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[Markinator_123]

Inspired by the most reprehensible character topic for Dragon Age, I wanted to know who everyone thought were the more reprehensible characters in Mass Effect 2. This can include anybody in the game. Here is what I think in no particular order.

Gavin Archer- You have to be a sick individual to do something like this to your own brother. I was so mad I couldn't kill him.

Morinth- Genetic condition or not enjoying to murder of innocent victims is not cool. She really has no redeeming qualities

Zaeed Massani- Blowing up innocent people for your own selfish revenge is really monsterous. I could perfectly understand why any Shepard could leave him to die on his loyalty mission after recusing the workers.

Ronald Taylor- I let him rot in the place that he made.

Tela Vasir- She is proof of why the spectres are no better than Cerberus. She blow up four stories worth of innocent people just to kill ONE person. She really gets no sympathy for me.

Miranda Lawson- The fact the only reason she didn't put a control chip in Shepard's brain was due to a lack of permission puts her into this dog house too. If she would have gone through with it, it would have been a Moral Event Horizon for her.

[TelexFerra]

Jacob - Existing

[Kasen]

Udina - Way too convincing as a politician. I wouldn't trust the man with my fishtank...

[Volus Warlord]

Markinator_123 wrote...

Inspired by the most reprehensible character topic for Dragon Age, I wanted to know who everyone thought were the more reprehensible characters in Mass Effect 2. This can include anybody in the game. Here is what I think in no particular order.

Gavin Archer- You have to be a sick individual to do something like this to your own brother. I was so mad I couldn't kill him.

Morinth- Genetic condition or not enjoying to murder of innocent victims is not cool. She really has no redeeming qualities

Zaeed Massani- Blowing up innocent people for your own selfish revenge is really monsterous. I could perfectly understand why any Shepard could leave him to die on his loyalty mission after recusing the workers.

Ronald Taylor- I let him rot in the place that he made.

Tela Vasir- She is proof of why the spectres are no better than Cerberus. She blow up four stories worth of innocent people just to kill ONE person. She really gets no sympathy for me.

Miranda Lawson- The fact the only reason she didn't put a control chip in Shepard's brain was due to a lack of permission puts her into this dog house too. If she would have gone through with it, it would have been a Moral Event Horizon for her.

Archer: *yawns*

Morinth: She's a sex/murder addict. She is brutally addicted to being a space **** vampire.

Zaeed: Zaeed is about getting the job done. Screw the innocents. Their innocence is just an illusion.Also, won't chopping off the head of the Blue Suns save more in the long run?

Ronald Taylor: Nobody in the right mind would do something like that! Just ask Tiger Woods and Bill Clinton and .. and... and... Cmon. That would be a dream world for many, spare the mechs and crazies.

Tela: get the job done..

Miranda: Woman has a great body but no soul to compensate. Those types are very common, you know. Miranda just happens to be in a position where her soullessness affects people.

Stop wallowing in your self-righteousness. It may sound good to some, but it will ultimately be a liability for you and everyone around you.

[Markinator_123]

Volus Warlord wrote...


Archer: *yawns*

Morinth: She's a sex/murder addict. She is brutally addicted to being a space **** vampire.

Zaeed: Zaeed is about getting the job done. Screw the innocents. Their innocence is just an illusion.Also, won't chopping off the head of the Blue Suns save more in the long run?

Ronald Taylor: Nobody in the right mind would do something like that! Just ask Tiger Woods and Bill Clinton and .. and... and... Cmon. That would be a dream world for many, spare the mechs and crazies.

Tela: get the job done..

Miranda: Woman has a great body but no soul to compensate. Those types are very common, you know. Miranda just happens to be in a position where her soullessness affects people.

Stop wallowing in your self-righteousness. It may sound good to some, but it will ultimately be a liability for you and everyone around you.

Screws the innocents eh? Like I said, Zaeed wasn't doing this to save more lives, he was doing it for his own selfish revenge. As far as Tela Vasir is concerned, she didn't get the job done. She failed to kill Liara and died in the process.

[Leonia]

The Warden on Purgatory.. that guy took justice/revenge to a whole new level with that whole operation.

[Labrev]

Samara - she blindly follows a code that compels her to kill innocents if anything gets in her way (taken into custody at Illium), but when she witnesses a Spectre do so (which he has the legal right to) then she will hunt him down and sidetrack whatever mission he was on (which in turn might be hurting a lot of people). She will start a riot on Tuchanka over something as petty as varren fights. She wants to kill her daughter for killing people when she admitted she herself was very much the same way in her youth: saying she killed many people as a merc and danced the night away, not caring to settled down until her matron stage.

Sorry, I just feel like everything is very wrong here. I don't even have much reason to trust the crew with Samara either, since she's so overzealous about wronging evil - and more than half the team already is.

I'm going back for another run through my main career. The only reason I'm going to let Samara live is because I have no good reason to stab my own teammate in the back. But otherwise, I'd rather have Morinth much more.

[A2N2T]

leonia42 wrote...

The Warden on Purgatory.. that guy took justice/revenge to a whole new level with that whole operation.

He did it for the money, not for justice or revenge. But yah, I agree about him being on the list.

Modifié par A2N2T, 20 mars 2011 - 03:31 .

[Leonia]

A2N2T wrote...

leonia42 wrote...

The Warden on Purgatory.. that guy took justice/revenge to a whole new level with that whole operation.

He did it for the money, not for justice or revenge.

Which makes it even worse, honestly. Tried to wrap it up as some sort of noble effort to rid the galaxy of terrible criminals but you can only sugar-coat it so much.

I'm surprised nobody has mentioned our good friend TIM yet.

[Anacronian Stryx]

Op - all those pale in comparison to renegade Shepard.

[Labrev]

Kasen13 wrote...

Udina - Way too convincing as a politician. I wouldn't trust the man with my fishtank...

Udina is a hammer who knows how to get things done. He had a huge hand in Shepard becoming a Spectre. He may be a politician, but he does have an important job.

I've always had Anderson be the councilor, but I really don't see Udina as being "bad" other than not believing in the Reapers.

[yfullman]

udina- Stabs you in the back far too often and (spoiler) tricked captain bailey into killing executor palin

[Markinator_123]

Anacronian Stryx wrote...

Op - all those pale in comparison to renegade Shepard.

A full blown renegade, to some extent, yes but I am trying to keep Shepard out of this discussion since all of our Shepards are different

Modifié par Markinator_123, 20 mars 2011 - 03:40 .

[Dean_the_Young]

No one wants to bring up the doctor who sterilized an entire race who was at war with no one? Really?

[Asheer_Khan]

leonia42 wrote...

A2N2T wrote...

leonia42 wrote...

The Warden on Purgatory.. that guy took justice/revenge to a whole new level with that whole operation.

He did it for the money, not for justice or revenge.

Which makes it even worse, honestly. Tried to wrap it up as some sort of noble effort to rid the galaxy of terrible criminals but you can only sugar-coat it so much.

I'm surprised nobody has mentioned our good friend TIM yet.

timmy boy is more "white collar villan" similar to Capone or big mafia bosses than someone who would (at least on his current "level") dirty his own hands with "wet work".

For "wet work" timmy have goons like kay "the butcher" leng.

[Elite Midget]

Tali - Why did they ruin her to satisfy a bunch of rabid fans that wanted to bone her?!

Modifié par Elite Midget, 20 mars 2011 - 04:28 .

[gosimmons]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

No one wants to bring up the doctor who sterilized an entire race who was at war with no one? Really?

But they were at war... Their rapid population growth led to the Krogan Rebellions. And Mordin went out of his way to find an answer that didn't end in the Krogan's extinction.

Elite Midget wrote...

Tali - Why did they ruin her to satisfy a bunch of rabid fans that wanted to bone her?!

I didn't think there was much of Tali to ruin in ME1 personally. She was likeable enough, but I thought she was more a codex on Quarian culture/history than a well developed character.

[UsagiVindaloo]

To OP: Like others in the thread, I don't *totally* mind some of those characters. I actually have a weird affection for Morinth, mostly because it's clear she's addicted to the rush of killing but we don't actually know what she thinks of the killing itself (i.e. is it "Yay, this person means nothing to me!" or "It's a shame this girl has to die, she's very brilliant, but I have to have my rush.") I like to think that all that stuff she says to Shepard about being lonely is true... she just happens to know that the truth, said a certain way, will get Shepard sympathetic and horny. ;-) Having said that, while I like her, I do agree she belongs on this list.

I also, weirdly enough, don't hate Archer as much as I should. I think it's because of that moment when his brother does the "square root" line and Archer finishes it... and the voice actor infuses the line, and the subsequent lines, with such genuine pain and guilt that I can't find it in me to hate him. Otherwise pretty damn reprehensible.

You're perfectly right about Zaeed and Tela, but for some reason I like both of them for different reasons. Zaeed is very much an affably evil kind of guy, so blatantly sociopathic that you almost have to laugh, and Tela... Tela is a Renegade Shepard. ;-)

My own list of most reprehensible characters:

Nassana Dantius - slaughtering innocent construction workers just because she's paranoid, not to mention all the nastiness it's implied she's gotten up to in the meantime. Shame, as she was a bit more nuanced in ME1.

Joram Talid - what a racist a-hole. Goes around strong-arming people and being a jerk about humans. Sort of wish more of my Shepards were the type to just gun him down.

Vido - while I'm certainly not a fan of Zaeed leaving the workers to die, it does deserve to be pointed out that Vido is the one who got them into that situation in the first place. He's just a nasty piece of work.

Jedore - talk about the boss from hell.

Ronald Taylor - out of all the mustache twirling villainy in the game, his behavior was the one that really genuinely disgusted me once I figured out what he had done (close second would admittedly be Archer once I saw the horrible setup David was in).

[Dean_the_Young]

gosimmons wrote...

Dean_the_Young wrote...

No one wants to bring up the doctor who sterilized an entire race who was at war with no one? Really?

But they were at war... Their rapid population growth led to the Krogan Rebellions. And Mordin went out of his way to find an answer that didn't end in the Krogan's extinction.

No, the Krogans are not at war with the Council. And the Council is not at war with the Krogan.

Mordin's genophage project wasn't a tool of necessity: the Krogan weren't at war, other means could be found (like keeping them shut down on their planets), and even the entire genophage, if truly necessary later, could have been applied then.

Mordin's genophage project was a tool of convenience, a biological weapon always intended for indiscriminate use against every Krogan regardless of politics, age, guilt, or any other category besides race.

[Lee337]

TelexFerra wrote...

Jacob - Existing

Poor Jacob, if he was a real life person he'd be liked I bet.

[Leonia]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

gosimmons wrote...

Dean_the_Young wrote...

No one wants to bring up the doctor who sterilized an entire race who was at war with no one? Really?

But they were at war... Their rapid population growth led to the Krogan Rebellions. And Mordin went out of his way to find an answer that didn't end in the Krogan's extinction.

No, the Krogans are not at war with the Council. And the Council is not at war with the Krogan.

Mordin's genophage project wasn't a tool of necessity: the Krogan weren't at war, other means could be found (like keeping them shut down on their planets), and even the entire genophage, if truly necessary later, could have been applied then.

Mordin's genophage project was a tool of convenience, a biological weapon always intended for indiscriminate use against every Krogan regardless of politics, age, guilt, or any other category besides race.

Dude, the krogan were at war with everybody (hence the krogan rebellions) that's why the genophage was made. Mordin was responsible for modifying the genophage so that it could help control their population so that the krogan wouldn't constantly go to war (and by doing so, go  extinct and taking the rest of galactic civilisation down with them). If you talk to Mordin enough it makes sense and he even shows a bit of regret that such drastic measures needed to be taken but says leaving the genophage unmodified was even worse (he doesn't want to sterilise the krogan, he wants them to have a controlled, healthy population so that they can grow at a normal rate).

[Lee337]

Volus Warlord wrote...

Markinator_123 wrote...

Inspired by the most reprehensible character topic for Dragon Age, I wanted to know who everyone thought were the more reprehensible characters in Mass Effect 2. This can include anybody in the game. Here is what I think in no particular order.

Gavin Archer- You have to be a sick individual to do something like this to your own brother. I was so mad I couldn't kill him.

Morinth- Genetic condition or not enjoying to murder of innocent victims is not cool. She really has no redeeming qualities

Zaeed Massani- Blowing up innocent people for your own selfish revenge is really monsterous. I could perfectly understand why any Shepard could leave him to die on his loyalty mission after recusing the workers.

Ronald Taylor- I let him rot in the place that he made.

Tela Vasir- She is proof of why the spectres are no better than Cerberus. She blow up four stories worth of innocent people just to kill ONE person. She really gets no sympathy for me.

Miranda Lawson- The fact the only reason she didn't put a control chip in Shepard's brain was due to a lack of permission puts her into this dog house too. If she would have gone through with it, it would have been a Moral Event Horizon for her.

Archer: *yawns*

Morinth: She's a sex/murder addict. She is brutally addicted to being a space **** vampire.

Zaeed: Zaeed is about getting the job done. Screw the innocents. Their innocence is just an illusion.Also, won't chopping off the head of the Blue Suns save more in the long run?

Ronald Taylor: Nobody in the right mind would do something like that! Just ask Tiger Woods and Bill Clinton and .. and... and... Cmon. That would be a dream world for many, spare the mechs and crazies.

Tela: get the job done..

Miranda: Woman has a great body but no soul to compensate. Those types are very common, you know. Miranda just happens to be in a position where her soullessness affects people.

Stop wallowing in your self-righteousness. It may sound good to some, but it will ultimately be a liability for you and everyone around you.

At least I know that if I blow you up, shoot you or mangle you in some other way whilst trying to kill someone for any reason, you won't mind.

[gosimmons]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

No, the Krogans are not at war with the Council. And the Council is not at war with the Krogan.

But they did try to keep them on their planets. The Krogan were declaring war advancing onto planets that were already inhabited, despite the Council's demands to back off.

Modifié par gosimmons, 20 mars 2011 - 05:19 .

[Dean_the_Young]

gosimmons wrote...

Dean_the_Young wrote...

No, the Krogans are not at war with the Council. And the Council is not at war with the Krogan.

But they did try to keep them on their planets. The Krogan were declaring war advancing onto planets that were already inhabited, despite the Council's demands to back off.

Gosimmons, that was nearly a thousand years before the game started.

We aren't talking the sins of this generation. We aren't even talking about the sins of the fathers: we're talking about the sins of the grandfathers, and great grandfathers, and beyond.

The politics of a thousand years ago in a war virtually no one alive was a part of is NOT legal grounds for indiscriminate biological warfare against people entirely uninvolved, simply on the fear they might rise again. Just imagine what the world would be like if we applied that standard ourselves.