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[ejoslin]

 Seeing your warden's love interest having sex with someone else, whether it's your Hawke or Isabela, really does stink.  Looking at the talk table reveals that the encounter is NOT supposed to go that way.

Whlie there is a mod out now that fixes the imports, this highlights even MORE problems with Zevran's cameo.  He still responds to Hawke's flirting, he's still willing to have sex with Hawke, though with the imports apparently working properly (checking via zz_vault_debug), no matter what, he also thinks the warden is dead -- even if the warden is still alive and everyone else in Thedas knows it.  He does give one line about that in the first conversation.  He also turns Isabela down in the second conversation (again, thinking the warden is dead even when that's not the case), but again, he's still willing to get with Hawke.

So please, fix this.  While it's not game breaking, that whole encounter really takes what should be a warm-fuzzy moment and feels like having some ice water thrown over the whole thing.  This wonderful dialog was written and recorded for a Zevran-romanced warden -- please put it in the game!

Edit: Changed the subject title because all the LIs are bugged.  Zevran's just happens to be the worst of them

Modifié par ejoslin, 22 mars 2011 - 02:01 .

[Sue]

Yes, please please fix this in the next patch for both the PC, PS3 and Xbox.

[mousestalker]

I second this. Look, we like your writing. Let us see and hear what you created!

[Beba]

Please, please Bioware, can you do it? ...for your fans...????

[Calistrata]

Yes please. for someone who spent so mutch time and effort on all those playthroughs I would atleast see that it is recodnized properly that my choises atleast did some inpact even if its just dialog form my favorite elf. Nathaniel should also be reminded that no dear. my warden did not spare the architect no matter how mutch you wanted her to.

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[ejoslin]

I do think Zevran's cameo is the worst. Yes, it stinks when not all your choices are acknowledged (I ran into this as well), but when it comes to the entire romance story arc of Origins being tossed away, that's an issue.  Can you imagine the screams if Leliana propositioned Hawke if in a relationship with the warden?  Or Alistair? And please no one tell me this is because of how Zevran is -- he changes if you take the romance to completion.  And the dialog in the talktable confirms he's supposed to be faithful and true to the warden or the warden's memory.

Also, this is apart from the import bugs. I have no doubt that the issues with the import bugs will be addreseds as there's already a mod out for PCs that fixes them. But here are the issues when the import flags are fixed (and confirmed via the zz_vault_debug and also by the reactions of other NPCs in the game).

1. The warden is considered dead by Zevran no matter what
2. Zevran responded to Hawke's flirting, though the talktable shows there should be different lines where he doesn't (whether alive or dead)
3. Zevran, if flirted with, will proposition Hawke, though that seems to be not what is intended by looking at the dialog which is there in the talk table.

Zevran does say something in the first conversation that acknowledges the warden (again, dead, even if the warden is alive). He also will reject Isabela as he's still in mourning.

So even with the import flags working, there are servere issues with Zevran's cameo.

Modifié par ejoslin, 20 mars 2011 - 04:06 .

[sami jo]

Adding a pretty please to this. It's the only bone you've thrown to the Zev fans and t would be really nice to have his dialog trigger correctly for a change.

[AndreaDraco]

I agree. Even if it's only a minor component of the game, Zevran's cameo should be fixed, both because the dialogue we're supposed to get is incredibly good and because... well, it's Zevran!

[Shaleene]

Yeah, what everyone else said!

[Dunizel]

Seconding everything Ejoslin said.

We would like to experience the content you have written. Because it is exactly what I would have liked to view and hear. A romanced Zevran that has developed and changed is what we were expecting to see. And apparently even what you wanted to let us see, because the lines are there. I did some testing myself but it just isn't right that to enjoy the content we have to "discover" it and work through the code. I appreciate the effort and dedication Ejoslin and other put into it, but the vast majority of players will have just a wrong impression of Zevran, especially if they imported a romanced one.
It was nice to see him and hear his witty lines in such a grim moment, but as it the cameo doesn't respect the intentions of who wrote Zev.
It saddens me to think that the character of Zevran is, yet again, misunderstood due to bugs.

[blizzeh]

Seconding as well!

I've already gritted my teeth and decided to accept the fact that Zev would sleep around with everything that walks, despite having his Warden waiting for him to return, it is more than a pleasant surprise to find out that a different version of the encounter indeed exists. *uses Fenris-grade Puppy Eyes Attack™ to beg for it to be fixed*

Modifié par blizzeh, 20 mars 2011 - 06:12 .

[Evil_Jashinist]

Agreed. After everything that happened in Origins I just went WTF when he started hitting on my Hawke... >> Glad to see that it was a bug. I checked the dialouge that SHOULD'VE been there, and it was actually very sweet.

Though the bug DID give me a pretty amusing mental image of my mage warden suddently swinging down outta nowhere with fireballs and hexes in all his overpowered glory screaming something along the lines of "WHY YOU FLIRTING CHEEEAAAAT!!!111" XD

Ah. I should ask my buddy to make a short comic with that or something XD

[Irish Porkchopp]

I killed Zevran in DAO because he turned on my Warden. Then he shows up in DA2! Fix bugs please.

[ejoslin]

Again, while that kind of bug is an issue, the point is, for Zevran, the dialog you get is SO wildly inappropriate for a romanced Zevran, and obviously not what was intended.

If a romanced Leliana or Alistair hit on Hawke and/or had sex with one of your companions, I can't even begin to imagine the screams. If Morrigan came back for the express purpose of having sex with Hawke or one of Hawke's companions, it would probably get violent!  While Zevran has a crappy reputation, for anyone who has done the romance, they end the game in a stated-outright, committed relationship. This was supposed to carry on to DA2, as evidenced by lines in the talk table that are not making it into the game because of bugs.

I wouldn't be so upset if Zevran didn't show up, or if he wasn't having sex with Hawke/Isabela. It would have been disappointing not having the romance acknowledged, but this goes beyond that, to actually trashing the warden and their relationship (your warden is so hot and terrific that his/her LI cheats on them -- weeee).

And the problem is, his bugs go beyond the import issues yet there is no toolset (and the toolset doesn't help people on consoles anyway).  Even with proper import flags, he's giving the wrong dialog.  The cameos seem to be there for fan service, but this does the exact opposite.

Modifié par ejoslin, 20 mars 2011 - 07:58 .

[AndreaDraco]

ejoslin wrote...
 The cameos seem to be there for fan service, but this does the exact opposite.

Wise words!

[LadyKarrakaz]

Ejoslin, for what it's worth, I completely approve with your post and really hope this will get fixed in an official patch.
If there is a toolset update, good too, but really, official content should be fixed by official creators, so that all platforms and not only PC (mod) users can get the fix.

Modifié par Purple Lady, 20 mars 2011 - 08:34 .

[Mr.House]

Join the club Zev fans, us Leli fans are also waiting for Bioware to fix Leli's cameo.

[leggywillow]

Evil_Jashinist wrote...

Agreed. After everything that happened in Origins I just went WTF when he started hitting on my Hawke... >> Glad to see that it was a bug. I checked the dialouge that SHOULD'VE been there, and it was actually very sweet.

What was it?  I'm on the console, so even if there is a toolset or some kind of mod fix, I'll never get to see it.

[ejoslin]

Mr.House wrote...

Join the club Zev fans, us Leli fans are also waiting for Bioware to fix Leli's cameo.

The difference is, of course, that you don't have Leliana trying to have sex with Hawke/having sex with Isabela.  Zevran is supposed to be true to the warden/memory of the warden if romanced -- yet that is not happening.

I'm not trying to minimize the issues of the other cameos.  Please don't think that.  But what's going on with Zevran is worse than what is going on with Alistair and Leliana.  It's beyond not having the romance acknowledged properly. 

The good news for Leliana fans is Leliana also works fine once her import bugs are fixed (there's a mod out that does that) so when BW fixes the import issue, she'll be working correctly.  What is going on with Zevran will still be broken once the import issue is fixed for everyone.

[ejoslin]

leggywillow wrote...

Evil_Jashinist wrote...

Agreed. After everything that happened in Origins I just went WTF when he started hitting on my Hawke... >> Glad to see that it was a bug. I checked the dialouge that SHOULD'VE been there, and it was actually very sweet.

What was it?  I'm on the console, so even if there is a toolset or some kind of mod fix, I'll never get to see it.

In the talktable, there are a lot of lines that look like they should be given by a romanced Zevran (with the warden living or dead).  Here are a few...


Ah, as wise as you are breathtaking. You remind me of... a very dear friend.  (this does show with the import fix, but it's obviously for a dead warden and my warden was alive, and it's the only romance line triggering in that conversation)

Normally I would jump at the chance, but my dear Warden may be a tad put out.

The memories are a little too fresh, dear woman. Another time. (also triggering in an import-fixed game, but my warden was alive).

It is time for me to move on. I've a Warden to return to, after all... it's been far too long.

<desc>Laughs</desc> Ah, no. No. As fun as that would be, I am... committed elsewhere.

Another time, perhaps. I am... still in mourning.

Edit: Again, I am not trying ot minimize the import issue -- that obviously is important and I bet it is being worked on.  The issue is, with Zevran, we're supposed to have a loving devoted LI, not a cheater, and yet everyone is getting to see Zevran have sex with Isabela/Hawke though, given these lines, that is obviously not the intent.

And with the import flags fixed (via mod), there are still serious issues.

Watching your warden's LI actually cheat on him/her is worse than the romance just not being acknowledged :/

Modifié par ejoslin, 20 mars 2011 - 08:44 .

[Madame November]

I agree with the need to fix the dialogue problems. (Why does he think the Warden is dead?)
However, I have no problem with him flirting with Hawke and Isabella. My warden and Zevran had an open relationship, and besides I am also Hawke and I will always want a chance to flirt with Zev.

[ejoslin]

Madame November wrote...

I agree with the need to fix the dialogue problems. (Why does he think the Warden is dead?)
However, I have no problem with him flirting with Hawke and Isabella. My warden and Zevran had an open relationship, and besides I am also Hawke and I will always want a chance to flirt with Zev.

But he is not supposed to.  You may not have a problem with it, but that is NOT the way the dialog is supposed to go.  In origins, Zevran is requiring a commitment and such, not discussing open relationships, so many people who take that romance to completion expected that to continue in DA2.

And apparently, according to dialog in the talk table, that was what was supposed to happen -- he was supposed to stay true to the warden, alive or dead.

The dialog is bugged, and seriously crappy to many people.  Obviously, not everyone will have a problem with it, but when the import problem is fixed, Zevran will be thinking your warden is dead, so you'll be hit with bugs as well unless they're fixed.

Modifié par ejoslin, 20 mars 2011 - 08:42 .

[Mox Ruuga]

Stuff like this should be fixed.

Bioware, seriously, did you test the import feature when it had been implemented?

I wonder if romanced!Isabela wanting to sleep with Zev, even having declared love for Hawke, is also related to this whole buggy mess? Especially since I hear Hawke just stands there like and idiot and allows Izz to have her fling without any complaint.

[Madame November]

ejoslin wrote...

Madame November wrote...

I agree with the need to fix the dialogue problems. (Why does he think the Warden is dead?)
However, I have no problem with him flirting with Hawke and Isabella. My warden and Zevran had an open relationship, and besides I am also Hawke and I will always want a chance to flirt with Zev.

But he is not supposed to.  You may not have a problem with it, but that is NOT the way the dialog is supposed to go.  In origins, Zevran is requiring a commitment and such, not discussing open relationships, so many people who take that romance to completion expected that to continue in DA2.

And apparently, according to dialog in the talk table, that was what was supposed to happen -- he was supposed to stay true to the warden, alive or dead.

The dialog is bugged, and seriously crappy to many people.  Obviously, not everyone will have a problem with it, but when the import problem is fixed, Zevran will be thinking your warden is dead, so you'll be hit with bugs as well unless they're fixed.

I don't remember ever having a conversation with Zevran ( and I had ALL the conversations) wherein he said he'd never have sex with another person. Commitment means different things to different people. I don't really know what you mean by 'talk table' though, so it possible I am missing something.

I do realize that this is kind of beside the point and I will go away now. <3

Modifié par Madame November, 20 mars 2011 - 08:54 .

[Beba]

Bioware guys, it would be nice if anyone of you read this thread. No offense, but these arguments are very reasonable. My oppinion.