1890 réponses à ce sujet

[R2s Muse]

Ah, that's great to hear, Bekkael. I'll have to try out my Anders LI Hawke. The banters in this one are great!

I agree that, playing Legacy in Act 3, Carver does seem to have grown up and it's nice to see. I always found him rather vexing in Act 1.

But no Cullen. *sigh* I was hoping in vain for maybe some mention of him by templar Carver, but no, just an oblique reference to Meredith.

Edit for top: (Cullen's pensive face when trying to explain how no one really understands Meredith...)

Modifié par R2s Muse, 27 juillet 2011 - 06:31 .

[Galagraphia]

 I was busy with Legacy too. And I'm a bit in love with Larius. But now I'm defending the Gallows again and waiting for some glorious Cullen moment:
 

(while the picture from the previous page got featured in BioWare fanart gallery! Excuse me, I'm going to squee somewhere all night!)

[R2s Muse]

Galagraphia wrote...

<snip>

(while the picture from the previous page got featured in BioWare fanart gallery! Excuse me, I'm going to squee somewhere all night!)

Ah, Gala, somehow I missed it the first time through the pics. Threw it a like! Congrats for being featured!

[Galagraphia]

@R2, thank you!

Oh, I just tried to convince Cullen to expell Wilmond from the templars. Cullen was... cruel. The entire scene was so heartbreaking that I had to reload. I like Cullen better when he wants to coexist with mages. He's so sweet when he says he'll try to find a solution I think I'm not tough enough to be pro-templar.

[R2s Muse]

@Gala - yeah, pro-templar was hard. I think you mean Keran instead of Wilmod? But, yeah, for my pro-templar achievement I ended up skipping that one and letting Keran stay with the templars. Cullen IS so harsh...

[Galagraphia]

Ooops, yes, Keran of course. I felt like I was butchering a puppy And ruined completely the lives of two nice kids
Cullen totally turned his post-Uldred paranoid templar on. I don't think it was healthy for him too. He seemed like he had a flash back, because the change in his attitude was very sudden.

[Illusionary Ennui]

@Gala... Makes me glad that I use my rogue queen playthrough for imports... although, there's more to his story if you import a mage playthrough. *sighs* But I don't want to restart my canon playthrough... oh Cullen, this is why he needs more love before he goes completely off the deep-end where there's no return.

[R2s Muse]

Illusionary Ennui wrote...

@Gala... Makes me glad that I use my rogue queen playthrough for imports... although, there's more to his story if you import a mage playthrough. *sighs* But I don't want to restart my canon playthrough... oh Cullen, this is why he needs more love before he goes completely off the deep-end where there's no return.

LOL - this! Nothing love of a good woman can't cure...

But, I didn't think that your import affected Cullen's actions so much, does it? I mostly found that his attitude changed based on what I said to him. He was all "rawr, mages aren't people" if I tried to say pro-templar things to him, but if I stood up for mages and told him "there has to be a  better way" he got all reasonable (because, obviously, I'm SO persuasive, and he MUST love me! ). I don't have any mage origins to import either, although all of mine saved the circle (?).

[Galagraphia]

Cullen's paranoia doesn't depend on the Origin, I think.. He got it thanks to Uldred. So which savegame you used for DAII is not important. So far the only difference I noticed is that if your warden was an Amell, Cullen will remember her/him. I think what happened to Fereldan Circle doesn't matter too. Cullen only says that Annulment was justified then, but he doesn't say whether it actually happened or not.

[Illusionary Ennui]

*shrugs* You're probably right... but yes, there is definitely a difference been being pro-templar or pro-mages with him... surprisingly, I have yet to make a complete pro-templar playthrough, although, I am working on one... for canon purposes... as a mage...

[Bekkael]

Cullen mentioned knowing a special Amell woman on my Queen Cousland import too, so I think you get that line regardless. The main difference I noticed when importing a Warden Amell, was Mother Hawke talking about her cousin Revka having lost her children to a circle. I don't remeber that tidbit from my Cous import...

Harsh Cullen makes me sad. He was much kinder on all my mage sympathetic playthroughs. I've only done one playthrough with a red response/cruel Hawke. My evil!Warrior Hawke was awful, but on good terms with Cullen and sided with the templars at every opportunity. She handed Isabela over to the Arishok, tattled on Anders to Cullen, executed Anders and Bethany (but I had to reload that bit) and romanced Fenris. Also advised Cullen to oust Keran. She was also cruel to Merrill and even rude to Varric. I hated her, and everything she stood for. My canon characters are usually angel/diplomatic, although I like playing as snarky/sarcastic too!

When you get Keran kicked out of the Order, his other sister, (not Macha) who is a mercenary attacks you later in the game. Keran is so nice, I hate to do that to him. He deserves love too. I want to build a happy place in my head for my favorite templars- Thrask, Keran, Cullen. They need a murder-knife option for Grace. I despise that wench.

[Galagraphia]

@Bekkael, odd. My first imported save was with queen Cousland too, and Cullen didn't mention Amell, maybe you had a glitch? I have a lot of them, but mostly about my Awakening choices.
Oh, poor little Keran. Did he join anti-Meredith plot even expelled from the templars? Do you know what's happened to him after Cullen kicked him out?

[R2s Muse]

@Bekkael, ouch, that must have been hard. I tried...and had to give up on that PT after a while. Although a few "agressive" lines are so funny, it was hard alienating so many characters that I adore. I may have to go back to it.

Also, I didn't get the Amell line with my Cousland import either, or any other. Makes me want to get the mod and create a fake import to set all the flags I want (like Nathaniel=alive, which I never get).

I've also been wondering about Keran. I read in the wiki that if you let him stay with Templars, he eventually leaves Kirkwall after Best Served Cold. Dunno what happens if he's expelled.

Finally, we need more Cullen pics!!

[Bekkael]

Galagraphia wrote...

@Bekkael, odd. My first imported save was with queen Cousland too, and Cullen didn't mention Amell, maybe you had a glitch? I have a lot of them, but mostly about my Awakening choices.
Oh, poor little Keran. Did he join anti-Meredith plot even expelled from the templars? Do you know what's happened to him after Cullen kicked him out?

Glitches abounded for me too, so probably. No matter what Warden I imported, Cullen always mentioned Amell after I came back from the Deep Roads. Anders (or was it Nate?) babbled on about the Warden Commander letting the Architect live. I kept screaming at the television that I killed the ruddy blighter! Terribly annoying, that.

Let's see, you know I can't recall everything that happens when you get poor Keran booted out. I only did it once on the evil playthrough (which is how I think of my siding-with-templars Hawke). I only remember his other sis taking issue with it and trying to kill Hawke. I don't think I saw Keran again, but I can't be sure. I've played through DA2 six full times now, mostly as a revolutionary mage! Of course I'm not obsessed!

[R2s Muse]

@Bekk - Heh, wish that was a glitch I'd had!

So, here's something I've been thinking about, and maybe y'all have, too, at some point. Why exactly does Cullen kneel down in front of Hawke after she sides with the templars and defeats Meredith?

It's certainly dramatic and, dare I say, romantic, from a certain point of view. But, she isn't viscountess yet, and just a few short moments ago he was going to arrest her. Is it... just respect? Is he manipulating the rest of the templars (who are clearly following his lead, with a collective "WTF" bubble above their heads)? And, even if she was suddenly made Viscountess, would the templars bow down to a civilian authority? Other thoughts?

[Galagraphia]

I don't know. In the epilogue Cassandra implies that Hawke is some sort of a symbol to the templars now, they respect her and stuff. And Varric says that the entire city begged Hawke to become a viscount. Maybe Cullen was the first one who started? I hate that bow so much! Cullen should be in charge of everything and approve the new viscount! So Hawke should bow and ask: "Can I please be a viscount? Pretty please???" And Cullen then can agree (or tell Hawke to go away ). Maybe it's just another liberty Varric took with the story. I don't believe it really happened.

[Heidenreich]

Galagraphia wrote...

Cullen's paranoia doesn't depend on the Origin, I think.. He got it thanks to Uldred. So which savegame you used for DAII is not important. So far the only difference I noticed is that if your warden was an Amell, Cullen will remember her/him. I think what happened to Fereldan Circle doesn't matter too. Cullen only says that Annulment was justified then, but he doesn't say whether it actually happened or not.

He does. In my Amell playthrough I annulled the circle. In my DA2 sacve he makes mention of the whole circle being annuled. It happens when you first run into him and you select "Not all mages are like that" or some such simmilar.

[jamesp81]

I appreciate that he changed near the end of DA2, I'm having a hard time forgiving him or any of the templars for their complicity in years of tyranny in the Kirkwall circle. I don't know that I'll ever forgive him for saying things like "you can't treat mages like real people". If he's in DA3 I'll work with him as necessary, but if he even so much as looks cross-wise at my sister or my LI (Merrill) I will kill him and not think twice.

In fact, for his own sake, he should probably quit the templars and find a new line of work. I hear the Grey Wardens could always use some help.

[Andromedaae]

 @R2s Muse
Thanks for the link!
I remember that now. Definitely adorable 

And about the bow he does... it's weird. I love it but I admit it is somewhat irksome. I guess Bioware didn't want an authoriative figure to upstage the PC in any way. So they made Cullen fight for you rather than with you?
My mind is fuzzy on the details. I haven't played DA2 for a long time.  I'm just finished an ME/2 playthrough right now. Going to play through it again this summer.

Modifié par Andromedaae, 01 août 2011 - 03:51 .

[Lisa_H]

I like the bow scene. It felt a bit strange when I played as a mage Hawke who sided with the templars. First they invoke the right of annulment, then they bow before a mage and make her viscountess. But there is an irony in that that I like.

[R2s Muse]

jamesp81 wrote...

I appreciate that he changed near the end of DA2, I'm having a hard time forgiving him or any of the templars for their complicity in years of tyranny in the Kirkwall circle. I don't know that I'll ever forgive him for saying things like "you can't treat mages like real people". If he's in DA3 I'll work with him as necessary, but if he even so much as looks cross-wise at my sister or my LI (Merrill) I will kill him and not think twice.

In fact, for his own sake, he should probably quit the templars and find a new line of work. I hear the Grey Wardens could always use some help.

Indeed, some of the things he says are rather harsh, although apparently the degree of this seems to depend somewhat on how you interact with him. He gets squishier if  you're more pro-mage. But, he also has gone through quite a bit. His torture in the Ferelden Circle was pretty extreme. Given that, he is much more reasonable in general than the apparently crazy-ass murder-spree templar he was supposed to have been in DA:O's epilogue if you saved the Circle. I'm glad they evolved his character in general, but I also appreciate that they included the influence of his harrowing background in his attitude. He should still be torn about mages, even if he tends to fall in love with them...

For these reasons, Cullen seems to be a bit polarizing for some folks. I still prefer the notion that he did quit the templars and now lives in some mage-protecting love commune out in the Wilds. <3:police:

[Bekkael]

R2s Muse wrote...
 I still prefer the notion that he did quit the templars and now lives in some mage-protecting love commune out in the Wilds. <3:police:

That sounds like a story prompt waiting to happen, R2. Are we talking Hippie!Cullen? With flowers behind his ears and barefoot. Make love, not war!

Personally, I loved the bow. It gave me shivers. It all plays very nicely into my head canon that there was so much more between F!Hawke and Cullen. All behind the scenes, of course. Varric clearly had no idea, or he was giving out misinformation to prevent rumors about a Viscount-mage and the new head of the templars in Kirkwall dallying together.

It could have also just been a knight's respect for another powerful fighter, and Hawke being willing to stand up to Meredith when Cullen held up his hands and backed down when she brandished her lyrium-saber. 

[R2s Muse]

Heh, I love the bow, too, which is why I'm thinking about it.  I don't know that it makes a whole lotta sense unless there was something a bit more significant going on there between him and Hawke. Minus the secret love angle, I'm also figuring it has to be some kind of respect on the battlefield thing, that he is just SO moved by her awesomeness. I mean, she did just kick his boss's butt -- in some sense, she should be Queen of the Templars now.

But, I hadn't thought about the Varric angle, tho. That may be the most likely explanation - that it's just dramatic license, that sneaky guy.

Bekkael wrote...

R2s Muse wrote...
 I still prefer the notion that he did quit the templars and now lives in some mage-protecting love commune out in the Wilds. <3:police:

That sounds like a story prompt waiting to happen, R2. Are we talking Hippie!Cullen? With flowers behind his ears and barefoot. Make love, not war!

LOL, if anyone could write it, Bekkael, it's  you!  I was thinking less hippie flowers and more barefoot forest-living ala the Dalish. Templars and mages, living together, hiding from the man the Seekers. Everyone's kissing everyone. It's like the Ferelden Circle meets Lost.

Modifié par R2s Muse, 02 août 2011 - 02:45 .

[Todd23]

Why haven't we been allowed to kill him? Even if they plan on making him a companion, can't they just pretend you didn't kil him, like a few people that were in DA2? There is no one I want dead more.

[Galagraphia]

As much as I want it, I doubt Cullen would quit the templars. Not after his line: "That's what being a templar is about". The way he says it leaves no doubt that the order is his life. But from the way Cassandra speaks with Varric I got the impression that she didn't talk to Cullen. She seemed so surprised that Meredith was "the one to blame". I think interrogating a templar who opposed his commander would be the first thing to do, but she didn't do it. Does it mean she couldn't find Cullen? Or nobody believed him when he said Meredith was mad and sort of possessed? What if Chantry arrested him for insubordination? Or maybe he was one of those templars who rebelled against the Chantry? Because we all know initially the Maker's knights didn't follow the orders of the clergy and weren't controlled by lyrium. Cullen could join the rebellion to restore the Order's old glory.