybe he was on the young side, or maybe he was on the way up anyway. I wonder if there was any significance in him being chosen to do away with the player's mage at the harrowing. Was it a test? Had somebody noticed that he had inappropriate feelings for the mage and wanted to test his resolve? Or was he just chosen because he was known to be reliable - from what he says, he would have killed the mage if he had to. It would have been to risky to have somebody who didn't have that conviction.

True, the Fereldan circle seemed rather lax on how mages and templar interact, my favourite examples are the whole "Talk to Bran, he's the chatty one." templar duo and the way Finn and Hadley talk in Witch Hunt
Maybe it was Cullen's first Harrowing btw? He's never seen a failed one atleast, and there are 3 other templars present so him losing his nerve wouldn't be too much of a disaster.
Harrowings don't seem to be a very common occurence, so PC!Mage's test might've been the first chance for him to even attend one.

He does seem to hate mages when the warden sees him again (and the epilogue can bear that out), but at that point, he has good reason to be wary. I imagine that even the fact that he stayed alive kept his resolve through that incident helped him to be promoted in Ferelden. I think he's a strong character (even though he's seen as a wibbling wreck - he's a living wibbling wreck, still fighting and resisting all the way).

He's definitely awesome, by the time you reach the tower the situation's been going for a minimum of a couple of weeks. I don't think he himself realizes just how much character that must have taken (Sten notices though ^^)

Greagoir atleast had the good sense to send him to Greenfel to clear his head, but I wonder who's bright idea it was to then post him at the single most maleficar-infested place outside of the Imperium?

[Galagraphia]

 Some time ago I made a little comic about Cullen childhood. (Hell, it looks so bad now)
I thought it was definitely his own decision to become a templar, because you can't be so devout and solid if you don't believe that what you are doing is right. I like how his attitude towards mages change from "Aww, poor mages!" to "KILL THEM ALL" and then to something reasonable.
BTW, I think that he was so crazy and hysterical in that cage because of lyrium withdrawal. Then he came out, drank a big blue bottle and said: "Ok, not ALL mages are bad, some are nice people. Amell is still cool!"

[GabranthSG]

Wasn't Cullen supposed to be **** crazy at the end of DA:O? Either that or he became Knight Commander after Gregoir? That was a problem I had when I first saw him in this game, I was like what happened to the epilogue man...

[Jean]

Dylandl wrote...

Wasn't Cullen supposed to be **** crazy at the end of DA:O? Either that or he became Knight Commander after Gregoir? That was a problem I had when I first saw him in this game, I was like what happened to the epilogue man...

A wizard did it.

[Galagraphia]

Dylandl wrote...

Wasn't Cullen supposed to be **** crazy at the end of DA:O? Either that or he became Knight Commander after Gregoir? That was a problem I had when I first saw him in this game, I was like what happened to the epilogue man...

The epilogue was written by Leliana, she changed a few things she didn't like to make a better story 
She loves doing that, just talk to poor Sketch in the act 2 

[Caja]

Dylandl wrote...

Wasn't Cullen supposed to be **** crazy at the end of DA:O? Either that or he became Knight Commander after Gregoir? That was a problem I had when I first saw him in this game, I was like what happened to the epilogue man...

I believe he only goes crazy after the king/queen grants  the circle independence in DAO, which doesn't happen unless you play a mage and do the ultimate sacrifice or you ask for it when the boon is offered. Most likely it is this, that drives him over the edge: independent, uncontrolled mages running around everywhere while he had to suffer badly because of Uldred's little revolution. But since the chantry rejects the concept of "let's give the mages their freedom", Cullen doesn't go crazy.

Modifié par Caja, 02 avril 2011 - 11:01 .

[Selenora]

Caja wrote...

Dylandl wrote...

Wasn't Cullen supposed to be **** crazy at the end of DA:O? Either that or he became Knight Commander after Gregoir? That was a problem I had when I first saw him in this game, I was like what happened to the epilogue man...

I believe he only goes crazy after the king/queen grants  the circle independence in DAO, which doesn't happen unless you play a mage and do the ultimate sacrifice or you ask for it when the boon is offered.

That.
and we need some more Cullen awesomeness

[Selenora]

XBeth wrote...

But that is my fav so far:wub::wub:

[Elysis]

Selenora wrote...

Had to repost that one:wub:
CULLEN IN ALL HIS MANLY MANLINESS! RAWR!

[thesnowtigress]

I have nothing against Cullen, but if he were to be a LI in DA3, then he would be another blondie!!! Seriously, Alistair, Zevran, Anders, all blondes! And Fenris, well if he takes after his sister then he used to be a redhead! Where is tall, dark, and handsome!?! Where is this (in pixel form):


just as an example off the top of my head.

[Elysis]

Well I know of a handsome dark-haired hottie in Mass Effect.....

[Galagraphia]

Well, BioWare changed his hair once, they can do it again. He'll be the fancy knight, who cares how he looks XD Mmm, dark-haired Cullen...

[Caja]

No, that would be wrong. I would really hate it if he had dark hair suddenly. I think it would better work in that case to add another companion with dark hair.

And Isabela and Morrigan both have dark hair. Not all companions are blondies .

@ Selenora: The second picture is awesome.

Modifié par Caja, 02 avril 2011 - 06:25 .

[Serelir]

In the very beginning of the mage story in DAO, two apprentices gossip about Cullen giving your female mage character preferential treatment. But that might have been added by the Cullen romance mod.

Speaking of hair color, I added a mod to give Zevran dark hair and a roguish goatee. But I prefer Cullen as a blond. How old is Fenris supposed to be? I just thought he had white hair, not that it had gone gray. Though maybe the lyrium tattoos are responsible.

[Fault Girl]

When I played a mage in DA:O I really wished we could have had a little loving with Cullen, since he had a crush and then they make him even hotter in DA2.

All I want is a kiss, or a wink *sigh*

[Elysis]

@Tuilinn : I think it's due to the lyrium. After all his sister had red hair.

@Zombie : I want smexy timz!

[Kriselia]

Tuilinn Celeborne wrote...

In the very beginning of the mage story in DAO, two apprentices gossip about Cullen giving your female mage character preferential treatment. But that might have been added by the Cullen romance mod.

Hmm, d'you mean this one?
If so, this is in the original game already.

[DamnThoseDisplayNames]

So gals got an anime white haired emo (who is gay, which is "HOT!"), an unshaved abomination with adore to kittens (who is gay, which is "HOT!"), and not a zero.. not one.. but TWO lesbians (one sl** and one teenager, which is..), but.. they still want a stoic straight blondie in shining armor who actually has a sense of justice and makes choices for himself instead of crying on dat ladyHawke shoulders?

Oh, the all enigmatic women psychology!

Modifié par DamnThoseDisplayNames, 02 avril 2011 - 09:38 .

[ThatDancingTurian]

DamnThoseDisplayNames wrote...

So gals got an anime white haired emo (who is gay, which is "HOT!"), an unshaved abomination with adore to kittens (who is gay, which is "HOT!"), and not a zero.. not one.. but TWO lesbians (one sl** and one teenager, which is..), but.. they still want a stoic straight blondie in shining armor who actually has a sense of justice and makes choices for himself instead of crying on dat ladyHawke shoulders?

Oh, the all enigmatic women psychology!

Uh, what point were you trying to make? Because this post makes no sense.

[TripLight]

Aris Ravenstar wrote...

DamnThoseDisplayNames wrote...

So gals got an anime white haired emo (who is gay, which is "HOT!"), an unshaved abomination with adore to kittens (who is gay, which is "HOT!"), and not a zero.. not one.. but TWO lesbians (one sl** and one teenager, which is..), but.. they still want a stoic straight blondie in shining armor who actually has a sense of justice and makes choices for himself instead of crying on dat ladyHawke shoulders?

Oh, the all enigmatic women psychology!

Uh, what point were you trying to make? Because this post makes no sense.

[Elysis]

Trollin' !

Edit : ninja'd by Triplight 

Modifié par Elysis, 02 avril 2011 - 09:52 .