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[Bathead]

As a younger brother, I can totally relate to Carver. I'm not saying he's not an ass, but it is indeed not all that easy to live in an oder brother's shadow. That's why I find his character utterly realistic.

[tybert7]

Bathead wrote...

As a younger brother, I can totally relate to Carver. I'm not saying he's not an ass, but it is indeed not all that easy to live in an oder brother's shadow. That's why I find his character utterly realistic.

Well I grew up an only child.  You know all those times your brother got something you didn't?  Or you had to share things?

Yeah, that NEVER happened with me.  On Christmas day the entire living room was littered with toys, All MY toys.  Center of the universe = me, and if some lick spittle little nothing of a brother can't drop to his knees in respect, then he needs to go away.  

[Conquerthecity]

As a Templar, yes. As a Grey Warden I find him much more tolerable.

[Heather Cline]

I actually liked Carver's character. If you send him to the Grey Wardens you meet up with him towards the end of the game and he's grown up, stopped acting like a complete jerk. He finally admits that even though he's in his sisters shadow that he loves her and there is no other place he'd rather be than by her side.

Also, there are some great conversation options during his personal quest when you give him the letters your father sent that templar named Carver whom Carver is named after. You can call him a self centered brat and so on. It's just freaking awesome. You can actually humble him.

[Kattack]

I kind of liked being mean to him though.
I mean, Bethany seemed a bit bland to me, sure she was my sister and sweet and all but, eh, not too interesting. At least I could be rude to Carver and get interesting results.
I didn't like him, but I sure did like my interactions with him.

[forestmaiden86]

hehe Yeah he is a jerk and hates everyone including Hawk.... I think thats part of the reason I like him so much He was bad tempered, needlessly annoying and seemed to be trying to pick fights with everyone. But its was cute at the end when he teamed up with Hawk afer I made him a warden.

[StowyMcStowstow]

I dragged him to the deep roads. Anders wasn't there, so he promptly died. I felt bad, especially when I realized the Fenris, the only other Two-Hand Warrior, is a whiny tool, moreso than Carver. Had Anders been in the party, my first playthrough would've been a lot better.

[Abispa]

Carver is "normal," meaning he's probably spent his whole life covering for your sister (and, if you're a mage, for you, too). Carver was probably drilled on protecting his family's secrets at a early age, and realized that he would be forever separated from other "normals" because of his family. Even though HE wasn't a mage, he could still be punished because his father and sibling(s) were.

I've noticed similar personalities of siblings of advanced children as well as those of children with special needs. Children aren't stupid, they KNOW if sibling is getting either preferential treatment or is overly protected, and it only makes it worse when they realize that a parent's attention is a consolation prize to keep up their self esteem. Unfortunately, we never really see enough of the Hawke family to see if that is the case with them, but the personality fits.

[Link_vir]

Bathead wrote...

As a younger brother, I can totally relate to Carver. I'm not saying he's not an ass, but it is indeed not all that easy to live in an oder brother's shadow. That's why I find his character utterly realistic.

Agreed, next to Varric he was my favorite companion overall.  It was easy to relate to him since I knew where he was coming from.  Although my sister wasn't brutally smashed to death by an ogre :0

[Lord of Mu]

Bathead wrote...

As a younger brother, I can totally relate to Carver. I'm not saying he's not an ass, but it is indeed not all that easy to live in an oder brother's shadow. That's why I find his character utterly realistic.

I too am a younger brother and I can't relate at all to Carver. I'm more inclined to believe Carver is having a rebelious stage combined with a touch of "I'm not special" due to a lack of magical talent and pent up hatred because his family always has to make special considerations for Daddy, Big brother and his twin sister. (Running away from Templars is what all the popular kids are doing)

Carver can and has proven himself as a capable swordsmen yet he fails to realise his own abilities. The only time anyone is in someone else's shadow is when they believe they are. Thus you have an ass with a chip on his sholder the size of Fort Drakon.

[Jademoon121]

Carver: Self-imposed ******/attention ****.

Fenris: Mr. Broody McBrood.

The rest of the characters I like, love, or respect.

[Yuuno]

I like him from a story standpoint - he's an interesting character who creates tension - but from the standpoint of someone who interacted with him I just want him to crawl in a hole and never come out.

The only character I dislike from both perspectives is Merrill (EFFING MERRILL ) but she's not an ass as much as she's an obnoxious idiot and creepy nerdbait.

Modifié par Yuuno, 21 mars 2011 - 04:23 .

[grahsco1]

I loved Carver and that moment when Hawke is holding him up and preparing to hand him off the the Grey Wardens is one of my favorite moments in the game so far (I'm not finished yet).

My second favorite is the conversation you have with him when he blames you for Bethany and almost immediately knows he crossed a line. The animation and voice acting in that scene is top-notch.

[Zinou]

I love how Carver comes back as a Grey Warden to help his bro even if he hates him, epic character

[Icy Magebane]

To be fair, almost everybody you met was a jerk. Out of the companions, Anders, Merrill, Isabela, Fenris, and Sebastian are on equal footing of douchbaggery (is that a word?) with Carver.

Modifié par Icy Magebane, 21 mars 2011 - 04:25 .

[Maclimes]

Carver is an awesome character, in that he's a whiny jerk, but a realistically whiny jerk. Some people are just like that, and I think BioWare did a great job of writing the characters.

And I also agree: To get the most out of Carver, send him off with the Grey Wardens. It's a very satisfying conclusion to their relationship.

[Ahriman Dragonhand]

If this was a novel, or a movie I'd feel sympathy for Carver, being myself on the group that has older brothers/sisters, so I understand a bit of his attitude. I think he was pretty well written.

Otoh, playing as Hawke he was a real pain in the ass (felt sorry for my older and hope I never been as much of a jerk as Carver with them lol).

[TobiTobsen]

grahsco1 wrote...

My second favorite is the conversation you have with him when he blames you for Bethany and almost immediately knows he crossed a line. The animation and voice acting in that scene is top-notch.

QFT! The scene is amazing. He knew that my Hawke wanted to backhand him through the room and you actually could hear it in his voice.

One of the very few moments i actually liked Carver.

[tehprincessJ]

Maverick827 wrote...

The tension between Hawke and Carver is probably one of the best and most realistic things about DA2.

This. Bethany is boring. I loved Carver more for being a pain: it made him more believable as a brother. I tried pandering to his tastes, hoping to get him full friendship, but it's impossible. They made it impossible as a plot device, because he'd never join the templars otherwise. But my Carver always joins the Wardens. 

Love the line when you meet Fenris and he goes all snarky on my mage-y-ness, "If you have a problem with my sister, you have a problem with me." 

He's a jerk because he's worried about you.

[Lithuasil]

Again, I'd like to point in the general direction of my signature, for my in-depth take on the character - suffice to say, I like him, both as a person and a character - he's well written, and has pretty understandable reasons to do what he does.

[The Big Nothing]

Love Carver.

He became a templar to spite me, and then he backed me up in the end--badass.

[TexasToast712]

Sid66 wrote...

Is it me our is Carver the bigest jerk in da2.

I only have one mage and havent played it very often but from what I have seen he gets aggressive with me thinking he can kick my ass just because Iam a mage. I just want to set his hair on fire from what I have seen.

Modifié par TexasToast712, 21 mars 2011 - 04:55 .

[Noatz]

He's a proud guy, was a member of King Cailan's army etc. Wants to be his own person. Now hes constantly overshadowed by his brother/sister. So yes hes a dick, but you can understand why in a way, and he has some redeeming features (like when he stands up to Meredith in the end). A good character.

Renepiu wrote...

I hate fenris, he is an ass

Fenris has wonderfully sarcastic banter that made me like him.

[efrgfhnm_]

I thought he was an annoying little **** who wouldn't stop whining
But I loved talking with him and bringing him along, so I could tell him to shut the hell up whenever he said something and hearing my companions call him out on being a ****** and whatever
I guess he kinda has a point.....

[TexasToast712]

Noatz wrote...

He's a proud guy, was a member of King Cailan's army etc. Wants to be his own person. Now hes constantly overshadowed by his brother/sister. So yes hes a dick, but you can understand why in a way, and he has some redeeming features (like when he stands up to Meredith in the end). A good character.

Renepiu wrote...

I hate fenris, he is an ass

Fenris has wonderfully sarcastic banter that made me like him.

Yes, Fenris' banter with Varric is extremely funny and his banter with Sebastian is funny because Sebastian peels him back layer by layer like a onion. He pretty much gets Fenris to admit he believes in the Maker.