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[cactusberry]

I really, really liked DA: 2. There's nothing you can say for BioWare to "disown" this game or something like that, you're only discouraging them from future DLC... Which I REALLY want.

[Il Divo]

I'll take Dragon Age 2's innovation over saving the world for the millionth time.

[Akka le Vil]

DA2 was disappointing, but the disappointment was about how arcade and linear the game felt, not particularly because the story itself was a shame.
As such, I agree Bioware should stop dumbing its game down and try to relink with actual RPG concepts, but I don't see the point of trying to retcon anything from the story;

[BeljoraDien]

The problem I have is, DA2 basically took all of the DA elements from the books and DA:O and marginalized them. From the very beginning you kill like 50 darkspawn (even after the 'exaggerated' story) with ninja-like speed. It makes you wonder where this super-hero family was when Ferelden needed them in DA:O.

Edit: There's also a complete disconnect between the combat scene and the non-combat scenes, as your super-hero Hawke just seems like a completely normal guy when running around town... It turns into a Popeye moment as soon as he sees an enemy however.

Reading the books, you get no impression of super-fast combat with 100's of enemies raining down on the heroes. I just cannot believe this is what Gaider had in mind when writing those books.

You run into so many Revenants, rage demons, desire demons, golems, dragons, and kill them with such lightning speed that you become numb to it. They appear with no plot elements, no mention of their rarity and no shock at their appearance. Exact same thing with blood magic...

Also, DA2 completely removed all mention of Shrieks and Genlocks. These are supposed to be the elf and dwarf darkspawn corruptions... Why have they disappeared? They're very important to the lore.

So, yeah... I honestly do wish they would pretend that the game was non-canon, or that Varric essentially exaggerated the entire thing, because otherwise each subsequent DA is going to have to match this idiocy or 'take it to the next level' for it to seem like you have a strong protagonist.

Modifié par BeljoraDien, 21 mars 2011 - 01:18 .

[Myusha]

Varric made it fanciful, because it was his story, he even exaggerates in game, about Hawke!
And truly I believe it's a smidge more believable that you kill things faster.

You're setting people ablaze, freezing, shocking, making them fall asleep in the midst of battle, swinging your blade on their heads...

[Harmless Crunch]

Sten:No

[PirateT138]

I've got no problems with the story, but the execution was lazy and I really, really dislike the new art and combat styles.

[Coldest]

Disagree.

The things that made DA2 a bad game - hack and slash combat, recycled maps, rushed production - has nothing to do with DA lore.

[TJSolo]

I would not have a problem with it.

[Hurrrr]

Ah I found the game dull and story uninteresting. The game dull because I played so many games that have identical combat mechanics it beggars belief, and the story, well thats more complicated.

I think its due to the general lack of scope. Its basically Grand Theft Auto. Sure you become "the champion" but I felt that was insignificant next to the role played in prior games (any of them). It felt like I was raiden instead of solid snake? That a good comparison?

Companions were well done, even if some annoyed the hell out of me, which hey probably qualifies as decent writing anyway.

It wasn't awful, just very forgettable.

[izmirtheastarach]

Bioware is going to take the story were the choose to, as is there inalienable right. DA2 is part of the canon of the DA universe, and nothing is going to change that.

The critical minority of the fanbase can moan and complain all it wants too, but at the end of the day, the game has already sold 2 million plus copies, and will probably sell a couple million more. Every customer that Bioware loses from the hardcore RPG folks will be replaced by one or two from the more casual action gamers. You can't please everyone, but you can please enough people to make a healthy profit.

The response to this game has soured me not on Bioware, but on the fan community itself. As a general rule, most of it makes me embarrassed to call myself a gamer.

[MColes]

Disagree, wholeheartedly.  Dragon Age isn't about the god damn Warden.  It's about the era of time called the Dragon Age in Thedas, a time of great change and upheaval in the world. 

[Chala]

What is done is done, you CAN'T change that.
Why don't you simple ignore this game and let it die of abandon? (like devil may cry 2, mortal kombat: earth's special forces, fallout: brotherhood of stell, etc)
Ps: That doesn't mean that I hate this game, I enjoyed a lot playing it.
Pss: If you think "Why this guy says that he played the game but he doesn't have it registered?" is because I play it on xbox and the Live services isn't avaiable in my country (Arg.) and believe me, is pain in the @ss

Modifié par El_Chala_Legalizado, 21 mars 2011 - 04:39 .

[PBerg]

Warheadz wrote...

Well.. My opinion is that DA 2 was the same to Dragon Age franchise as Fallout: BoS was to the Fallout franchise. A black sheep of the family that nobody wants to talk about.

This.

But we all know that slapping the name "Dragon Age" upon a sub-par adventure game made it sell better. So it´s an understandable decision from a commercial point of view.

[Ryllen Laerth Kriel]

I agree along the lines of what some others have already said. The story seemed interesting, but the game's mechanics from character creation to combat animation all are too rediculous for me to bother with.

[blahq34653]

I say no - lore wise it lived up to everything origins made good on and that would be the only reason to completely disown it (cough terminator 3).

[Cobra5]

I love the fact it tells a personal story, rather then an "epic" one.

[scq]

Yes. Totally agreed. Instead, DA2 should all be a dream of the same Grey Warden from Origins (he/she is brought back through a magical ritual if they died in the first game) before he/she must slay the new blight but with TWO archdemons this time. However, before our hero slays the two arch demons, he/she must enlist the help of some Dalish elves, some humans, and some dwarves again, but even before that, our Warden must embark on a journey to re-recruit Sten, Leliana, Zevran, Shale, Alistair (who will no doubt suspend his duties as king if you left him as ruler), your dog, and Wynne. Morrigan will also reappear to join your party.

DA2.5's going to be great!

[izmirtheastarach]

scq wrote...

Yes. Totally agreed. Instead, DA2 should all be a dream of the same Grey Warden from Origins (he/she is brought back through a magical ritual if they died in the first game) before he/she must slay the new blight but with TWO archdemons this time. However, before our hero slays the two arch demons, he/she must enlist the help of some Dalish elves, some humans, and some dwarves again, but even before that, our Warden must embark on a journey to re-recruit Sten, Leliana, Zevran, Shale, Alistair (who will no doubt suspend his duties as king if you left him as ruler), your dog, and Wynne. Morrigan will also reappear to join your party.

DA2.5's going to be great!

Boy, that sounds like a lot of work. Maybe we could all just go play Origins again? But, no, just like any sequal, when it comes onto the market the original bursts into flames, and becomes unusable to all.

[StowyMcStowstow]

I think this is going to be my shtick on the DA2 forums...

Somebody roll out the whaaambulance!

Because the idea of retconning the game is probably the most retarded idea anyones had since Hitler attacked Russia before the Western front had been secured.

[BiowarEA]

Yes please, preferably along with ME2.

[ashwind]

Disown a game to please fans that want games produced to be tailored to their preference - and probably will not make more money and capture new customers

-or-

Disown fans who demand games to be tailored to their preference and maybe make more money by appealing to new customers

I dunno, if I were running the company... I would probably choose option 2.

Modifié par ashwind, 21 mars 2011 - 06:03 .

[elimccl]

I was thinking about this yesterday. The novelist in me cringed in absolute derision over DA2' purported "plot." Whoever wrote it should be ashamed of themselves, for completely missing the basics of unity and driving progression and focusing too much on nuance and atmosphere. It doesn't help that essentially the entire game is told through optional subplots.

A very poor effort from Bioware, all around. I got the impression the concept was hastily thrown together and was never given time to develop, because EA wanted to push a product out the door.

Read this, developers: We are not stupid. We know what you are doing. We know what EA is like. Stop trying to emulate Twilight-models that produce more money than sensible artistry or respectable designs.

[ExiledMimic]

I shall raise a hand, a beer, and a severed leg to the idea.

[AtreiyaN7]

My vote is that this thread be retconned so that it never existed, but that could just be me. I'm much more interested in the future of Thedas after the events of DA2.