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[Ixiel]

I was excited when DAO came out. The idea of playing a game with the option to pursue gay relationships was fairly new. I ended up choosing not to pursue any however, because my only option was to get with a girl or a ho (sorry Zevran). My original character was unfortunate enough to develop unrequited feelings for Alistair, which made martyrdom an easy decision and turned DAO into even more of a tragic story. Now DA2 launches and my options have evolved (like an evil pokemon)!

On one hand I can choose Anders, a schizophrenic, suffering from bi-polarity and multiple personality disorder. Half way into our friendship I'm begin to think he may have eaten sir pounce-a-lot just so they would never be apart. Quit, Load previous game. On the other hand I could choose Fenris a masochistic, skinny jeans wearing, homeless boi, who squats in a condemned building, and has two emotional modes, loathing & broken. I expected him to flinch or bite me any time I made a sudden movement. As a mage, I couldn't help but feel our relationship may eventually bump into trust issues. I ended up choosing Fenris, cause he shuts up when I tell him to and tattoos are hot. Plus the thought of waking up to Anders watching me sleep, was too scary.

Why oh why are my options so physically and psychologically unattractive? I feel like I'm choosing between Team Edward and Team Jacob (without even the option of Jacob's body). Where is the exotic, drop-dead gorgeous option, with a great sense of humor? where is the companion with a rough exterior, but a genuine heart? Ohh right, Isabella... Who also happens to be a complete slattern.

Sadly, the closest option for any type of healthy relationship in DA2 seemed to be with either my dog, or an anally retentive, moraly obnoxious, butch-girl, who looks like she owns a milk'n cow. I'm not sure anyone except Donnic can hook that up. 

I look forward to the option for epic romance in DA3... That or the designers will appease the other side of the room and there will be dwarfsex.

Modifié par Ixiel, 20 mars 2011 - 03:58 .

[Cat Fancy]

Would you like some cheese with that whine? And this "problem" (not a problem) isn't exclusive to gay guys, but anyone interested in dudes. Well, ladies can have a little scene with Sebastian at the end of the game under very specific circumstances. I could see why you'd miss that. It's very satisfying and also sebastian is a very interesting character and I've accidentally published this before finishing my thoughts, yikes.That's embarrassing.

I dunno. I'm fine with both of them. I think a case can be made that literally every romanceable character is a loathsome human being. The guys are politically strident, though, so that's... a thing.

edit: sadface

Modifié par umwhatyousay, 20 mars 2011 - 04:01 .

[Sarah1281]

I agree. These really aren't gay romance issues. You just don't like the male romance options.

[Gavinthelocust]

There is no good relationship in this game, Isabella is the closest you can get to a normal one and she caused the Qunari invasion.

[Ixiel]

umwhatyousay wrote...

Would you like some cheese with that whine? And this "problem" (not a problem) isn't exclusive to gay guys, but anyone interested in dudes. 

So, you agree? Guess I'll stop whining then, about this problem that seems to be something other people identify with.

[StarFireLiz]

Straight guys and lesbians would have issues with the females I would think. There's Isabella who's just a giant disease carrying uterus or merril who has the emotional comprehension of a five year old...

[Ixiel]

Sarah1281 wrote...

I agree. These really aren't gay romance issues. You just don't like the male romance options.

I disagree, the original post not only referrs to the options in DA2, but also in DAO. This is not a comment about how "BioWare and EA hate gay guys, cause the men are lame in DA2". It is a comment about gay options throughout the Dragon Age title. 

****, give the hot guys to girls too, I could care less. I am just saying the options only offered to people who want to play gay characters have been lame. No Alistair, no Sebastian, just a ho, and two freaks of nature.

[Cat Fancy]

Ixiel wrote...

umwhatyousay wrote...

Would you like some cheese with that whine? And this "problem" (not a problem) isn't exclusive to gay guys, but anyone interested in dudes. 

So, you agree? Guess I'll stop whining then, about this problem that seems to be something other people identify with.

That was snippier than I normally like to be on the internet, and part of the reason I was so annoyed for hitting submit prematurely (TWSS). My point remains- everyone kind of sucks in this game, ladies included, and this isn't a gay thing. Anders does make some unusually terrible decisions but that just means he's more relevant to the plot. I also always thought Alistair was the least appealing romantic option in Origins because of his devotion to a secretive death-cult, so, yeah, there's that.

[Taura-Tierno]

I liked the Fenris same-sex romance. Sure, he was gloomy and a bit broken for a large part of the game, but he got a whole lot better, at least during a friendship romance.

Honestly, I found it interesting that there weren't any 100% "normal" people to romance. Everyone have their luggage, and it's a pretty huge luggage no matter whom you choose. Except maybe Isabela, she seems mostly normal ... aside from the theft and her somewhat promiscuous ways. I like the romance options more here than in Origins - gay or straight.

Whatever issues people can have about the LI's in this game, it cannot be "they cannot do gays right" or "they don't give gays good romance options", because they've given plenty of different gay options here. It's fine not to like them, but it's a love interest problem in general, not a gay love interest problem.

[pizoxuat]

This mostly-hetero woman is firmly of the opinion that no romance is the sanest path in this game. Everyone is just too broken for my tastes.

[MelfinaofOutlawStar]

Believe me, we're all upset Varric wasn't a romance option.

[Sarah1281]

Honestly, I found it interesting that there weren't any 100% "normal" people to romance. Everyone have their luggage, and it's a pretty huge luggage no matter whom you choose. Except maybe Isabela, she seems mostly normal ... aside from the theft and her somewhat promiscuous ways. I like the romance options more here than in Origins - gay or straight.

I like it because no normal person should want anything to do with Hawke romantically. She/He is just too abnormal.

[Shockwave Pulsar]

A character doesn't suck because you find him physically/personality-wise unappealing, he just doesn't suit your taste, a character sucks when he's badly written and his actions don't fit his personality.
I hated Alistair in Origins, for me he was a whiny, ****y little girl trapped in a man's body, but many others loved him and his conversations and actions all fit his character, so obviously Bioware did something right with him, he wasn't a badly written character, just not my taste.
Now, I just love Fenris because I have thing for broody, hard men with troubled pasts who open and soften up once you get close to them, add to that the deep sexy voice and attractive looks and I'm happy.
The characters as a whole have believable, coherent writing and Bioware try to make them all different to suit different tastes, but obviously you can never please everyone.

[Sarah1281]

I hated Alistair in Origins, for me he was a whiny, ****y little girl trapped in a man's body,

Not a whiny, ****y little boy trapped in a man's body? Nice.

[MelfinaofOutlawStar]

Really the choices this go around were all odd.

You have a naive bloodmage, a Maker freak, a selfish pirate wench, a terrorist, and a living weapon.

It's easy to see why Varric wasn't made an option because everyone would have picked him. He's the only constant friend you have the whole game who isn't using you, trying to start WWIII, or trying to convert you.

[Looper128]

Ixiel wrote...
Half way into our friendship I'm begin to think he may have eaten sir pounce-a-lot just so they would never be apart.

This is the greatest quote I read for weeks.

[Medhia Nox]

Ixiel - I gotta say I didn't even read all of your posting. Not because I don't care - I do, but because I really think you're not seeing this in an unbiased sense.

1) All the romances are stupid. "Romance" hasn't matured in video games yet. They're still just presents and kind words until the sex moment. They're contrived and poorly written - and some people get off on them like they would a trashy romance novel.

2) This game is SO gay, and I'm a gay guy. You've got the four love interests who can be gay if you want them to be - you've got that funky prostitute from the Blooming Rose - and there are some other references where I eventually stopped and said - "Wow, Kirkwall is down with the gayness."

3) There are SO many problems to this game - that the poorly written romances ought to be the least of your complaints.

Note: Funny you mention Jacob and Edward - I believe Twilight was once referenced by the developers on how good romances could be written. So, that's telling you something.

[MelfinaofOutlawStar]

Medhia Nox wrote...

Note: Funny you mention Jacob and Edward - I believe Twilight was once referenced by the developers on how good romances could be written. So, that's telling you something.

Wow..that's depressing.

Though it would explain why you can't go along with Anders without suffering from battered wife syndrome.

[Dunizel]

Medhia Nox wrote...


Note: Funny you mention Jacob and Edward - I believe Twilight was once referenced by the developers on how good romances could be written. So, that's telling you something.

Mr. Gaider never said that. 
I can't find the specific post right now, but he just said that he read Twilight to study why it got so much attention and hype. He even said it was not is genre, and only admitted that the romance was well written to appease the target readers. As a writer, it is just normal he wanted to analyze it.

He never said that it was an example on how good romances could be written. And he never said it was an inspiration. Let's stop this rumor already, it's just a twisted misinterpratation of his words. 

(and sorry to Mr. Gaider if he reads this posts where I tried to summarize his more complex reasoning, but I just felt compelled to answer and stop this before it could go on like in the other thread...)

[Cat Fancy]

Look at the dev posts in the Fenris thread (append &lf=8 to the URL or click on the Bioware logo).

[Sarah1281]

MelfinaofOutlawStar wrote...

Medhia Nox wrote...

Note: Funny you mention Jacob and Edward - I believe Twilight was once referenced by the developers on how good romances could be written. So, that's telling you something.

Wow..that's depressing.

Though it would explain why you can't go along with Anders without suffering from battered wife syndrome.

Not this crap again.

Anders telling you that he'll only end up breaking your heart does NOT mean that dating him gives you battered wife syndrome.

How in the world does dating Anders give you battered wife syndrome anyway? He never attacks you verbally or physically! 

[Medhia Nox]

I don't care what they're inspired by - it clearly isn't inspired by any good romance I've ever read. Yeah, I know that's opinion... some people like romance novels... some people like Shakespeare, what can I say.

[leggywillow]

Oh my God... it really is like Team Edward and Team Jacob.  Fenris with the wolf-meaning, and all the references Anders makes to him being a "beast"... and Anders's whole "ALAS I WILL HURT YOU" thing.  

Though I personally LOVE LOVE LOVE the Anders romance as well as Fenris's (to a slightly lesser degree, but it's still awesome).

[gatorboy128]

2) This game is SO gay, and I'm a gay guy. You've got the four love interests who can be gay if you want them to be - you've got that funky prostitute from the Blooming Rose - and there are some other references where I eventually stopped and said - "Wow, Kirkwall is down with the gayness." 

I agree completely. You almost cannot play the game without having gay sex at some point.

[leggywillow]

Medhia Nox wrote...

I don't care what they're inspired by - it clearly isn't inspired by any good romance I've ever read. Yeah, I know that's opinion... some people like romance novels... some people like Shakespeare, what can I say.

Hey, Shakespeare was the original king of horrible romances.  Romeo and Juliet?  Othello and Desdemona?  Talk about drama.

Modifié par leggywillow, 20 mars 2011 - 06:10 .