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[Illusionary Ennui]

Galagraphia wrote...

Jennifer Hepler wrote me back!  

I can't answer these, because I'm on maternity leave right now, so I'm not up on what is currently being decided about the character. But rest assured, you will learn what happens to him post-Meredith.

At least that's some comfort.

EDIT: Hmm... page 53... I'm beginning to see a pattern to my posting habits.

Modifié par Illusionary Ennui, 08 août 2011 - 05:37 .

[Galagraphia]

Because!

[Yankee23]

Galagraphia wrote...

Jennifer Hepler wrote me back!  

I can't answer these, because I'm on maternity leave right now, so I'm not up on what is currently being decided about the character. But rest assured, you will learn what happens to him post-Meredith.

Maybe we will hear more about Cullen if the new DLC about Sebastian tells what happened after the Chantry was destroyed? Or the anime about Cassandra will reveal it? Or the third book? 

I'm so excited now. Damn you, Dragon Age, you are like my personal brand of lyrium! *dies*

This just made my day!

[Aeowyn]

Galagraphia wrote...

Jennifer Hepler wrote me back!  

I can't answer these, because I'm on maternity leave right now, so I'm not up on what is currently being decided about the character. But rest assured, you will learn what happens to him post-Meredith.

Maybe we will hear more about Cullen if the new DLC about Sebastian tells what happened after the Chantry was destroyed? Or the anime about Cassandra will reveal it? Or the third book? 

I'm so excited now. Damn you, Dragon Age, you are like my personal brand of lyrium! *dies*

:3

[Ryzaki]

Yay! More Cullen

[Vaeya]

Oh dear. Looks like I'm part of the heresy too! XD I quite like the voiced PC. The silence in Origins and lifelessness was just unbearable. Hawke felt more lifelike, though I would love if you had the option to change the voice! :3 Like, higher/lower etc, or different types... Like what they had for Origins, only instead for the whole came, not just battle. XD

@Gala- Yay! owo That's so great to hear! >w< I'm excited, now! Haha, I agree, Dragon Age is just as bad as lyrium addiction, if not worse. XD

It's also good to hear that his character is being 'worked on.' This means he won't just disappear, that he'll be appearing again. Hopefully that just means he'll be a companion~ *squee* x3

....That picture. I love it! XD Hahahaha I'll be back... good one. =w=

[Avilia]

@Gala Nice one! Both the reply from Ms Hepler and the pic ;-)

I've noticed Cullen generating a bit of interest in other parts of this forum lately - both negative and positive. I'd think a character that has the ability to polarise the player base deserves more screen time, much more, heaps more, so much...more.

Modifié par Avilia, 08 août 2011 - 09:08 .

[Bekkael]

Avilia wrote...I've noticed Cullen generating a bit of interest in other parts of this forum lately - both negative and positive. I'd think a character that has the ability to polarise the player base deserves more screen time, much more, heaps more, so much...more.

QFT!

Gala, that pic is a scream. So. much. cute.

[Illusionary Ennui]

@Avilia - I wholehearted agree with you. Good or bad, he has an impact.

[Vaeya]

@Avilia- Oh Maker, yes! I totally agree! Especially if DA 3 will be about the rift between Templars/Mages/Chantry etc. He'll fit right in... and as a companion... It would all work so well. TwT One can hope!

[R2s Muse]

OMG, Gala that's awesome! Thanks and best wishes to Jennifer Hepler. I'm glad we'll get some kind of continuance of his story... whatever form that may take. I do hope that he would figure in any upcoming templar-mage war kind of story, but at the very least I'd like to know a few simple things like... which of the many sides he ended up on after Act 3.

@Avilia, I had been noticing those other threads as well. I think you're right that it's the sign of a good character that he can be polarizing. Altho it does make me want to wade in... LOL

[Avilia]

@R2s Muse - I resist the temptation to join the discussions in those threads. I see it as an unwinnable argument. In the same way the Mage/Templar conflict is an unwinnable argument or the Fenris/Anders conflict is unwinnable.

Dialogue that I think is nuanced is taken as literal "Mages cannot be treated like people. They're not like you and I". To me that doesn't mean "Mages aren't people (full stop)" but that "Mages are human but as they have dangerous abilities and the propensity to summon demons I think they ought be watched. Carefully. This may help us avoid me, and others, being locked up in a magical cage and tortured in the future."

It also needs to be taken into account that Cullen is probably suffering PTSD at the stage of the game. It hasn't been that long since the events at the Circle in Ferelden.

Eh, there I go no doubt about to get myself in trouble ;-) Anyway what is it they say "any publicity is good publicity", so discussions that keep Cullen in the 'news' is good for us fans in the long run imho.

[Ryzaki]

Not to mention...you can't treat a mage like a normal person. Thrask's daughter proves that. They tried to kidnap her like they would a normal civilian girl. Unsurprisingly it backfired astronomically.

[R2s Muse]

Avilia wrote...

@R2s Muse - I resist the temptation to join the discussions in those threads. I see it as an unwinnable argument. In the same way the Mage/Templar conflict is an unwinnable argument or the Fenris/Anders conflict is unwinnable.

Dialogue that I think is nuanced is taken as literal "Mages cannot be treated like people. They're not like you and I". To me that doesn't mean "Mages aren't people (full stop)" but that "Mages are human but as they have dangerous abilities and the propensity to summon demons I think they ought be watched. Carefully. This may help us avoid me, and others, being locked up in a magical cage and tortured in the future."

It also needs to be taken into account that Cullen is probably suffering PTSD at the stage of the game. It hasn't been that long since the events at the Circle in Ferelden.

Eh, there I go no doubt about to get myself in trouble ;-) Anyway what is it they say "any publicity is good publicity", so discussions that keep Cullen in the 'news' is good for us fans in the long run imho.

Yes. On all points. LOL I've been resisting as well... since, I agree, those discussion just go downhill and people's feelings get ... bent.  "there's no such thing as bad PR." :innocent:

But, I'll stick my toe in a bit and say I also agree that in my view his point is about his next line "They are weapons" which can be good and can be bad, but in all cases need to be treated with care. Now stepping back out quickly as I realize I may have tread into other, more dangerous territory... Eeek, nevermind....

@Ryzaki - good point. Ah, Thrask's daughter, another unsung tragedy of DA2, pobrecita.

[Yankee23]

I usually play that my mages (both origins and DA2) don't believe the Circle or templars are inherently evil, bad, oppressive...whatever. The the templars are needed to protect both the public AND the mages (perhaps the chantry could back off a bit...but that's another topic, lol). Although I usually side with the mages, one of my favorite lines from Cullen is when siding with the templars, you come across the 3 mages who want to surrender and Meredith asks if he is willing to take responsibility for them and he replies "Yes, I believe that's what being a templar is about." He's willing to give them a chance and put himself on the line for them. 

[Vaeya]

Yankee23 wrote...

I usually play that my mages (both
origins and DA2) don't believe the Circle or templars are inherently
evil, bad, oppressive...whatever. The the templars are needed to protect
both the public AND the mages (perhaps the chantry could back off a
bit...but that's another topic, lol). Although I usually side with the
mages, one of my favorite lines from Cullen is when siding with the
templars, you come across the 3 mages who want to surrender and Meredith
asks if he is willing to take responsibility for them and he replies "Yes, I believe that's what being a templar is about." He's willing to give them a chance and put himself on the line for them. <3:wub:

Yes! I loved that line as well. <3
XD Not to mention, "You'll have to go through me!" Gahhh, such a tease!
That is one of the most protective lines ever. TwT And he isn't even a
LI!  I bet whoever Hawke's LI was, they were probably angry they hadn't done that first. X3

*sigh*

And yeah, I see comments and I sometimes want to put my own two cents in, but, then I realize that everybody has their own opinions and it is very rare that you'll change them. X3 So I don't even bother debating anymore, especially online.

Modifié par Vaeya, 09 août 2011 - 12:58 .

[Yankee23]

Vaeya wrote...

And yeah, I see comments and I sometimes want to put my own two cents in, but, then I realize that everybody has their own opinions and it is very rare that you'll change them. X3 So I don't even bother debating anymore, especially online.

^This

I've been lurking in here for a while and I've decided I'd like to stay.   It's so happy in here and there are so few happy places left these days.

[Vaeya]

@Yankee- Woot! Welcome, then! XD Hah, yeah, I lurked for like, a week while I read the entirety of the thread. *hasnolife* XD

This place just makes me so happy. TwT Because everybody loves Cullen just as much as I do. XD And yeah, you're right. It's a happy thread! XD Heh!

[R2s Muse]

Yankee23 wrote...

I usually play that my mages (both origins and DA2) don't believe the Circle or templars are inherently evil, bad, oppressive...whatever. The the templars are needed to protect both the public AND the mages (perhaps the chantry could back off a bit...but that's another topic, lol). Although I usually side with the mages, one of my favorite lines from Cullen is when siding with the templars, you come across the 3 mages who want to surrender and Meredith asks if he is willing to take responsibility for them and he replies "Yes, I believe that's what being a templar is about." He's willing to give them a chance and put himself on the line for them. 

Ah, zoning in on my brainwaves ... AGREE! This line sort of sums him up for me.

[Galagraphia]

 Well, I don't know. Maybe we should gather forces and go into one of those negative threads and start a discussion? So far what I saw was just: "I hate Cullen, he's an ass" or "I hate Cullen, cuz he's an evil templar, and all templars eat poor mage babies for breakfast" or "I hate Cullen, because he's been kissing Meredith's ass for 7 years".So, what can we  say in response to these "arguments"?

1-2). He's not, because he was actually a very nice templar. When he came to Kirkwall, he had some extreme views which Meredith found appealing, but from what he says in the game, I understand that he never demanded to kill or tranquil all mages in the world, he saw it as a last resort.  From his letter to Meredith:

These apostates are usually found and returned to the Circle or mercifully  killed if they have fallen to demonic temptation. <...>
My recommendation is to fight back, both physically and in turning the minds and hearts of their supporters against them.

About the rite of tranquility:

The Harrowing has served us well enough for centuries. (after he confirms that Alrik's plan was rejected)
<...>
The Tranquil ritual was created as a mercy so that mages need not be killed out of hand for the threat they might pose.

And actually there are mages who indeed prefer to be made tranquil (proof). Even Feynriel asks about it. Because Fade is a dangerous thing, and if you become an abomination, you will do terrible things, you will hurt people you love. Some mages prefer to be alive and safe.

3) What else could he do? As he said, after what happened in Ferelden, he swore to himself that he would never question his commander's orders again. Because last time he had doubts, he lost all his brothers in the order (except a very few who managed to get out in time), many mages died, even the tranquils died. He survived by a miracle, but he's still suffering from PTSD. Meredith is a strong and charismatic leader, she's very persuasive and she's beet through worse tragedy than him, because her own sister destroyed her life, not a random crazy blood mage. Someone she loved, not a stranger. Of course he understands why she must be so strict, and he's trying to defend her all the time, but in the end even Cullen turns against her.
Why didn't he turn on her before? Why would he? If you talk to her, you see that she's actually a very nice person and she's not unreasonable, even in act 3, when she's all idol-crazy. Her first strange decision is to annul the circle for Anders' crime. And we know Cullen doesn't support that. 

Besides, we know what happens to the templars who refuse to follow the orders - they become Samson. Would it be better for Cullen? Would it be better for the order to lose one of a few reasonable and sane templars? It's easy to blame him for all the crimes other templars committed, but what if without him in the Gallows things could have been much worse? I'm pretty sure Cullen would not left his own brothers' crimes unpunished if he witnessed one or had a proof that it happened. Just because "it's not what the Order stands for". Maybe he even did so? We don't know.
Also, from the letter from Bethany:

The templars are mostly polite, and I know they're just doing their jobs, but some hold extreme views.

So I understand the majority of templars were alright, and just because some of them were sadists, we can't blame the entire order. And we definitely shouldn't blame Cullen.

Modifié par Galagraphia, 09 août 2011 - 02:51 .

[Vaeya]

@Gala- Ah, such a valid argument with proof and everything. I would say go for it, but it will only escalate into an argument between Cullen fans and non Cullen fans. XD That's the internet for you. I don't think it will accomplish anything, sadly. >__<

But I totally agree with you. And I'm sure everyone here does as well. x3

[Avilia]

Well said Gala!

Reading your post and the others here on this topic made me think. Cullen would make a good Seeker. Makes me wonder if in DA3....

[Galagraphia]

@Vaeya, I went to that thread. I actually want to escalate it, because I want a discussion. Discussions attract writers I doubt there will be one though, that thread doesn't look like it's ready for it, but I'm always ready to catch a grenade for Cullen.

@Avilia, I would love him to become a seeker! I hope he will!

[Vaeya]

@Avilia- Woah. That's an awesome suggestion you have there. I never thought of him becoming a seeker. That would definitely be an interesting little twist to his character... >w<

@Gala- Mm, touche. I'm still new to the forum and the fact that writers actually visit the threads. XD I didn't think of that, but you're right. Discussions would probably attract writers. >w< If you do end up escalating it, let us know and we'll jump in to support Cullen and you, Knight Commander. ;P

Hm... Quick question. Does anybody know how long Templars have until the lyrium affects them negatively...? We know Grey Wardens have 30 years until The Calling. So how long until Templars go through with lyrium side effects, I wonder.

And as a side note. I've finished my first chapter of my fic. It's not on FF yet, nor am I sure I want to post it. XD *shame* It's not the typical Hawke/Cullen... o////o

Modifié par Vaeya, 09 août 2011 - 04:25 .

[Galagraphia]

@Vaeya, let's hope there will be a duscussion. Some people there actually support Cullen, not only we As for the lyrium - it's hard to tell. I think it depends on the dosage. For example Greagoir is very old. Emeric is old. But I don't see the signs of lyrium dementia.
And please do share your fanfiction, more Cullen is always welcome