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[gatorboy128]

*spoilers*
I think it's ironic how they had a confident, funny and cool mage in Awakening that the creators decided to change absolutely everything about. They chose to make him a homosexual, brooding, whiny terrorist that isn't funny in the least. I completely understand the ability to have gay romances in videogames, and support it fully, but find it amusing that they went so over the top with his sexual preference to the point where he's basically throwing himself at you at every turn. I just finished the game and am surprised at how they could have taken my favorite character from Awakening, and made him my least favoriate character in Dragon Age 2. That is all.

[Beerfish]

Agreed, he was not really likeable at any point for me and by his actions at the end he is one of my all time despised companions. Which is not all that bad if that was their intent.

[nranola]

It was a shock for me, too. I suppose time and circumstance has a way of changing people. It was nice to see him playing a larger role in the game though, however controversial.

[Count Viceroy]

He's probably the most disliked companion by far. That's a pretty strong feat. The characters that don't provoke more than a 'Meh' are the ones that failed. Aveline comes to mind. Bland oh so bland.

[Malja]

Count Viceroy wrote...

He's probably the most disliked companion by far. That's a pretty strong feat. The characters that don't provoke more than a 'Meh' are the ones that failed. Aveline comes to mind. Bland oh so bland.

It really is. I dislike him to a certain point, but I can regard him as a noteworthy character simply for that fact. He left his mark and played a significantly larger role than he did in Awakening. If he had the same personality as he did in Awakening and played the same exact role in DA2, I'd be rather bothered by how unnatural it is.

[gatorboy128]

Malja wrote...

Count Viceroy wrote...

He's probably the most disliked companion by far. That's a pretty strong feat. The characters that don't provoke more than a 'Meh' are the ones that failed. Aveline comes to mind. Bland oh so bland.

It really is. I dislike him to a certain point, but I can regard him as a noteworthy character simply for that fact. He left his mark and played a significantly larger role than he did in Awakening. If he had the same personality as he did in Awakening and played the same exact role in DA2, I'd be rather bothered by how unnatural it is.

I can see your point, but I think they could have added more to his personality without changing everything about him.

[silver-crescent]

They didn't change everything about him... but of course he wouldn't be the same character after being possessed by a spirit.

[gatorboy128]

silver-crescent wrote...

They didn't change everything about him... but of course he wouldn't be the same character after being possessed by a spirit.

I don't remember Justice being a brooding homosexual with a tendency to blow up buildings.

[Malja]

gatorboy128 wrote...

silver-crescent wrote...

They didn't change everything about him... but of course he wouldn't be the same character after being possessed by a spirit.

I don't remember Justice being a brooding homosexual with a tendency to blow up buildings.

Probably because Justice is now Vengeance. Not going to humor the homosexual remark.

[silver-crescent]

Does the fact he is bissexual really bother you that much? He never said he wasn't in Awakening.

[gatorboy128]

silver-crescent wrote...

Does the fact he is bissexual really bother you that much? He never said he wasn't in Awakening.

I couldn't care less that he's a homosexual, bisexual, or a tranny. What I do care about is having to turn him down about a half dozen times throughout the game, and having to re-load saves so that I can turn him down without making him angry and creating a rivalry with him. I played through this game at the same time a friend of mine did, and we both found it a little outrageous that you have to go to such lengths to play through the game without getting it on with him. I'm used to gay romance options in RPG's, but Bioware really turned up the gay for this one. It's not a "choice" if it's thrown in your face every ten minutes he's in your party.

[silver-crescent]

gatorboy128 wrote...

silver-crescent wrote...

Does the fact he is bissexual really bother you that much? He never said he wasn't in Awakening.

I couldn't care less that he's a homosexual, bisexual, or a tranny. What I do care about is having to turn him down about a half dozen times throughout the game, and having to re-load saves so that I can turn him down without making him angry and creating a rivalry with him. I played through this game at the same time a friend of mine did, and we both found it a little outrageous that you have to go to such lengths to play through the game without getting it on with him. I'm used to gay romance options in RPG's, but Bioware really turned up the gay for this one. It's not a "choice" if it's thrown in your face every ten minutes he's in your party.

Yeah you can turn him down on the very first conversation you get with him. Sure it gives a few rivalry points, but so what? It's not like maxing his frienship is hard either way. I had it maxed at the very beginning of act 2 for instance.

[gatorboy128]

silver-crescent wrote...

gatorboy128 wrote...

silver-crescent wrote...

Does the fact he is bissexual really bother you that much? He never said he wasn't in Awakening.

I couldn't care less that he's a homosexual, bisexual, or a tranny. What I do care about is having to turn him down about a half dozen times throughout the game, and having to re-load saves so that I can turn him down without making him angry and creating a rivalry with him. I played through this game at the same time a friend of mine did, and we both found it a little outrageous that you have to go to such lengths to play through the game without getting it on with him. I'm used to gay romance options in RPG's, but Bioware really turned up the gay for this one. It's not a "choice" if it's thrown in your face every ten minutes he's in your party.

Yeah you can turn him down on the very first conversation you get with him. Sure it gives a few rivalry points, but so what? It's not like maxing his frienship is hard either way. I had it maxed at the very beginning of act 2 for instance.

I believe you just proved my point for me. The game is specifically tailored for a gay relationship with Anders. Notice how it is NOT so with Fenris.

[Tokage]

It's because he lost the cat (Sir Pounce-a-lot)! It went downhill from there.

[gatorboy128]

Tokage wrote...

It's because he lost the cat (Sir Pounce-a-lot)! It went downhill from there.

Poor Pounce-a-lot...

[casedawgz]

The bisexuality is a non issue. I have a whole smattering of other issues with Anders, I couldn't care less about his sexuality. Man, at least when Yoshimo betrayed me I still kinda felt for him. Anders is just a tool.

[Malja]

Hyperboles, hyperboles everywhere.

[Helen0rz]

I was very disappointed with Anders in DA2, not the Anders I remembered. I was really excited to see him as LI only to get my little heart stomp on. They did great with new characters and kinda screwed over the returning ones.

[Taura-Tierno]

gatorboy128 wrote...

silver-crescent wrote...

gatorboy128 wrote...

silver-crescent wrote...

Does the fact he is bissexual really bother you that much? He never said he wasn't in Awakening.

I couldn't care less that he's a homosexual, bisexual, or a tranny. What I do care about is having to turn him down about a half dozen times throughout the game, and having to re-load saves so that I can turn him down without making him angry and creating a rivalry with him. I played through this game at the same time a friend of mine did, and we both found it a little outrageous that you have to go to such lengths to play through the game without getting it on with him. I'm used to gay romance options in RPG's, but Bioware really turned up the gay for this one. It's not a "choice" if it's thrown in your face every ten minutes he's in your party.

Yeah you can turn him down on the very first conversation you get with him. Sure it gives a few rivalry points, but so what? It's not like maxing his frienship is hard either way. I had it maxed at the very beginning of act 2 for instance.

I believe you just proved my point for me. The game is specifically tailored for a gay relationship with Anders. Notice how it is NOT so with Fenris.

Would it not be more correct to say then, that the game is specifically tailored for a relationship with Anders? You can turn him down just as much when playing a female character (I did on my second playthrough), and it has the same effect. Whether Hawke is male or female has no impact on the situation, so saying that the game is tailored for a gay relationship with him is just plain wrong.

[Souris]

Taura-Tierno wrote...

gatorboy128 wrote...

silver-crescent wrote...

gatorboy128 wrote...

silver-crescent wrote...

Does the fact he is bissexual really bother you that much? He never said he wasn't in Awakening.

I couldn't care less that he's a homosexual, bisexual, or a tranny. What I do care about is having to turn him down about a half dozen times throughout the game, and having to re-load saves so that I can turn him down without making him angry and creating a rivalry with him. I played through this game at the same time a friend of mine did, and we both found it a little outrageous that you have to go to such lengths to play through the game without getting it on with him. I'm used to gay romance options in RPG's, but Bioware really turned up the gay for this one. It's not a "choice" if it's thrown in your face every ten minutes he's in your party.

Yeah you can turn him down on the very first conversation you get with him. Sure it gives a few rivalry points, but so what? It's not like maxing his frienship is hard either way. I had it maxed at the very beginning of act 2 for instance.

I believe you just proved my point for me. The game is specifically tailored for a gay relationship with Anders. Notice how it is NOT so with Fenris.

Would it not be more correct to say then, that the game is specifically tailored for a relationship with Anders? You can turn him down just as much when playing a female character (I did on my second playthrough), and it has the same effect. Whether Hawke is male or female has no impact on the situation, so saying that the game is tailored for a gay relationship with him is just plain wrong.

THIS THIS THIS. So. Much, This.

Stop it with the homophobia already. You say you don't have a problem with it but you obviously do.

[Blacklash93]

He's an abomination now. Almost a completely different person.

Justice made him more serious and self-righteous while he made Justice more violent and angry. They both fed into each other and are completely different as a result.

At least it makes sense.

[Myusha]

Anders was a free uncaring mage. However he encountered Justice and was intrigued, by the spirit.
Soon he sought to help his friend, and his plight, having thought about the injustice of circle, and what A spirit of justice thought was horrid, and thought the struggle of mages was compelling.

A symbol of justice, sides with mages.

Anders takes Justice into his body, only for it to be warped by Ander's rage towards the injustice of the circle, that he already had during the original game. Anders kills some Grey Wardens upon doing this and flees his home with the Wardens, knowing his crime.

He now must fight against the spirit corrupting his very core, and fulfill the mission he knew he'd dedicate himself to. He would sacrifice his happiness, his joy to spread his message, and fulfill this goal. To free the mages. And with the coinciding thoughts of both Vengeance and Anders both going toward this goal, they slowly became one. Anders used his powers to heal, to show that good can come of magic, in his clinic, and after four years in Kirkwall, an outburst he couldn't control occured, proving everyone he whined and complained about the templars almost true.

After the Qunari invasion he lost interest in his cause momentarily, and in the next coming years, he probably thought of his plan, knowing that with his dying humanity, that he could do one final act that made this horrid decision worthwhile. He would have to bring change, by any means necessary.

The homosexual part, is probably Anders trying to find his former happiness that this merge and mission has almost zapped from him. In the end, he becomes a broken man.

[highcastle]

I've gone on record before as saying there's a reason why the devs chose Anders for this role. If they'd picked a completely new character with whom you had no prior interactions, it would not have been as shocking or tragic. But seeing Anders, a character who was fun-loving and witty in Awakening, deteriorate until he was utterly consumed by his ideal, it had an impact. It was a grand tragedy, and it would've been nowhere near as effective with a completely new character.

This being said, there are glimmers of the old Anders. Listen to his banters, particularly with Varric and sometimes with Isabela. He still has a sense of humor, especially during the earlier Acts. Again, you get to see his downfall over the course of the game. It's a great moment when he finally jumps off the slippery slope, particularly if he's been romanced.

I don't know if I'd call him the most hated character in the game, but I'd definitely call him the most divisive.

[gatorboy128]

Taura-Tierno wrote...

gatorboy128 wrote...

silver-crescent wrote...

gatorboy128 wrote...

silver-crescent wrote...

Does the fact he is bissexual really bother you that much? He never said he wasn't in Awakening.

I couldn't care less that he's a homosexual, bisexual, or a tranny. What I do care about is having to turn him down about a half dozen times throughout the game, and having to re-load saves so that I can turn him down without making him angry and creating a rivalry with him. I played through this game at the same time a friend of mine did, and we both found it a little outrageous that you have to go to such lengths to play through the game without getting it on with him. I'm used to gay romance options in RPG's, but Bioware really turned up the gay for this one. It's not a "choice" if it's thrown in your face every ten minutes he's in your party.

Yeah you can turn him down on the very first conversation you get with him. Sure it gives a few rivalry points, but so what? It's not like maxing his frienship is hard either way. I had it maxed at the very beginning of act 2 for instance.

I believe you just proved my point for me. The game is specifically tailored for a gay relationship with Anders. Notice how it is NOT so with Fenris.

Would it not be more correct to say then, that the game is specifically tailored for a relationship with Anders? You can turn him down just as much when playing a female character (I did on my second playthrough), and it has the same effect. Whether Hawke is male or female has no impact on the situation, so saying that the game is tailored for a gay relationship with him is just plain wrong.

*this is a lot of quotes*
More correct? Yes, probably. I guess my issue all along is how he throws himself at you time and again, and if you turn him down you get rivalry points. I guess I'd be just as insulted if I played through as a woman. A large majority of gamers, however, are male. As a result of this, it's surprsing to me they chose Anders to play that singular role of "forced" love interest.  

[heman14]

I LOVE what they did with his character. I really enjoyed him in Awakenings and was excited to have him back...but different. He wasn't the same old Anders and they did a great job showing just what it meant to have Justice be a part of him.