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[TremCenwyth]

On stereotypes, I usually find that the reverse is true. I pity the fool who would pass up on playing the Half-life series out of some prejudiced notion that FPS games are just mindless shooters by definition. Here's a game series that completely immerses you into its world with its design philosophy -- never pulling the player out of the game. You are an active participant as the storytelling unfolds. Being able to turn your head towards Alyx Vance as something terrible unfolds in front of your eyes, noting the expression on her face... it is an amazing feeling. In that moment, much like in any other moment throughout the games, you are Gordon Freeman. I would easily rank this game series up there with anything Bioware have done as some of the best video games to date.

I'm glad the OP liked DA:O as much as he did. Although given his praise of the Half-life series, I'm actually not as surprised by this outcome as he is.


Now buy the damn game. You don't pirate a Bioware game. This isn't Activision. Even pirates have an unspoken code of honor.

[BomimoDK]

Kalfear wrote...

I liked what the OP said and im glad there is FPS players out there with open enough minds to break their tradition. Sadly for every 1 of these there seems to be 1000 that just bad mouth RPGs on point with out ever trying it.

Cant say DAO brought me to tears, but it did get me doing that "sniffle sniffle" type thing a couple times. Its almost the perfect fantasy game, almost. Honestly im surprised the OP liked DAO as he admits he doesnt like RPGs that make him read and the amount of reading is the draw back in this game for even a grizzled vetran of RPGs like me. I honestly found the sheer amount of reading to be to much and ended up skipping a large portion of codex and quests write ups (still did the quests, just didnt read why).

Lastly, Im sorry but I cant forgive the OP for using illegal downloads! One of the reasons we pay so much for these blasted games is because of people like him that "Im only trying before buying". Thats what ads and preveiws are for, why should you be more special then the rest of us? OP is like that kid that admits he stole the car and wants a walk because he admitted it. Society doesnt work that way and I hope Bioware does give him the perm ban for his actions. Fan or not.

society is also a major dick at cutting some slack, sometimes it is better to cut a guy some slack than cutting him open at the town square. assess the situation thoroughly from a bioware viewpoint. or a any guy viewpoint before sledgehammering him.

[chasethesunset]

Honestly, I'm surprised at the response from people on these boards. Maybe I don't get out enough, but 90% of the gamers I've dealt with/met in the past haven't outright condoned illegal downloads.



In this day and age, telling someone who downloads anything illegally to go to hell or that they're a jerk is like telling the Maker that he's an ass for creating disease.

[Ranik15]

As much as I hate piracy, (I've purchased Supreme Commander and it's expansion, despite hating the whole SimEconomy with military minigame schtick) I do have to say that some games not having playable demos at all could contribute to that. Take a look at Spore as well, that thing was pirated before it was even released and there was no DRM on said pirated copies from what I read, meaning the DRM can slow pirates down, but not by very much.

[Spaghetti_Ninja]

ivanasw wrote...

And don't  say  "get a life". I have a girlfriend and job

That's... not what people usually refer to by ''a life''.

And yes, I am blaming you for pirating the game, you are an enemy of capitalism and the Western world in general.

[tkaz85]

Ads and previews exist to generate hype, not to give the viewer an accurate impression of what the game is going to be like. If DA had a demo I could see your point, but I don't think it did.

[imsayingit]

I've been a hardcore gamer for years (meaning i spend more time than most playing).

Playing many genres i never felt that FPS/RPG dichotomy. Good games is The genre. DA:O is a good game, so are HL, Starcraft and Street Fighter. Just to mention some clearly different ones

I totally understand OP tho, this game rocks and if you get involved it can get in touch with emotions in a particular way. Last hours of gameplay and cutscenes exalted my bravery to unseen limits! YARRR

[Gill Kaiser]

My god, you people can't hear a peep about piracy before getting on your high horses, can you? Get over yourself, the guy stated he bought the game, so everything else is irrelevant. In fact, Bioware has made more money because of piracy, in this case. I'll never understand why some people have such an unpragmatic view of illegal downloading.

[the_one_54321]

chasethesunset wrote...
In this day and age, telling someone who downloads anything illegally to go to hell or that they're a jerk is like telling the Maker that he's an ass for creating disease.

strictly speaking, it's their fault things like SecuROM exist. they are jerks for that. but the developers who respond with things like SecuROM are also jerks. pirating just creates a massive cycle of jerk. stop doing it. <_<

[the_one_54321]

Gill Kaiser wrote...
I'll never understand why some people have such an unpragmatic view of illegal downloading.

my view is incredibly pragmatic. your piracy hurts my gaming. the developers have turned into jerks as a result of fighting your theivery. stop doing it. i liked it better when they werent jerks.

[seb__]

the_one_54321 wrote...

Gill Kaiser wrote...
I'll never understand why some people have such an unpragmatic view of illegal downloading.

my view is incredibly pragmatic. your piracy hurts my gaming. the developers have turned into jerks as a result of fighting your theivery. stop doing it. i liked it better when they werent jerks.

Same old story.
I hurt the whole planet by driving to work in my car instead of a bus.
I make other people get cancer because of my smoking.
I kill innocent people by doing my military duty.
...and of course i totally ruin your game experience by downloading pacman.

edit: don't get me wrong, i understand your point. But not the people who download games are the reason for your problem. It's the developers/publishers own fault if they get stupid.

If you drink too much beer and you get stupid 'cause you don't have alcohol in your blood anymore, you have blood in your alcohol instead you just can't blame the beer fot that then.

Same old principle: Guns don't kill people. Bullets do.

Modifié par seb__, 17 novembre 2009 - 10:21 .

[tulx]

I really understand the OP. My story is very similar - I started by downloading Mass Effect from the local bittorrent and ended up having both Mass Effect and Dragon Age stitting in my Steam account. Mass Effect really blew my mind - I was sold as soon as the 1st dialogue started. Hadn't I pirated Mass Effect, I'd have never bought neither ME nor DA:O. This torrent thing is kind of a two sided coin.

PS - the fact, that the PC in ME was fully voiced and in DA not was a minor (and the only) setback for me. The rest  is just brilliant - the most complete fantasy RPG experience I had since Arcanum.

Modifié par tulx, 17 novembre 2009 - 10:30 .

[the_one_54321]

seb__ wrote...
edit: don't get me wrong, i understand your point. But not the people who download games are the reason for your problem. It's the developers/publishers own fault if they get stupid.

it's a clear line of blame here. the developers react because and only because people pirate the games. now i certainly think that the developers reacted badly and i think they made things worse for everyone instead of better, but the fact remains that it happened strictly because people started pirating games.

a more accurate analogy would be that you have a friend who was once happy to loan you money. then one day he lent money to someone they that person never paid him back. now he wont loan you money anymore unless you agree to pay heavy interest on it. true your friend is a jerk, but that other guy who never paid him back is the jerk who started it all.

simple fact of the matter: devs are becoming jerks with their games, but if you pirate games it's all your fault.

[Templ]

Bercilak de Hautdesert wrote...

Copying trademarked and copyrighted saleable material without permission, for free use, is also
called theft.  Just because it's not a tangible item doesn't mean you can't steal it.

From now on, OP, how about renting a game to see if it's worth buying?  That would be fair.

Regardless of what pirating is called, renting is no more "fair". The devs don't get your money either way. So, morally speaking, it is absolutley no better.

the_one_54321 wrote...

my view is incredibly pragmatic. your piracy hurts my gaming. the developers have turned into jerks as a result of fighting your theivery. stop doing it. i liked it better when they werent jerks.

No, they won't stop doing it. The sooner you accept this, the better.

Publishers are free to fight the pirates if they wish (though they end up hurting the costumers more at the end, and, as a result, loose money and fans), or they can accept it too, and instead try to persuade people into buying their stuff with quality. It works on me every time.

Also, I wish everyone realised once and for all that a pirated copy does not necessary mean a lost sale. In fact, it may mean exactly the opposite. There are people out there who would've never bought a certain game if they had no way to try it out for free first. So, in a sense, things are not as black and white as they may seem: pirating is not an alltogether bad thing.

Modifié par SpaceAlex, 17 novembre 2009 - 10:41 .

[the_one_54321]

SpaceAlex wrote...
No, they won't stop doing it. The sooner you accept this, the better.

Also, I wish everyone realised once and for all that a pirated copy does not necessary mean a lost sale. In fact, it may mean exactly the opposite. There are people out there who would've never bought a certain game if they had no way to try it out for free first. So, in a sense, things are not as black and white as they may seem: pirating is not an alltogether bad thing.

i know they're not going to stop, but that doesnt mean i cant get upset with them or that i cant call them the theives that they are.

also, it's not a direct lost sale, true. but it still counts in terms of the data collected for reference. it simply does not equate into specific lost revenue. the issue becomes a comparison between the number of people who are playing the game for free and the number of people who woudl have payed to play the game if they could not have played it for free.

if you are then going to compare the number of people who bought the game as a result of first playing for free to the number of people who would have bought the game but did not because they are playing for free i believe that the people who dont buy the game because they can play for free far outweighs those who buy the game because they played for free first. true, i dont have any data to support this claim, but niether does anyone else have data to support the contrary. this is just my thoughts based on what i have read in forums and seen on certain sites.

[Archfiend]

No, they won't stop doing it. The sooner you accept this, the better.

Publishers are free to fight the pirates if they wish (though they end up hurting the costumers more at the end, and, as a result, loose money and fans), or they can accept it too, and instead try to persuade people into buying their stuff with quality. It works on me every time.

Also, I wish everyone realised once and for all that a pirated copy does not necessary mean a lost sale. In fact, it may mean exactly the opposite. There are people out there who would've never bought a certain game if they had no way to try it out for free first. So, in a sense, things are not as black and white as they may seem: pirating is not an alltogether bad thing.

far and away the worst is when publishers punish paying customers in order to fight the pirates. who crack any sort of DRM within a few days and dont have to mess with the asinine hassles that people who payed for the game do. point of fact i had to have the no-cd crack sent to me by the drm company (securerom?) in order to play my purchased copy of jade empire(think it was jade, was awhile ago), instead i could have just pirated it for free and not had deal with the entire issue.

[Stanley Woo]

Yes, let's cut the talk of software piracy, please. That is not permitted here.

[Oulush]

Back in my country it would be impossible to buy games that were marked 40-50$. An average worker would make about 10$ a day, and so getting trough a month with 250-300$ didn't really gave us the option to buy the games so we had to find other ways to play the games we like. Besides it was hard to find them as well as retailers would not want to risk having those in their stores just that it would sit and rot there.



Anyhow, that has been 7 years ago, and since I moved to U.S. I am yet to download a game illegally. However I don't like buying games that cost a ton and lasts for 4-5 hours (aka Modern Warfare 2). That to me is just a scam.



I don't care about people DL'ing games. However when it comes to a game like DA:O out of respect people should buy it, because the time and effort it goes into it. Especially for PC gaming to survive in these tough times we need to encourage producers that PC gaming is still alive, with games like DA:O.



Just my 2 cents