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[AllThatJazz]

slimgrin wrote...

And you are an English teacher?

.....

I was. An excellent one.

Why do you ask? Is there some problem in encouraging enthusiasm for literature by recognising the influence of popular culture rather than sneering at it? I know that more than one kid in my class ended up reading the Brontes because I managed to draw parallels between classic literature and whatever teenage angst series they were into. 

Modifié par AllThatJazz, 20 mars 2011 - 09:42 .

[DanaScu]

_000Darkstar wrote...
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Seriously thought, it's nearly the exact same game with a new story and sped up combat. Attributes, classes, abilities, item management, dialogue choice. All of the RPG elements are still there.

Dialogue "choice".

"I want to be a dragon."  wheel o'hints choice.

""You could show me that trick of yours, that looks useful." what is actually said.

How is that a choice? How, with that hint [I can't call it a paraphrase] is it supposed to let you know that your character will actually say something reasonable?

classes are still there. With restrictions that suddenly appear out of nowhere, with no explanations. I want to make a dual-wielding rogue; with axes. Worked a treat with Sigrun. Oh wait; the "rpg elements" now say I can't do that. Instead if I want a rogue, I get to use the generic stereotype dual-dagger rogue.

Origins had faults, and needed to be tweaked, adjusted, and fixed. However throwing the whole game out except for the setting, taking chunks of ME2, JE, and other games and mixing everything together and saying its a sequel to a game that had none of those elements isn't the best way to go about it, imo. I don't really see the unique, or the "nearly the exact same game" parts. I've played it, but I'm not buying it. It was a relief to return it.

[TwistedComplex]

People always whine about the MMO genre being stagnate, but they want to same rehashes for the RPG genre

It amazes me

[Meltemph]

Its better they read nothing, twilight not only butchers vampires, but tries to show a borderline abusive (definately stalkerish) relationship as "loving".

As much as I hate Twilight... no, just no. We have enough of a issue with people not buying/reading books anymore. It's sad how little people read books anymore. People think now, that because they read blogs and opinion columns that they read enough.

[Blastback]

Meltemph wrote...

Its better they read nothing, twilight not only butchers vampires, but tries to show a borderline abusive (definately stalkerish) relationship as "loving".

As much as I hate Twilight... no, just no. We have enough of a issue with people not buying/reading books anymore. It's sad how little people read books anymore. People think now, that because they read blogs and opinion columns that they read enough.

How about we just recomend Harry Potter instead of Twilight and leave it at that.

[AllThatJazz]

Blastback wrote...

Meltemph wrote...

Its better they read nothing, twilight not only butchers vampires, but tries to show a borderline abusive (definately stalkerish) relationship as "loving".

As much as I hate Twilight... no, just no. We have enough of a issue with people not buying/reading books anymore. It's sad how little people read books anymore. People think now, that because they read blogs and opinion columns that they read enough.

How about we just recomend Harry Potter instead of Twilight and leave it at that.

Having read Harry Potter, and never having read 'Twilight' (for me, the vamp thing was over with Buffy), I agree just because I enjoyed a couple of those books. x

And Meltemph, I agree. Terribly sad. And such a waste of centuries of brilliant literature. x

Modifié par AllThatJazz, 20 mars 2011 - 09:48 .

[slimgrin]

Or read 'Let me In'. A real book.

Modifié par slimgrin, 20 mars 2011 - 09:48 .

[AllThatJazz]

slimgrin wrote...

Or read 'Let me In'. A real book.

Or how about all of them? Because variety is the spice of life.

[Sandmanifest]

Lol what happened here? OH GOD TWILIGHT DEBATE *runs*

EDIT:
"It's like using Twilight to get someone into literature. I suppose we
applaud that - so, sure, let Bioware run with it. I'll save some money." < Medhia Nox

Ah yes, true.

Modifié par Sandmanifest, 20 mars 2011 - 09:55 .

[Medhia Nox]

I've read Harry Potter, and I believe that JK Rowlings will actually be applauded for her technical skills as well as her ability to write children's literature. I especially appreciate how from book 1 to 7 they become more serious, more mature, and more technically complex.

As for something that is 'beneath me' - it has nothing to do with technical complexity. I will defend against any member of Academia my opinion that Dr. Seuss was one of the greatest literary figures of all time.

However - I believe that Dragon Age 2 fails in all categories. That's up for debate certainly as it is an opinion.

Concerning "accessibility" yes - I believe that is catering to the lowest common denominator. The amount of people already interested in a genre is less than the rest of the population who isn't.  The rest of the population is the lowest common denominator.

If I wanted to open up a Chess club by starting with checkers - I would be alienating my original club members and I believe that's wrong.

Modifié par Medhia Nox, 20 mars 2011 - 09:53 .

[Meltemph]

AllThatJazz wrote...

Blastback wrote...

Meltemph wrote...

Its better they read nothing, twilight not only butchers vampires, but tries to show a borderline abusive (definately stalkerish) relationship as "loving".

As much as I hate Twilight... no, just no. We have enough of a issue with people not buying/reading books anymore. It's sad how little people read books anymore. People think now, that because they read blogs and opinion columns that they read enough.

How about we just recomend Harry Potter instead of Twilight and leave it at that.

Having read Harry Potter, and never having read 'Twilight' (for me, the vamp thing was over with Buffy), I agree just because I enjoyed a couple of those books. x

And Meltemph, I agree. Terribly sad. And such a waste of centuries of brilliant literature. x

Don't forget the new stuff!  The old stuff has gotten enough attention and those who are into reading already know what is what, the new stuff is what is getting ignored and its sad because there is a lot of good ones out there.  

[MonkeyLungs]

It was a clever ploy to derail the subject. I smell an undercover EAgent somewhere.

[Sandmanifest]

MonkeyLungs wrote...

It was a clever ploy to derail the subject. I smell an undercover EAgent somewhere.

LOL

[TwistedComplex]

Sandmanifest wrote...

Lol what happened here? OH GOD TWILIGHT DEBATE *runs*

EDIT:
"It's like using Twilight to get someone into literature. I suppose we
applaud that - so, sure, let Bioware run with it. I'll save some money." < Medhia Nox

Ah yes, true.

Welcome, you must be new here

[Ahglock]

slimgrin wrote...

Or read 'Let me In'. A real book.

How about people read what they like.
They are all "real" books. 

[Medhia Nox]

I HAD THOSE as a kid!! Those dinosaurs with the lasers! They were AWESOME! PEW PEW RAWR!

[RohanD]

He's an idiot. This interview just confirmed the reason why DA2 sucked. Laidlaw is that reason.

Here's an idea Mike, go look up what the word genre means in the dictionary. By it's very nature a genre includes some people (those who like it) and excludes others (those that don't). SURE sometimes you can overlap and fuse genres, but there is already a well established field for what you want to do, it's called the ACTION/RPG genre. If you want to make one, DO IT, but don't tell us it's an RPG but also an ACTION/RPG, you're just confusing people and creating false expectations, which will again result in the hatred being thrown at you from all corners of the Internet.

I am pretty sure that this is it for me with Bioware. I've just downloaded NWN2 from steam, put it on my killer rig all maxed out, and it's 100 times better than DA2 in terms of gameplay, art direction and immersion.

Unless Bioware gets rid of Laidlaw, there's no way they'll ever be able to make a game as good as even Origins again.

[AtreiyaN7]

Cobrawar wrote...

Mike laidlaw has no clue what he is talking about. You cant reinvent the wheel. you cannot force evolution ,evolution comes on its own thru time. Mike laidlaw is trying to create something that doesn't exist. rpg's aren't that hard to play. people pick them up in no time. The only audience I see him trying to appeal is to people who don't play rpg's

In an organic system, evolution happens over time due to environmental stresses/pressures and influences - like the speciation of Darwin's finches. In a construct created by a bunch of programmers, aka, a computer game made by humans, evolution doesn't happen without human intervention. You say you can't force evolution, but we've gone from, what, the first edition of D&D and its various incarnations, to assorted different editions of AD&D, and back to D&D (now apparently up to at least the fourth edition of the new core rules).

Are you trying to say that nothing's changed in Dungeons & Dragons? That it always stayed the same? That there was no evolution in the D&D rule system?  It was there, and it was forced by man. Evolution in games only occurs when someone has an innovative idea or vision that they want to implement to try to push a genre forward or to change something that's lacking.

BTW, what exactly gives anyone the right to try to lock a genre up in some ivory tower that only they have the key to or to make the determination that someone else isn't fit to enjoy the same genre? What gives anyone the right to insist that no changes can be made to any game genre without their official seal of approval that a game genre shouldn't be made accessible so that others can enjoy it? Pfft, why do I bother.

[Sandmanifest]

Welcome, you must be new here

To a degree. Makes so much more sense now thank you. It's nice to get some opinions though. Make sure I'm not the only one who feels this way lol. And I do care about what Bioware does, been a fan for a very long time now. I just don't want to lose them to these watered down RPG's. I believe you can go new places and improve without losing the quality and depth of a good RPG.

[Meltemph]

If I wanted to open up a Chess club by starting with checkers - I would be alienating my original club members and I believe that's wrong.

Ya, well if you were losing your club to all the other games out there, you might think twice. BG2 style RPG's don't don't sell like the sand box, action oriented Oblivions and its ilk,. RPG's right now need to have tons of loot, shiney graphics and lots of "Elite Orders" to join and conquer.

Story driven old school mechanic CRPG's have just not grown enough, apparently, for big budget companies to justify the expenses that come with what is expected in games, nowadays.

DAO is a perfect example. At least, half a decade making that game, and they cap out with around 3 mil units? Really? Imagine the costs that went into making a game for that long?

As much as I loved DAO, for the amount of time invested, with the amount of people playing games nowadays, the numbers just were not anything special at all. Specially when a 18-24 month dev cycle can at the very least double that.

So BW is doing what a lot of companies are doing right now, getting into the markets that are hot or more money for the same amount of work. And currently people are pushing the action rpg's for people's RPG stick. Hell, even the JRPG's are starting to gravitate a lot more to it and THAT is saying something, cause they almost never change formats.

Modifié par Meltemph, 20 mars 2011 - 10:09 .

[AllThatJazz]

Medhia Nox wrote...

I've read Harry Potter, and I believe that JK Rowlings will actually be applauded for her technical skills as well as her ability to write children's literature. I especially appreciate how from book 1 to 7 they become more serious, more mature, and more technically complex.

As for something that is 'beneath me' - it has nothing to do with technical complexity. I will defend against any member of Academia my opinion that Dr. Seuss was one of the greatest literary figures of all time.

However - I believe that Dragon Age 2 fails in all categories. That's up for debate certainly as it is an opinion.

Concerning "accessibility" yes - I believe that is catering to the lowest common denominator. The amount of people already interested in a genre is less than the rest of the population who isn't.  The rest of the population is the lowest common denominator.

If I wanted to open up a Chess club by starting with checkers - I would be alienating my original club members and I believe that's wrong.

I agree. And yet there are a great many people who would dismiss the Harry potter novels precisely for the reasons that many have given for dismissing Twilight (or indeed Dragon Age 2) - that they are intended for children, or for the stupid.  I admit I can't offer an educated opinion on Twilight because I have never read it/them and have no inclination to do so. Like yourself, it seems, I have a preference for the classics.

I'm not sure I get the checkers analogy. Checkers is what we British refer to as draughts, yes? And not in any way similar to chess aside from the appearance of the board? But if you opened up a Chess club and wanted to be welcoming to beginners as well as experts, would you start off with the basics of the game, or would you simply demand that everyone gets to grips with the King's Gambit?

[TwistedComplex]

RohanD wrote...

He's an idiot. This interview just confirmed the reason why DA2 sucked. Laidlaw is that reason.

Here's an idea Mike, go look up what the word genre means in the dictionary. By it's very nature a genre includes some people (those who like it) and excludes others (those that don't). SURE sometimes you can overlap and fuse genres, but there is already a well established field for what you want to do, it's called the ACTION/RPG genre. If you want to make one, DO IT, but don't tell us it's an RPG but also an ACTION/RPG, you're just confusing people and creating false expectations, which will again result in the hatred being thrown at you from all corners of the Internet.

I am pretty sure that this is it for me with Bioware. I've just downloaded NWN2 from steam, put it on my killer rig all maxed out, and it's 100 times better than DA2 in terms of gameplay, art direction and immersion.

Unless Bioware gets rid of Laidlaw, there's no way they'll ever be able to make a game as good as even Origins again.

ME2 was better than Origins

Just sayin'

Modifié par TwistedComplex, 20 mars 2011 - 10:04 .

[Meltemph]

TwistedComplex wrote...

Sandmanifest wrote...

Lol what happened here? OH GOD TWILIGHT DEBATE *runs*

EDIT:
"It's like using Twilight to get someone into literature. I suppose we
applaud that - so, sure, let Bioware run with it. I'll save some money." < Medhia Nox

Ah yes, true.

Welcome, you must be new here

That pic reminds me of a cartoon I watched when I was a kid.  I don't even remember the name of it and I didnt watch a lot of episodes about it, but I specifcally remember dino's with guns.

[Vandarr1]

RinpocheSchnozberry wrote...

Brenus wrote...

And Bioware would have had an even larger and devoted fanbase if they had kept making games as good as BG2.

Wrong.  Where are the games similar to BG2 today?  How many do you see out there?

If, as you claim, there is a huge market for those games, companies would be all over it.  Yet they are not.  Because games like BG2 were great for their time... but now, in the market today...  Baldur's Gate 2 would suck.

absolutely not.a remake of BG2 with a graphics overhaul would still sell well

[AllThatJazz]

Meltemph wrote...

AllThatJazz wrote...

Blastback wrote...

Meltemph wrote...

Its better they read nothing, twilight not only butchers vampires, but tries to show a borderline abusive (definately stalkerish) relationship as "loving".

As much as I hate Twilight... no, just no. We have enough of a issue with people not buying/reading books anymore. It's sad how little people read books anymore. People think now, that because they read blogs and opinion columns that they read enough.

How about we just recomend Harry Potter instead of Twilight and leave it at that.

Having read Harry Potter, and never having read 'Twilight' (for me, the vamp thing was over with Buffy), I agree just because I enjoyed a couple of those books. x

And Meltemph, I agree. Terribly sad. And such a waste of centuries of brilliant literature. x

Don't forget the new stuff!  The old stuff has gotten enough attention and those who are into reading already know what is what, the new stuff is what is getting ignored and its sad because there is a lot of good ones out there.  

I know. I meant centuries including ours! Sorry, should have been clearer. I'm a bookworm, and long may that continue x