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[DanteCousland]

I know this is just one quote but to me this was by far my fauvorite DA2 Quote. I mean firstly the VA of Saemus was brilliant (Saemus himself was a bit of a pleb at times though) and he just delivered the line perfectly, I mean the timing was spot on but what is best about this line is that it summarises the Qunari. In one line he manages to sum up what the Qun is all about. I mean alot of people on here and in game seem to think there facist monsters which they would be if they were human...but there not. In fact in a society such as theres where it is all about the greater good, where ones emotions don't factor into things the way of the Qun is the right way to go. Anyway I'm starting to sound like a Qun convert but this line really got to me. In fact it now replaces "The Qun is a lie" as my fauvorite quote (Gotta love Armass). Anyway yeah what do you think of the Qunari/ how would you summarise them. Discuss ,

Modifié par DanteCousland, 20 mars 2011 - 05:52 .

[vigna]

Arishok?

[DanteCousland]

What no Saemus was reffering to ashaad, the name of an infantry scout.

[Vandicus]

No, Saemus's friend ashaad.

Modifié par Vandicus, 20 mars 2011 - 06:02 .

[vigna]

Oh, Ok. I agree...I love their lack of BS. It's refreshing.

[Zing Freelancer]

The Qun is qun.
If qun says you are a warrior, you will be a warrior. Regardless if you wish to be an Archer or gardener. It gives you purpose and meaning. But it takes away the joy of living.

I do not wish to accept the Qun and it seem like completely impossible to compromise or mix Qun into human society. You either 100% Qun or your not.

[Navasha]

Thats just the point. Ashaad wasn't a name, it was an occupation. Sten, Ashaad, Arishock.... they had no individuality. It would be like people not having names, just work descriptions. Baker, Butcher, Carpenter. They are not individuals with individual dreams or goals. They work to serve their purpose and don't strive to be anything greater than what someone else has told them to be. There isn't even a "greater good". Its like a colony of ants going about each day just to exist to the next. Who gives up individuality to become a worker ant? Its not as appealing to most people as you might think.

[DanteCousland]

Shanedan.
All I can say really when I see this corruption... when I see it leeching it's way through the Bas... it's hard to stop one crying pashaara. The amount of corruption I see in the Bas is shameful. Accept the Qun and we will rid Thedas of this decadence. Take your rightful role in society and become viddathari.
Ataash Qunari!

Modifié par DanteCousland, 20 mars 2011 - 06:11 .

[vigna]

No, the lack of BS was refreshing though.

[DanteCousland]

Vigna would have a suitable role in the Qun he strikes me as sataareth the Qun, the rest of you strike me as qameks...

[Medhia Nox]

I would join the Qun in a second. You are free to leave the Qun after all - you become Tal Vashoth, and are no longer considered Qunari.

As someone implied, my "purpose" in the Qun would be gardening/agriculture as that is my profession in real life. I already pursue that as my life goal, so doing so in a structured society of people who say what they mean sounds good. If I recall correctly -the Arishok says that you choose your purpose - you just can't change your purpose.

I actually think that only people prone to over-indulging base impulses would fear the Qun.

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Though I'll admit that having no cookies does seem like some strange arbitrary lack among the Qunari. Unless they're afraid that sugar highs will create ADD amongst the Qun and that would be unacceptable.

Modifié par Medhia Nox, 20 mars 2011 - 06:19 .

[vigna]

Medhia Nox wrote...

I would join the Qun in a second. You are free to leave the Qun after all - you become Tal Vashoth, and are no longer considered Qunari.

As someone implied, my "purpose" in the Qun would be gardening/agriculture as that is my profession in real life. I already pursue that as my life goal, so doing so in a structured society of people who say what they mean sounds good. If I recall correctly -the Arishok says that you choose your purpose - you just can't change your purpose.

I actually think that only people prone to over-indulging base impulses would fear the Qun.

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Though I'll admit that having no cookies does seem like some strange arbitrary lack among the Qunari. Unless they're afraid that sugar highs will create ADD amongst the Qun and that would be unacceptable.

Of course, ADD led to DAII.

Modifié par vigna, 20 mars 2011 - 06:22 .

[Vandicus]

Medhia Nox wrote...

I would join the Qun in a second. You are free to leave the Qun after all - you become Tal Vashoth, and are no longer considered Qunari.

As someone implied, my "purpose" in the Qun would be gardening/agriculture as that is my profession in real life. I already pursue that as my life goal, so doing so in a structured society of people who say what they mean sounds good. If I recall correctly -the Arishok says that you choose your purpose - you just can't change your purpose.

I actually think that only people prone to over-indulging base impulses would fear the Qun.

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Though I'll admit that having no cookies does seem like some strange arbitrary lack among the Qunari. Unless they're afraid that sugar highs will create ADD amongst the Qun and that would be unacceptable.

Well I guess I'm one of those people who is prone to over-indugling base impulses then . I sure as heck would not like anyone ever telling me what my job is, and how I'm supposed to live my life. I prefer to selfishly defend my freedom to choose .

You're incorrect about being able to choose your purpose. For example, the Sarebass.

Leaving the Qunari is like leaving the Mob. Tal Vashoth are actually hunted by the Qunari. Sure I can choose to leave, but it means being hunted.

[Count Viceroy]

Vandicus wrote...

You're incorrect about being able to choose your purpose. For example, the Sarebass.

Having ones mouth sewn shut must be an amazing experience.

[DanteCousland]

We will set up the League of Online Qunari. I will be an Ashkaari due to my position in founding this organisation. Vigna will be karashok, a soldier. Medhia Nox will be a gardner growing jade and white moon in the gardens of Par Vollen.

[DanteCousland]

Vashedan, the sarebass are to be pitied but controlled.

[Medhia Nox]

The Saarebas are mages - and if you free the seerabas in the quest, he chooses to follow the Qun. He's not a slave and he's no more mind controlled than anyone who believes in their form of government.

And if you notice - the saarebas tells the main Qunari in that quest when he wants to speak. The Qunari says: "Are you sure?" The seerabas nods and the qunari allows it. Then he speaks. Let's not be overly dramatic about how enslaved they are - the one seerabas we're presented with wants to live the way he does.

Modifié par Medhia Nox, 20 mars 2011 - 06:27 .

[Count Viceroy]

Medhia Nox wrote...
 The seerabas nods and the qunari allows it. Then he speaks. Let's not be overly dramatic about how enslaved they are - the one seerabas we're presented with wants to live the way he does.

Because you're indoctrinated from birth to think nothing else. It's very much the same in real life cultists.
To speak out against authority is the ultimate heresy. They are willing slaves. Nothing more.

Modifié par Count Viceroy, 20 mars 2011 - 06:35 .

[Vandicus]

Medhia Nox wrote...

The Saarebas are mages - and if you free the seerabas in the quest, he chooses to follow the Qun. He's not a slave and he's no more mind controlled than anyone who believes in their form of government.

And if you notice - the saarebas tells the main Qunari in that quest when he wants to speak. The Qunari says: "Are you sure?" The seerabas nods and the qunari allows it. Then he speaks. Let's not be overly dramatic about how enslaved they are - the one seerabas we're presented with wants to live the way he does.

A  Saarebas does not get to choose his profession was my point. As CountViceroy said, they're very heavily indoctrinated. Also, you misinterpret what the Saarebas says there. The saarebas is actually asking him to kill him there instead of at the compound.

[vigna]

Plus the Saarebas are probably not turning to blood magic, and morphing into abominations or worse randomly. They are good mages.

[Vandicus]

vigna wrote...

Plus the Saarebas are probably not turning to blood magic, and morphing into abominations or worse randomly. They are good mages.

The irony is that this supports the idea that oppressing mages is the only way to eliminate blood magic and demon possession. Stupid Qunari.

[Badwolfwho]

Qunari are individuals. Sten for example, sure there are many Stens but the one from Origins acts differently to any of the Qunari we see in DA2, and if you bring him to the Circle of Magi you see that the Qunari he travelled with were also individuals.
I'd far prefer living under Qunari rule than putting up with what happened over the next few years in Kirkwall.
I'd be cool with joining the LOQ.

[blothulfur]

Kirkwall all I see in this abyss of filth and corruption that is named a city is the suffering of the downtrodden and the weak, the whining for freedom of the saarebas as they mock all law, consort with demons and become abominations and the corruption of the fattened swine that suck at the teats of their decadent mother while demanding ever more.

This is the world without the Qun where the good and dutiful are rewarded with scorn and murder whilst the villainous hide behind ideals and rights they have not earned or deserve, the Arishok saw this and could not stand idly by while the bas damned themselves to the depth of unknowing.

"Pashaara", he roared to our gathered ranks, "we have suffered slander, murder and theft and now finally we shall teach these swine what it is to squeal and face the butchers block so that order and right may come to this blighted pit under the righteous shield of the Qun".

We failed for we were too few but I ask you this bas, was he wrong?

Thought for the day: The sun rises, the tides turn and the Qun must conquer all, these are simple facts neither worthy of discussion or denial.

Anaan esaam Qun.

[Silveryne]

Count Viceroy wrote...

Medhia Nox wrote...
 The seerabas nods and the qunari allows it. Then he speaks. Let's not be overly dramatic about how enslaved they are - the one seerabas we're presented with wants to live the way he does.

Because you're indoctrinated from birth to think nothing else. It's very much the same in real life cultists.
To speak out against authority is the ultimate heresy. They are willing slaves. Nothing more.

Except it's not like cultists. It's a different culture. Cultural relativism, ya dig?

[Vandicus]

Silveryne wrote...

Count Viceroy wrote...

Medhia Nox wrote...
 The seerabas nods and the qunari allows it. Then he speaks. Let's not be overly dramatic about how enslaved they are - the one seerabas we're presented with wants to live the way he does.

Because you're indoctrinated from birth to think nothing else. It's very much the same in real life cultists.
To speak out against authority is the ultimate heresy. They are willing slaves. Nothing more.

Except it's not like cultists. It's a different culture. Cultural relativism, ya dig?

Calling indoctrination culture doesn't make it any less indoctrination. A good example is North Korea's program of indoctrination. Do you view worshipping the Great Leader as culture?