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[Big I]

Hawke bored me. The Warden got stuff done. Even setting aside the Blight, the Warden found the Urn of Sacred Ashes, the Anvil of the Void, and picked the ruler of Fereldan. The only epic thing Hawke did was defeat the Qunari.

[Lord of Fangs]

arcsquad12 wrote...

I felt much more attachment to Bryce Cousland and his wife than I did for Carver at DA2's beginning.

I felt far more attachment to the Couslands than I did to the Hawkes too...but I still felt pretty stunned and awful after the events of the "All That Remains" questline. =/

Modifié par Lord of Fangs, 21 mars 2011 - 03:57 .

[Scott Sion]

LookingGlass93 wrote...

Hawke bored me. The Warden got stuff done. Even setting aside the Blight, the Warden found the Urn of Sacred Ashes, the Anvil of the Void, and picked the ruler of Fereldan. The only epic thing Hawke did was defeat the Qunari.

Eh i enjoyed offing merideth more, The first time i killed the arishok i used the running around in circles tactic.

[Urazz]

brushyourteeth wrote...

1.) the Warden had the most intensely, amazingly epic story EVER.  Anyone becoming more interesting is hard to believe.

2.) we've heard that Hawke is the most important historical figure in the world of Thedas.  So far, he/she's done a lot for Kirkwall and been part of a crazy rebellion, but not done anything that makes him/her more important than say Calenhad or Flemeth or Garahel.  We're still waiting to see that!

I dunno about that.  The mage rebellion will drastically change Thedas so I would say that Hawke's role in how it was started does make him one of the more important figures in Thedas.  At least in the more modern history of it right now.

[Heather Cline]

I liked my warden, I was kind of dissatisfied with how Witch Hunt ended the DA:O series for my warden but still I liked her. Yeah I'd like to play her again in a future installment but that isn't going to happen. We all know it, that's how it is going to be.

I like my fem-hawke both the mage and rogue versions of her. She's badass, she's sexy, she's smart, witty and just awesome. Do I want to see her in DA3? Yes. Would I want to play her again in DA3? Yes. Would I play her over my warden in DA3? I can't answer that question because both are equally dear to me.

Thing is the DA series isn't about just one character like ME is. This series is about individual Hero stories. DA:O was about the Warden/Warden Commander when you get to Awakenings. DA2 is Hawke's story. DA3 will probably be someone elses story. That is way the game is built.

I'm looking forward to seeing who the next hero is of the next story.

[forestmaiden86]

plnero wrote...

[first time i killed the arishok i used the running around in circles tactic.

I used that method, I was a mage for makers sake, what did they hope I would achieve, lol, I need my sheilds.

As for the topic its a matter of preference but there is no reason to wonder how can people be so attached to the warden, its like the other half saying how can people prefer Hawk. Or how can you dislike bacon (I get that all the time) its a useless question because its just opinions.

My opinion is I rather the warden but I was prepared to let the warden go in till the fateful words Hawk disappeared just like the warden.... she was queen I had my happy endings (which after first playing a Dalish elf who got dumped and the when she was prepared to give her life... Alistair budded in). I got cheated my happy ending, lol, so I need that resolved before I can let my warden go.... Hawke disappearing was a meh her life was horrible anyway I wouldnt blame her for disapppearing.

[Maria Caliban]

LookingGlass93 wrote...

Hawke bored me. The Warden got stuff done. Even setting aside the Blight, the Warden found the Urn of Sacred Ashes, the Anvil of the Void, and picked the ruler of Fereldan. The only epic thing Hawke did was defeat the Qunari.

Wrong. Hawke epically screwed Thedas.

[josiah8188]

Rose tinted glasses dipped in nostalgia.

[Redflametrow]

Just a thought, someone could write a relatively short "choose your own adventure" book to talk more about side characters. I'm up for a good book. I don't know where to get the current books though......Still it's an idea and a market.

[sammcl]

I felt a much greater attachment to Hawke than to the Warden. Voice acting has a lot to do with that, while the Warden did some cool stuff, characterisation just isn't the same without voice acting. Hawke's story was much more personal as well, the Warden dealt with serious "end of the world" stuff, acting out of necessity. Hawke's story felt like nobody else could have done it, there was no call to action, no threat of annihilation driving him/her, only Hawke's desire in the moment. There was no overarching goal, and I thought that was done really well, all this crazy **** happens just from Hawke being Hawke.

On the flip side I felt a greater attachment to Morrigan and Alistair than any of the DA2 companions. I think the people are right, Alistair's probably done, it doesn't feel like Morrigan's story is over though, especially with Flemeth's return. I was disappointed to see Flemeth didn't have a greater role in this game and that Morrigan was completely absent. I'm hopeful that the third installment will resolve the unanswered questions about those two.

[brushyourteeth]

Redflametrow wrote...

Just a thought, someone could write a relatively short "choose your own adventure" book to talk more about side characters. I'm up for a good book. I don't know where to get the current books though......Still it's an idea and a market.

The books are by David Gaider -- you can order them from amazon.com and they are DEFINITELY worth reading!

nothing about the Warden per se, but plenty of backstory on Maric, Loghain, Duncan, etc.  and lots of info you won't get from DA:O or DA:II.

[Malanek]

I thought collectively the companions in DA2 were much better and more interesting than DA. Things were pretty bleak though, not a story for the faint hearted.

[brushyourteeth]

plnero wrote...

brushyourteeth wrote...

1.) the Warden had the most intensely, amazingly epic story EVER.  Anyone becoming more interesting is hard to believe.

2.) we've heard that Hawke is the most important historical figure in the world of Thedas.  So far, he/she's done a lot for Kirkwall and been part of a crazy rebellion, but not done anything that makes him/her more important than say Calenhad or Flemeth or Garahel.  We're still waiting to see that!

 
I doubt you know a good character when you see one, who in gods name likes Ser Jory? Duncan should have stabed the puse sooner...

now that's exactly why I have the picture -- I like to think about suckerpunching him in his big yeller face every time I see it.

plus the default image options of female characters are FAIL.

[Vuokseniska]

i actually want more involvement of the dwarves. They are full of intrigue and they have an awesome history. too bad that you don't see anything of them except for the abandoned taigs

[PPR223]

Maria Caliban wrote...

LookingGlass93 wrote...

Hawke bored me. The Warden got stuff done. Even setting aside the Blight, the Warden found the Urn of Sacred Ashes, the Anvil of the Void, and picked the ruler of Fereldan. The only epic thing Hawke did was defeat the Qunari.

Wrong. Hawke epically screwed Thedas.

Well not really, he was more of a witness to the Mage and Templar tensions than the cause of it. He defeated the Qunari yes, but that is all he did.

[Deadlysyns]

Personally i disliked the Warden he had no feeling and no Voice Hawke is better he can actually have a Character

[Kylenne]

I seriously doubt the King of Ferelden has the time to come all the way to Kirkwall just because Meredith was pissed 3 apostates fled to Ferelden. I'm hardly unbiased as you see but it seems like they are setting up Leliana to play a significant role in the future so her cameos in DA2 were fine.

Alistair was not in Kirkwall to argue about three mages with Meredith. Ferelden is teetering on the brink of war with Orlais again, because there's factions there who want to take advantage of the country's weakness following the Blight. Alistair came to Kirkwall most likely for help, as it's Ferelden's closest neighbor, and because it was home to a very prominent Fereldan there with a lot of political clout. Obviously we didn't see exactly what Alistair and Meredith were arguing about but it was pretty obvious to me that Alistair probably asked for Kirkwall's assistance with Orlais, and Meredith used those mages as an excuse to blow him off (thus his crack about "that's your final answer?" when Hawke walks in). A destabilized Kirkwall is not going to be of any help to him, so he asked Hawke to do what she could to keep the city from falling apart. Alistair's not nearly as stupid as he puts on, and he recognized the threat Meredith posed, to the point where he clearly didn't even want to deal with her until he'd met with Hawke first. It's a subtle conversation with a lot of layers to it that are easily missed, especially if you don't peel back Alistair's snark.

That cameo, while it was indeed fanservicey, actually packed a lot of plot relevance and was much more plausible to me than Leliana's, which came almost entirely out of left field to me given the relationship my Warden had with her in Origins. It was yet another instance where I felt like the writers pissed on my Origins choices/ending in the first game because it didn't fit the railroading they had in mind in DA2.

[Big_Choppa]

Morrigan and Alistair's banter alone was better than all of the characters in DA2 put together.

[brushyourteeth]

Did anyone else notice (codex) that Divine Justinia is actually Mother Dorothea (from the Leliana's Song DLC) -- the Chantry mother who saved Leliana's butt from Marjolaine and brought her into the Chantry? It's no wonder Leliana's working as her right hand. I think future games taking place in Orlais make a lot of sense -- especially given all the Chantry interest in Hawke.

[brushyourteeth]

Ack -- also forgot to mention that Morrigan's supposedly in the court of Orlais. *dun dun dunnnn*

[Everwarden]

Lulia wrote...
I enjoyed origins immensely, but i just don't understand people wanting the warden back and Alistair and Morrigan and any of the other characters.

I love my Warden, but I don't want him back. I don't want Bioware to ruin him with a voice actor and a dialogue wheel. I never, ever want to see him again (except in Origins). 

[Davro]

Main point being, the biggest question still remains. How will Bioware shape up Dragon Age. I think every companion every character will make some big impact in some big way. In the end I think we will EVENTUALLY see Hawke, the grey warden and everyone else sometime. Just not now, they will probably introduce a few more protagonists. Then eventually everyone will be some sort of piece to the bulk of the puzzle in this epic story and then eventually we can put it together piece by piece

[Curlain]

One thing a number of people liked is that the Warden truly felt like their own character that they developed themselves rather then a pre-set character like Hawke which they merely influence. I know for others it's the opposite and they feel more connected to Hawke. But as one who felt very connected to the characters I developed as Wardens, I feel far more invested in them then I ever will to what is (for me) BioWare's character in Hawke.

Secondly, I think there is some value in continuing through a saga with one character and at least some of the same companion characters rather then continually restarting each new game in a series with a new PC and/or companion characters. Continuing with the same character and companions can allow you to really feel the growth and development of that character and their relationships with those they are closest to through a significant period of time, and offers a similar experience if done right to reading a good book saga and following the growth of characters you liked in that. One thing I liked about BG series is it offered you something of this very feeling.

Whether that is right for the DA series I don't know, I would like to play as my Warden again, but whether that would be possible, or even desirable by the writers I don't know, I personally assume it would be a new PC (I would definitely prefer a new PC over Hawke however)

Modifié par Curlain, 24 mars 2011 - 09:43 .

[steve3194]

I really think Dragon age 2s characters are being overshadowed by people being so fixated on origins characters.same could prob be said for the game in general

[OrlesianWardenCommander]

The warden is pretty old now as well, hawke grew up in the ashes of the blight and it makes sence for hawke too carry on the story. The warden started off a chain of events and changes throughout thuds he/she's the corner stone of everything that follows. Hawke should carry on the story there's only one Shepard now let's have there be only one hawke.