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[Ramirez Wolfen]

Mesina2 wrote...

Working with Cerberus.
That's treason for the Council and Alliance.


Thane LM.
Cooperating with Cpt. Baley who is corrupt cop and you know it.
Restraining Elias Kelham. Taking hostage.
Punching Elias Kelham while restrained. Torture.
Killing Joram Tali. Murder.

All crimes. Spectre status can't really help Shepard if he/she is doing stuff like that. That's crossing the line.

[CroGamer002]

Ramirez Wolfen wrote...

AlexMBrennan wrote...

You do realise that Shepard killing someone isn't necessarily murder, right? There's justifiable homicide, manslaughter, etc... The same goes for the evil Raubmordkopierer.

That depends. Shepard can leave Zaeed to die or those workers. That is indirect murder. How is that justified?

It's in Terminus System so he can't get charged for that in Council and Alliance space and Zaeed is not citizen of either of those so they don't have right to press charges and put him in jail.
Unless one of those Terminus System government allows it.

[Ramirez Wolfen]

RainyDayLover wrote...

Can't believe you didn't mention Shepard falcon-punching a pyjak on Tuchanka. Anyone know what the animal rights are on Tuchanka?

Tuchanka, I forgot about that! And don't forget the varrens pit fighting!

[CroGamer002]

Ramirez Wolfen wrote...

Mesina2 wrote...

Working with Cerberus.
That's treason for the Council and Alliance.


Thane LM.
Cooperating with Cpt. Baley who is corrupt cop and you know it.
Restraining Elias Kelham. Taking hostage.
Punching Elias Kelham while restrained. Torture.
Killing Joram Tali. Murder.

All crimes. Spectre status can't really help Shepard if he/she is doing stuff like that. That's crossing the line.

Depends on the Council.

[Ramirez Wolfen]

Mesina2 wrote...

Ramirez Wolfen wrote...

AlexMBrennan wrote...

You do realise that Shepard killing someone isn't necessarily murder, right? There's justifiable homicide, manslaughter, etc... The same goes for the evil Raubmordkopierer.

That depends. Shepard can leave Zaeed to die or those workers. That is indirect murder. How is that justified?

It's in Terminus System so he can't get charged for that in Council and Alliance space and Zaeed is not citizen of either of those so they don't have right to press charges and put him in jail.
Unless one of those Terminus System government allows it.

I think Zaeed was born in Alliance space. Wouldn't that make him a citizen? Either way, it is still murder. He may not get charged, but it's still murder.

[Ramirez Wolfen]

Also, on Illium, Shepard can either hit or shoot Conrad Verner. That is assault. And shooting him in a public place? Shouldn't he get fined for discharging a weapon in a public place? I know the TRADE laws on Illium are a bit lax, but I highly doubt they let people shoot one another out in the open.

[jamesp81]

In ME1, Shepard is a spectre. He can do any damned thing he wants.

In ME2, he can get his Spectre status reinstated. Even if he doesn't......good luck finding someone in C-Sec willing to try to arrest him. Not gonna happen. And anyone who tried would disappear on a permanent basis.

[LordAnguis]

Ramirez Wolffen, if you have such a problem with BioWare's Renegade Shepard, just don't play that style. Or is that too difficult to think of?
In regards to actions Shepard has committed that could be considered crimes of any nature, since that's what this threads about:
1. ME2 Mineral Scanning (Especially if you take if from the local Systems)
2. Letting Balak bleed out (torture).
3. Kill Rachni (Genocide of Species) (Includes allusion in dialogue with the Turian Councilor you'd do the same with his species)..
4. Allowing Council to Die (ME1 Renegade Ending)
5. Killing Feros Colony (But if their was a true Renegade option, it would have allowed you to kill Lizbeth and everyone else as well)
6. Orchestrating the Death of Anoleis and Gianni Parisini
7. Technically, helping Liara in ME2 find the Observer/Nyxeris
8. Saving the Genophage research from Maelon's console (According to the Council, anyways)
9. Giving evidence during Tali's trial.
10. Selling Legion to Cerberus

As you can see, what crimes continue to become ludicrous, especially since I tend to accept the Council's offer of Spectre reinstatement even playing a Renegade Shepard. You bring evidence to the Three Stooges and Anderson/Udina, and they've no choice to accept your decisions as necessary.
I also notice most of your 'crime' things are listed in the Renegade section. Again, as I said earlier, you don't like the Renegade Shepard, don't play it. Is it possible that there will be legal action against Shepard in one form or another later on? Yes. But how many of those actions is there proof of?
In regards to the Quarian Fleet and Shepard mining the area around them.... Exactly what are they going to do? The Normandy, for most people, has been upgraded in armor, shields, and weapons. If the Quarians attacked a Cerberus vessel, which the NOrmandy is even if you don't count it as such, than Cerberus would respond. Also, the Quarians like to go on about 'crimes'. Well, they're the biggest bunch of criminals themselves. Or are you saying they have license to mine those worlds as well?

[Ramirez Wolfen]

ashwind wrote...

@OP
I think at this point - Shepard would have punched you too 

[edit]
- and got away with it too I might add 

:devil:

Not trying to be funny here, but I would beat the BRAKES off of Shepard. One time, I got into a fight with a US Army Officer (he was off duty and this was at a store, but he still had his uniform on) and I kicked his ass. I highly doubt Shepard will be any better.

[jamesp81]

Ramirez Wolfen wrote...

ashwind wrote...

@OP
I think at this point - Shepard would have punched you too 

[edit]
- and got away with it too I might add 

:devil:

Not trying to be funny here, but I would beat the BRAKES off of Shepard. One time, I got into a fight with a US Army Officer (he was off duty and this was at a store, but he still had his uniform on) and I kicked his ass. I highly doubt Shepard will be any better.

Shepard won't fight with you.  He'll simply shoot you in the head and walk away:devil:

[Ramirez Wolfen]

LordAnguis wrote...

Ramirez Wolffen, if you have such a problem with BioWare's Renegade Shepard, just don't play that style. Or is that too difficult to think of?
In regards to actions Shepard has committed that could be considered crimes of any nature, since that's what this threads about:
1. ME2 Mineral Scanning (Especially if you take if from the local Systems)
2. Letting Balak bleed out (torture).
3. Kill Rachni (Genocide of Species) (Includes allusion in dialogue with the Turian Councilor you'd do the same with his species)..
4. Allowing Council to Die (ME1 Renegade Ending)
5. Killing Feros Colony (But if their was a true Renegade option, it would have allowed you to kill Lizbeth and everyone else as well)
6. Orchestrating the Death of Anoleis and Gianni Parisini
7. Technically, helping Liara in ME2 find the Observer/Nyxeris
8. Saving the Genophage research from Maelon's console (According to the Council, anyways)
9. Giving evidence during Tali's trial.
10. Selling Legion to Cerberus

As you can see, what crimes continue to become ludicrous, especially since I tend to accept the Council's offer of Spectre reinstatement even playing a Renegade Shepard. You bring evidence to the Three Stooges and Anderson/Udina, and they've no choice to accept your decisions as necessary.
I also notice most of your 'crime' things are listed in the Renegade section. Again, as I said earlier, you don't like the Renegade Shepard, don't play it. Is it possible that there will be legal action against Shepard in one form or another later on? Yes. But how many of those actions is there proof of?
In regards to the Quarian Fleet and Shepard mining the area around them.... Exactly what are they going to do? The Normandy, for most people, has been upgraded in armor, shields, and weapons. If the Quarians attacked a Cerberus vessel, which the NOrmandy is even if you don't count it as such, than Cerberus would respond. Also, the Quarians like to go on about 'crimes'. Well, they're the biggest bunch of criminals themselves. Or are you saying they have license to mine those worlds as well?

Yeah it's unbearable!<_<

But what I'm saying is, Shepard should face decisive legal action against him/her. It would make a nice twist to things.

[Ramirez Wolfen]

jamesp81 wrote...

Ramirez Wolfen wrote...

ashwind wrote...

@OP
I think at this point - Shepard would have punched you too 

[edit]
- and got away with it too I might add 

:devil:

Not trying to be funny here, but I would beat the BRAKES off of Shepard. One time, I got into a fight with a US Army Officer (he was off duty and this was at a store, but he still had his uniform on) and I kicked his ass. I highly doubt Shepard will be any better.

Shepard won't fight with you.  He'll simply shoot you in the head and walk away:devil:

I guess I'm screwed LOL

[LordAnguis]

Ramirez Wolfen wrote...

LordAnguis wrote...

Ramirez Wolffen, if you have such a problem with BioWare's Renegade Shepard, just don't play that style. Or is that too difficult to think of?
In regards to actions Shepard has committed that could be considered crimes of any nature, since that's what this threads about:
1. ME2 Mineral Scanning (Especially if you take if from the local Systems)
2. Letting Balak bleed out (torture).
3. Kill Rachni (Genocide of Species) (Includes allusion in dialogue with the Turian Councilor you'd do the same with his species)..
4. Allowing Council to Die (ME1 Renegade Ending)
5. Killing Feros Colony (But if their was a true Renegade option, it would have allowed you to kill Lizbeth and everyone else as well)
6. Orchestrating the Death of Anoleis and Gianni Parisini
7. Technically, helping Liara in ME2 find the Observer/Nyxeris
8. Saving the Genophage research from Maelon's console (According to the Council, anyways)
9. Giving evidence during Tali's trial.
10. Selling Legion to Cerberus

As you can see, what crimes continue to become ludicrous, especially since I tend to accept the Council's offer of Spectre reinstatement even playing a Renegade Shepard. You bring evidence to the Three Stooges and Anderson/Udina, and they've no choice to accept your decisions as necessary.
I also notice most of your 'crime' things are listed in the Renegade section. Again, as I said earlier, you don't like the Renegade Shepard, don't play it. Is it possible that there will be legal action against Shepard in one form or another later on? Yes. But how many of those actions is there proof of?
In regards to the Quarian Fleet and Shepard mining the area around them.... Exactly what are they going to do? The Normandy, for most people, has been upgraded in armor, shields, and weapons. If the Quarians attacked a Cerberus vessel, which the NOrmandy is even if you don't count it as such, than Cerberus would respond. Also, the Quarians like to go on about 'crimes'. Well, they're the biggest bunch of criminals themselves. Or are you saying they have license to mine those worlds as well?

Yeah it's unbearable!<_<

But what I'm saying is, Shepard should face decisive legal action against him/her. It would make a nice twist to things.

Actually, I think that the whole 'decisive legal action' is going to be one of those outcomes in ME3. Remember, ME3 is the final. They're bringing to bear all of our choices from playthroughs. I'd wager that part of our issue in ME3 that's gonna take a while is a trial. Bet you that, if we're found guilty, we're only allowed to deal with the Reapers before being jailed. Then again, if we save the galaxy again, well, I'd guess that at least humans would be pushing for amnesty. And if it was decided in a human court, rather than via the Council.....
 My personal bet on a punishment regarding choices we've made is this: permanent exile from Council space. The events in the Terminus Systems are not something under Council jursidiction, and that's where a majority of the planet scanning takes place, including the Migrant Fleet issue.
 Of course, if you join Cerberus completely, which I bet is going to be an official option either in Arrival or early in ME3, than there's the additional charge of being a terrorist, whatever the player believes aside. Me, I like Cerberus getting things done. But do I like some of their projects? No. (Supersoldier, Overlord, and the one studying Husks are just a few of my issues with Cerberus in both games).
 Anyways, I see your point, and in all likelihood, this is one of those outcomes. Then again, a Renegade outcome may be the best for all we know. We'll have to see if the galaxy survives the Reaper Fleet first.

[Manic Sheep]

In ME1 you’re a spectre so you can do whatever the hell you want unless the council decides you’ve gone too far and revoke your spectre status. Your “above the law” like most protagonist in games only this time they just gave you an actual reason for being above the law.
In ME2 you’re mostly out in the Terminus System so not the councils problem anyway and you can reclaim your spectre status.
Tho the Alliance did try and send Hackett after you I think but he refused. You would have to have a death wish to try and arrest Shepard.

Modifié par Manic Sheep, 20 mars 2011 - 06:44 .

[LordAnguis]

Ramirez Wolfen wrote...

ashwind wrote...

@OP
I think at this point - Shepard would have punched you too 

[edit]
- and got away with it too I might add 

:devil:

Not trying to be funny here, but I would beat the BRAKES off of Shepard. One time, I got into a fight with a US Army Officer (he was off duty and this was at a store, but he still had his uniform on) and I kicked his ass. I highly doubt Shepard will be any better.

Slightly off topic, but why were you even fighting with the soldier? Don't tell me you went after him about being part of the military. I'm not a major fan of the military in general, but they're a necessary element in the world today. Not to mention, they answer to politicians. Politicians are the ones who choose what wars to fight and for how long. You don't like various wars, petition the politicians. Going after the soldiers won't do any good.

 (Sorry, just have a friend in Afghanistan right now. He'd probably use a lot worse language if he jumped to a conclusion like I'm sure I have. Apologies if I did.)
 If you didn't go at the soldier, I'm guessing they went after you for some reason. Just wondering why you ended up in a fight with one in the first place. Again, sorry about the speech above.

[Pwener2313]

Click my sig, it is posssible for some jail time.

[CroGamer002]

Ramirez Wolfen wrote...

I think Zaeed was born in Alliance space. Wouldn't that make him a citizen? Either way, it is still murder. He may not get charged, but it's still murder.

Well I never denied that.

[MassEffect762]

Don't worry, what goes around comes around.

[Ramirez Wolfen]

Mesina2 wrote...

Ramirez Wolfen wrote...

I think Zaeed was born in Alliance space. Wouldn't that make him a citizen? Either way, it is still murder. He may not get charged, but it's still murder.

Well I never denied that.

I didn't say you did. I think I was just being a Captain Obvious.

[Ramirez Wolfen]

LordAnguis wrote...

Ramirez Wolfen wrote...

ashwind wrote...

@OP
I think at this point - Shepard would have punched you too 

[edit]
- and got away with it too I might add 

:devil:

Not trying to be funny here, but I would beat the BRAKES off of Shepard. One time, I got into a fight with a US Army Officer (he was off duty and this was at a store, but he still had his uniform on) and I kicked his ass. I highly doubt Shepard will be any better.

Slightly off topic, but why were you even fighting with the soldier? Don't tell me you went after him about being part of the military. I'm not a major fan of the military in general, but they're a necessary element in the world today. Not to mention, they answer to politicians. Politicians are the ones who choose what wars to fight and for how long. You don't like various wars, petition the politicians. Going after the soldiers won't do any good.

 (Sorry, just have a friend in Afghanistan right now. He'd probably use a lot worse language if he jumped to a conclusion like I'm sure I have. Apologies if I did.)
 If you didn't go at the soldier, I'm guessing they went after you for some reason. Just wondering why you ended up in a fight with one in the first place. Again, sorry about the speech above.

Actually, it was about his wife making a racist comment. I walked past her in an aisle (the store is a high-end one) and she mentioned to her husband "I'm glad he didn't rob me. Can he even afford this store?" (I'm black btw). I turned around and told her it was 2010 (that was the year) and that she needed to get her head out of her ass, because all I was hearing was ****. And then he said don't talk to my wife that way, and I responded with "**** you!" and you can see where that went.

[Destroy Raiden_]

Punching a reporter who makes false claims is fair game she's trying to smear sheps name with her slanderous TV reports she should be fired so a punch or two her way she deserves and she does nothing to not provoke people.

She seams to enjoy provoking people just like on Jerry Springer, he'd let the fighting people go to verbally abuse and insult one another and then only after 3 - 4 proper punches were delivered he'd tell the bouncers to break them up.

I speculate the face of steel reporter does the same with her audience, rails up whomever she's interviewing just so she can get socked or threatened or what have you so her ratings drive up and she makes lots of cash. After all no one in their right mind would continuously goad Krogan, Volus, and Humans as many times as she does, keep getting socked, and come back for more with out serious pay off.

But for more serious actual crimes on sheps part assaulting one slanderous reporter is minor fine material compared to slaughtering Feros colony in ME sure shep can say they all turned into zombies and he/she had to put them down but with exogeni covering that part up he/she wouldn't have much to stand on and proving zombies would be very difficult. So crimes against humanity would be applied here or whatever law this fictitious world would have equivalent to it.

Killing drug lords is doing the world a favor so unless whomever is bringing up the charges on that is desperate we won't see it.

Now we have the 1sth degree (planned) murder of Feros Girl, Saren's base research girl, Fist, Krogan wanna be commader girl, Red Sand drug lord from ME, ect basically you deliberately sought them out and killed them you've got a charge.

Second degree murder of Okeer (could easily be made to be shep killed him instead of girl I mean he did conveniently leave the room and Okeer died of poison.)

You'd get minor charges filed for being an accessory to murder with fist, sidonis, fade, Miranda's friend, and if you killed that politician during thane's loyalty mission. You'd also get accessory after the fact sense you helped all your friend run and evade capture.

You'd get minor chargers filed if not community service for aiding a prisoner in escape sense the funds didn't clear before you freed her and all records of such funds were destroyed in prison.

You'd get willful destruction or defacing of property for blowing up Purgatory, Cerberus base Jack goes to, and any side quest buildings shep blew up. Not to mention several other prisioners got freed with your effort.

You'd get creating a public disturbance for the hostage incident in SB which would give you a fine if not community service.

You'd get theft from the government sense you passed that geth data to Tali and that would be discharge from the military and prison

Tim could file a joint law suit for theft of personal property, willful damage to his personal property, and the misuse and mishandling of funds why? because after ME2 you say FU to tim you stole his ship, his crew, and all the tech he put into you. Hell he could even claim you as his property!

There is the charge of aiding and abiding terrorist and fugitives so the fact you helped, housed, fed, and gave medical care to Thane (murderer), Jack (same), Garrus (same), Zeed (terrorist), Kasumi (thief), Miranda (murderer and terrorist), Jacob (terrorist), Samara (murder to the standard of non asari), and Liara (murderer) you've committed this crime.

Ok that's all I can come up with for now off the top of my head.

Modifié par Destroy Raiden , 20 mars 2011 - 07:27 .

[Lee337]

Innoccent until proven the reapers aren't coming!

[Ramirez Wolfen]

Actually, punching that reporter is not fair game. It is assualt. She did not make Shepard in any way have to physically defen his/her self.

[Harmless Crunch]

Bringing Grunt (Who is a baby) to a strip club!

[MadCat221]

I'm sure Saren did plenty of nasty things too. Heck, there's a book on one of his deeds. Why wasn't he arrested?

Oh, yeah, that's right, he was a SPECTRE. I'm really not sure the notion of this power of legal exemption that Spectres have is sinking in.

Why is siding with Cerberus not as bad as Saren's treason?   Because Shepard hasn't actually committed an actual act, beyond being stuck with them.  Saren openly attacked a Council associate member's world.

C-Sec Cop Harassing Lia'Viel: "How about I run you in for obstruction of justice?"
Shepard: "You think you're gonna run in a Spectre?"
C-Sec Cop Harassing Lia'Viel: "Sonuva...!"

If he doesn't get his Spectre badge back in ME2, then yes, by legal rights he should be arrested.  But if he does... he gets that wonderful power of legalized carte blanche back.

Modifié par MadCat221, 20 mars 2011 - 07:43 .