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[blothulfur]

We of the ashkaari are forever seeking knowledge and understanding for it is through the search for answers and the eternal asking of questions that we come closer to the Qun and the enlightenment of harmony that Koslun saw and gave to us in written word.

There is an order in the universe that holds back the tyranny of entropy, this the greatest minds of our people have seen and proved and so we shall bring this perfection of the Qun to all reality lest we be swept away by the tides of chaos and become ignorant barbarians like unto the bas of Thedas, forever damned in the pits of unknowing.

Anaan esaam Qun.

[Vandicus]

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Count Viceroy wrote...

Because you're indoctrinated from birth to think nothing else. It's very much the same in real life cultists.
To speak out against authority is the ultimate heresy. They are willing slaves. Nothing more.

What about speaking out against democracy? Who says that is by necessity the only right way to live? We are all indoctrinated.

I'm unsure of your point here. Many people speak out against democracy on a daily basis, and I've made quite a few criticisms of what I view to be its flaws irl. How do you qualify the statement that we are all indoctrinated?

Society isn't indoctrinated precisely but it is certainly influenced along certain rigid lines. Think of the problems a lot of utopian thinkers had with implementing certain aspects of their visions in rl? Think of the fear and antagonism something as simple as universal health care engendered in our own country. Think of societies tendency for war. It seems that along the way, we're unable to break free from the self defeating cycles of our ancestors. So society (if not indoctrinated) is being profoundly influenced along certain tracks that we sometimes don't even notice.

Specifics would be nice. BTW I'm an American against NHC, but I really think we should avoid this devolving into a political debate.

What specifics? Every generation of society is conditioned to accept or tolerate the present status quo, only remarkable individuals ever think to break or change the status quo into more positive directions. Society needed a Martin Luther King to have a civil rights movement, if people were not so rigid in their ways, the civil rights amendements wouldn't have needed a minority civil leader to make passionate rallies and appeals, they would have been enacted years ago by the government with minimum fuss.

You don't want political debate yet mention your NHC disapproval?

I mentioned NHC disapproval because you implicity insulted those who didn't agree with it.

Conditioning is not the same as systemic indoctrination. This thread is supposed to be about the Qunari. Do they use systemic indoctrination, irrelevant to beliefs about real life, yes or no?

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Also, I was hoping for specifics about questioning the Qun being part of the Qun, as you claim it was.

My comment on NHC wasn't an insult, I brought them up as they represented a recent event where positive change was resisted by a large portion of the society.

The Arishok made very many comparisons between the supposedly liberal society of Kirkwall and his own Qun. In fact Hawke can question him on the specifics and question his thinking/reasoning. The Arishok has no problem explaining his viewpoint. It obviously something every Qunari thinks about, especially in the foreign lands of Thedas. Some certainly would follow it blindly, just like in every society there are the blind and the more thoughtful. The Sarebaas would also qualify as among the more thoughtful.

The idea that NHC is inherently positive implies that resisting it was a bad thing, and there is the implicit insult.

I don't view meditating on the Qun as questioning it anymore than meditating on any religious text to create a justification is a process of questioning. The Qunari ask, how is the Qun right. If they were questioning it, they would ask, how is the Qun wrong.

Neither the Arishok and Sarebaas questions the validity of the Qun at all. They may think about it, but they still accept it absolutely and most importantly, without question. The systemic indoctrination in Qunari society as a whole is apparent in that one is literally forced to believe in the Qun.

[Mox Ruuga]

The Qun is a death cult. Death as in death of soul and free will.

Someone in the writing team seems to have a serious hard on for collectivism and conformity, since most of the "reasonable" and "good" characters seem to support the idea that Qun is either equal or even superior to the normal human, elven, and dwarven creeds. Add to that the insanly easy evangelism success they seem to have...

The Qun is what someone like Ellsworth Toohey might envison as "the perfect society".

[Badwolfwho]

DanteCousland wrote...

Vigna your truly enlightnened philosophical learnings surely make you a basalit-an.

Surely Vigna would be more suited to being an Ashkaari.

[Vandicus]

Qunari:
Very serious, very ideological, unbending in their desire to spread the Qun.

[vigna]

Badwolfwho wrote...

DanteCousland wrote...

Vigna your truly enlightnened philosophical learnings surely make you a basalit-an.

Surely Vigna would be more suited to being an Ashkaari.

Nah, maybe a baker of cookies.

[Addai]

Always cute to see nerds converting to fake religions. lol

I'm all for laissez faire. If the Qunari want to sacrifice their individuality and even their lives for the Qun, knock yourselves out, you big horned freaks. It is when they try to impose that on others that things get problematic. If their way is indeed superior, they wouldn't need to enforce it at the tip of a sword.

[Lithuasil]

How anyone can possibly perceive the most cowardly, most spineless (if competently written) race in the entire game as badass, and their Ideals as desireable, will always be beyond me :|

[EmperorSahlertz]

You can call the Qunari many things, but they aren't cowards.