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[Balerion84]

 For me, the Warden. Sure, I like voices in my games, and when I played DA:O it felt a bit strange that my character was the only one not talking. But in DA2 Hawke already has a character thanks to the voice, while in DA:O (which I'm currently replaying) I felt the Warden was a lot more "me" than Hawke could ever be. 
When the character has voice, than I'm playing the game 'with' the main hero. When he's mute like DA:O, I'm the hero.
There are advantages to both.

[Sacred_Fantasy]

Warheadz wrote...
Would you give up the wheel and Voiced main character to regain the dialogue tree and the amount of dialogue choices it offered?

More:
And another question:
Do you prefer the more roleplayish, traditional- approach Origins had going on, or the cinematic and modern approach Dragon Age 2 took? If you can, explain why.

I have learn to accept voiced protagonist but I'm still having problem matching the paraphrase words with my intent. Origins can be played as first person perspective. Every time my warden talk, the camera switch to first person view to give impression that I'm inside the character body and the dialogues choices are floating in my mind. So when I click  I am talking except I don't have the voice.  Because I feel I am talking ( even mute ), therefore,  I am the Warden. I love my main character. Heck I spend 2 days and half to morph one of my character's face. When her families died, I was devastated. I was so eager  to kill Rendon Howe. When Varric mentioned about the Warden at the end of his tale, I feel sadness because I always know I am the Warden.. the Hero of Ferelden. 

DA 2 employ third person narrator, Varric as the storyteller. There's absolutely zero first person perspective. Everything is described by Varric as "he/she is the Champion of Kirkwall" instead of "I am the champion of Kirkwall," Furthermore, the existent of exaggerating element to question the truth of the story hurt my role-play badly. This isn't my real story. This is Varric tale. Because this isn't my real story I cannot connect myself to Hawke. When Hawke talks, I watch him as different person rather than myself. I mean who on earth can see his own facial expression? Hawke's facial expression isn't mine. ( Same goes to his voice but I close my eye on that ). Why am I have to bother with how his face expression looks?  I really can't understand this. Am I suppose to watch a movie or what? This character I get shape his personality based on 3 different dominant choices and I get to choose what armor to wear, gender, class, talents etc... and yet I don't feel I live through his world. His personal story has no impact on me. Each time one of his family dies, I don't feel anything. The story suppose to be cliffhanger, yet,  I don't feel the eagerness to know what happen next. Instead I'm glad the story end. I feel absolutely nothing about Hawke. There is no connection. His world is not mine. His personal story is not mine. It's Varric's Tale and this story is about his main character called Hawke. I just control Hawke like I control other NPCs. There's nothing special about Hawke. Because I am not Hawke, the Champion of Kirkwall.

Modifié par Sacred_Fantasy, 21 mars 2011 - 11:43 .

[segatakai]

The warden felt more like my own.

[Spanishcat]

Pre-launch, I HATED the notion that we'd have a talky-Hawke. But now? Seeing as Jo Wyatt blows away both Shepard's? I think it results in a far better game. Less on a true  RPG, sure, but a better, more engaging experience.

The more personal nature of the narrative helped, too, and Hawke shows up Shepard for being the personality free meta-avatar she/he always has been.

Due to GAMEKILLING BUGS I've still not finished my first playthrough, so I'm not entirely sure how a male Hawke will fare (re quality of acting).

Overall, I'd now favour a talking PC.

[Sirsmirkalot]

The warden for sure. Both the dialogue wheel and the voice took away a lot of the freedom to invest into my own character.

[ColaQueen]

Baldrick67 wrote...

If you need to hear your character speak lines in a RPG to "immerse" yourself in the character you must have little immagination.

By reading the actual reply in DAO I was able to fully weigh the response in my mind. In DA2 Hawke doesn't even say what is on the wheel - very confusing.

Oh yes this must be true, forget that I write actual fiction full of characters whose voice I only hear in my head, paint, read, write poetry, day dream etc I guess I have no imagination because I embrace the voiced Hawke.

[Warheadz]

I personally don't care about whether my character is voiced or not, but what I want is to get the tree and the multiple amount of choices it offered. The current wheel with the intention and paraphrasing, with minor to no choice overall during the course of the game kind of ruined the role-playing experience for me. It's a high price to pay for the voiced main character, and I can't do anything but wonder if it's worth it.

[Nathan Redgrave]

BobSmith101 wrote...

Warden

When it comes to RPGs the less control the writers have over the character, the more you can make it your own.

The writers didn't have less control, though. Now, you could say the actor has more control over Hawke, but that's more a hazard of the dialogue system and the presence of a voice, than anything.

Now, for my part, the Warden felt more "mine," but Hawke felt more "alive." If that makes any sense.

[lady constance]

SilverSentinel wrote...

Baldrick67 wrote...

If you need to hear your character speak lines in a RPG to "immerse" yourself in the character you must have little immagination.

By reading the actual reply in DAO I was able to fully weigh the response in my mind. In DA2 Hawke doesn't even say what is on the wheel - very confusing.

Oh yes this must be true, forget that I write actual fiction full of characters whose voice I only hear in my head, paint, read, write poetry, day dream etc I guess I have no imagination because I embrace the voiced Hawke.

Embracing is different than NEEDING.

[Captain_Obvious]

I prefer voiced characters, so I'll say Hawke. I didn't mind the unvoiced Warden, but I always thought it was silly that the only character in the game that was mute was mine.

[MindFlayer360]

My wardens, especially since I could choose exactly what they were going to say and there were no surprises. Even during the rare times I didn't like any of the options, I could still choose confidently the 'lesser evil' response. I would love to trade out the wheel and voiced main character for the dialogue tree.

However, if the PC is going to be voiced from now on, can we at least cut out the segments where the character speaks without player input? I was willing to experiment with the wheel and the voice (even though I prefer mute and the tree better) but Hawke speaking on her own never stopped being annoying to me. For example, my character in the beginning was mostly using 'funny' responses with maybe one or two diplomatic responses for their family (like 'we're in this together'). Then the scene comes where Hawke declares that south is the way to go. Even with choosing mostly snarky choices, my character automatically went to the 'diplomatic' choice when I would have preferred the 'funny' choice in that instance. At the end of the day, that's what soured my opinion of the voiced protagonist the most.

[Niarviel]

They both were my character! But i sorta have to lean towards Hawke due to the whole personality thing. That was just a awesome feature in the game in my opinion. I loved being the witty rogue, ah the jokes...

But they were both my character, the warden had more customization in the range of what they were and such but without that voice, there was no tone. I felt more in depth with my Hawke.

[Zcorck]

Warden all the way.
Although I would contribute the decision to the flexibility of the characters and the VAs of Hawke.
Didn't really like the male, but the female was good for the most part.
And for a non-voiced protagonist the budget could also be diverted into something else.

[Dareat]

JabbaDaHutt30 wrote...

the warden was very flexible.

Ah yes, but Hawke certainly has reach.

[frostedwing]

The Warden will always feel more "mine" because everything feels like it's your decision. But at the same time I like Hawke, yeah it's less under my control, but at the same time my decisions change how the story unfolds.

[sleepyowlet]

The Warden. She was mine. I was able to make up her personality and really roleplay her. Hawke isn't mine.

I'd gladly see the wheel go - I don't like facepalming every five minutes because the character I'm supposed to play says something completely unexpected/stupid.

After finishing DA2, my forehead is still kinda sore...

[AnathamaDye]

Hawke.

[Razcalking1978]

 Oh please.  Useless question, of course the Mute Warden was more "your character", he/she had no personality at all.

Now which one is a BETTER character? Hawke, by miles.

[Fausty Claws]

Hawke would make a great companion to the Warden don't you think?

We all suffered I think when we lost the myriad options of dialogue in exchange for some very good voice work. Again though, he'd make a great companion.

[Gamejudge]

Warden.

[DanaScu]

Razcalking1978 wrote...

 Oh please.  Useless question, of course the Mute Warden was more "your character", he/she had no personality at all.

Now which one is a BETTER character? Hawke, by miles.

Better character to watch, perhaps.

Better character to play? Not so much, especially when you don't know what  he/she will say when you pick a hint.

Everyone has their own opinion.

[ALVIG824]

my warden obviously. i don't have an English accent.

[Maclimes]

 The Warden was definetly more "mine".

But I still like Hawke better. The voice makes such a difference. It was hard to connect with my warden, even though I felt more like he belonged to me.

[45hitman]

Warden

[twaninator]

I have to go with the warden on this one. I mean, the warden was YOUR character, whoever you wished that to be and BioWare intended it to be that way:

http://pc.ign.com/ar...2/982624p1.html

I'm not sure what caused this philosophy to suddenly change, but I can't help feeling like Hawke comes off as just another cliche "badass" archetype.

Granted, his delivery never reaches the comically over-the-top fratboy douchery of Shepard, but his personality (or sometimes lack thereof) continuously broke my immersion.