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[candidate88766]

Akizora wrote...

candidate88766 wrote...

Arokel wrote...

@candidate88766

I see what you mean. I have always considered Ovelord a bridge DLC because of the way the project might affect ME3 and the fact I played it post suicide mission.

I hope it does, I thought it had quite an interesting story. And it can sort of be considered a bridge in that it bridges the gap between the games timewise, but I don't think thats what Bioware meant.

It could yield technology to help the Quarians defeat the Geth in ME3 if you choose to side with them, just a "potential" weapon/addon to a quest. I doubt though that it will be crucial to have the DLC, it will likely just explain HOW you got your hands on it and not that you did.

I'm hoping for this, but even if it doens't happen I enjoyed playing Overlord.

[candidate88766]

Thompson family wrote...

candidate88766 wrote...

Not all dlc has to be story based. We got 2 new characters, 2 bridging dlcs, a standalone mission and a tonne of weapons and armour. I think that qualifies for 'plenty'. Admittedly 3 bridging dlcs would've been nice, but if arrival if of the same quality as LotSB then i'm more than happy.

Note how, on this thread and many others, the first response is the best one.

[Arokel]

candidate88766 wrote...

Thompson family wrote...

candidate88766 wrote...

Not all dlc has to be story based. We got 2 new characters, 2 bridging dlcs, a standalone mission and a tonne of weapons and armour. I think that qualifies for 'plenty'. Admittedly 3 bridging dlcs would've been nice, but if arrival if of the same quality as LotSB then i'm more than happy.

Note how, on this thread and many others, the first response is the best one.

So very true lol.

But let the debate continue!

[Chewin]

What's there to debate?

[D4rth Man7iz]

Everyone!!! remember ME3 has probably already entered the "heavy development" phase, so the Edmonton Studio cannot commit all of their resources/employees to make ME2 DLC.

With that in mind, ME3 should have about 8 months of development time before going into Gold Status. It may be hard to accept that Arrival is the Final piece of DLC, however as long as they put all their passion and energy into making ME3 Bioware's best game ever....then I'm more than willing to deal with it.

Modifié par D4rth Man7iz, 21 mars 2011 - 07:42 .

[Bailyn242]

I see the comment about Overlord being a potential "Bridge" dlc and I'd like to expand upon that. Each of the quest/story/team member DLC has potential elements that could influence ME3, lets take a look:

In Zheed's DLC we get the Blue Suns back story and are introduced to Vido Santiago. This could potentially lead to Shep and Zheed tracking him down and taking over the Blue Suns for use against the Reapers.

With Kasumi we get her black box and the potential time bomb of information that her boyfriend died for. I'd really like to know what is in it.

With Firewalker we get a Prothean artifact and a bunch of research data. I wonder if there is anything of use on all that boring run?

Now we get into the official "Story" DLC.

Overlord has some real traps built in. Can the Reapers take over Shepard via his implants like David Archer does? What impact does Cerberus' actions have on Shep's efforts to deal with / recruit the Geth and Quarians?

LotSB is obvious bridging content but how much more was hidden in those little nuggets on the terminals?

Now we get this last one. It is supposed to deal with Batarians, the Alliance and the coming of the Reapers. We may yet even get some kind of contact with the VS. I'm not expecting LotSB squad member type contact but some contact.

Does this mean we shouldn't have hoped for more? Meh, we can always hope but I feel like I just got 10ish hours of pleasure out of these additions already. Would I have loved more? Sure, but I ain't gonna complain too much, my only disappointment was that once I had all of the ones released so far I have always been max level before I hit the Omega Relay.

[Thompson family]

Bailyn242 wrote...

With Kasumi we get her black box and the potential time bomb of information that her boyfriend died for. I'd really like to know what is in it.

Well, since you did post this on the forum that allows spoilers (With my apologies if you've seen this already.)

There's an excellent thread that pretty conclusively shows there's a Reaper in the graybox memories It fits in with the knowledge that the Alliance "found" Sovereign first. According to one of the ME novels, Saren only took over after the Reaper indoctrinated the Alliance research crew.

Overlord has some real traps built in. Can the Reapers take over Shepard via his implants like David Archer does? What impact does Cerberus' actions have on Shep's efforts to deal with / recruit the Geth and Quarians?

I think Overloard is a way out for people who either gave Legion to Cerberus or got Tali exiled. The whole prospect of turning the victim of Overlord over to his brother to continue the torture and abuse is to find a way to get the Geth on Shep's side if he/she refused or is unable to cooperate with Legion.

[D4rth Man7iz]

Bailyn242 wrote...

I see the comment about Overlord being a potential "Bridge" dlc and I'd like to expand upon that. Each of the quest/story/team member DLC has potential elements that could influence ME3, lets take a look:

In Zheed's DLC we get the Blue Suns back story and are introduced to Vido Santiago. This could potentially lead to Shep and Zheed tracking him down and taking over the Blue Suns for use against the Reapers.

With Kasumi we get her black box and the potential time bomb of information that her boyfriend died for. I'd really like to know what is in it.

With Firewalker we get a Prothean artifact and a bunch of research data. I wonder if there is anything of use on all that boring run?

Now we get into the official "Story" DLC.

Overlord has some real traps built in. Can the Reapers take over Shepard via his implants like David Archer does? What impact does Cerberus' actions have on Shep's efforts to deal with / recruit the Geth and Quarians?

LotSB is obvious bridging content but how much more was hidden in those little nuggets on the terminals?

Now we get this last one. It is supposed to deal with Batarians, the Alliance and the coming of the Reapers. We may yet even get some kind of contact with the VS. I'm not expecting LotSB squad member type contact but some contact.

Does this mean we shouldn't have hoped for more? Meh, we can always hope but I feel like I just got 10ish hours of pleasure out of these additions already. Would I have loved more? Sure, but I ain't gonna complain too much, my only disappointment was that once I had all of the ones released so far I have always been max level before I hit the Omega Relay.

100& Agreed!

[UKStory135]

Thompson family wrote...

Bailyn242 wrote...

With Kasumi we get her black box and the potential time bomb of information that her boyfriend died for. I'd really like to know what is in it.

Well, since you did post this on the forum that allows spoilers (With my apologies if you've seen this already.)

There's an excellent thread that pretty conclusively shows there's a Reaper in the graybox memories It fits in with the knowledge that the Alliance "found" Sovereign first. According to one of the ME novels, Saren only took over after the Reaper indoctrinated the Alliance research crew.

Overlord has some real traps built in. Can the Reapers take over Shepard via his implants like David Archer does? What impact does Cerberus' actions have on Shep's efforts to deal with / recruit the Geth and Quarians?

I think Overloard is a way out for people who either gave Legion to Cerberus or got Tali exiled. The whole prospect of turning the victim of Overlord over to his brother to continue the torture and abuse is to find a way to get the Geth on Shep's side if he/she refused or is unable to cooperate with Legion.

I thought that Sovereign was discovered by Batarians and they only let the one Alliance guy research it because he was an AI expert.

[Thompson family]

UKStory135 wrote...

Thompson family wrote...

Bailyn242 wrote...

With Kasumi we get her black box and the potential time bomb of information that her boyfriend died for. I'd really like to know what is in it.

Well, since you did post this on the forum that allows spoilers (With my apologies if you've seen this already.)

There's an excellent thread that pretty conclusively shows there's a Reaper in the graybox memories It fits in with the knowledge that the Alliance "found" Sovereign first. According to one of the ME novels, Saren only took over after the Reaper indoctrinated the Alliance research crew.

I thought that Sovereign was discovered by Batarians and they only let the one Alliance guy research it because he was an AI expert.

I stand corrected. That's right.

[MajesticJazz]

Bailyn242 wrote...

I see the comment about Overlord being a potential "Bridge" dlc and I'd like to expand upon that. Each of the quest/story/team member DLC has potential elements that could influence ME3, lets take a look:

In Zheed's DLC we get the Blue Suns back story and are introduced to Vido Santiago. This could potentially lead to Shep and Zheed tracking him down and taking over the Blue Suns for use against the Reapers.

With Kasumi we get her black box and the potential time bomb of information that her boyfriend died for. I'd really like to know what is in it.

With Firewalker we get a Prothean artifact and a bunch of research data. I wonder if there is anything of use on all that boring run?

Now we get into the official "Story" DLC.

Overlord has some real traps built in. Can the Reapers take over Shepard via his implants like David Archer does? What impact does Cerberus' actions have on Shep's efforts to deal with / recruit the Geth and Quarians?

LotSB is obvious bridging content but how much more was hidden in those little nuggets on the terminals?

Now we get this last one. It is supposed to deal with Batarians, the Alliance and the coming of the Reapers. We may yet even get some kind of contact with the VS. I'm not expecting LotSB squad member type contact but some contact.

Does this mean we shouldn't have hoped for more? Meh, we can always hope but I feel like I just got 10ish hours of pleasure out of these additions already. Would I have loved more? Sure, but I ain't gonna complain too much, my only disappointment was that once I had all of the ones released so far I have always been max level before I hit the Omega Relay.

I think you're trying too hard to stand up for Bioware.

Again, Bioware officially stated that the gap bridging DLC BEGAN with Lair of the Shadow Broker. Not Overlord, to Zaeed, not Kasumi, not Project Firewalker....but Lair of the Shadow Broker.

Bioware has officially stated that the gap bridging DLC ENDS with Arrival, not some future weapons/armor/appearance packs, but with Arrival.

Bioware stated before, during and after the development/release of ME3 that there would be "several" gap bridging DLCs that lead into ME3.

LOTSB + Arrival = Couple/A Few/A Pair
LOTSB + Arrival != Several
LOTSB + Arival + At least 1 more gap bridging DLC = Several

[Bailyn242]

Majestic,

Perhaps I am, but I also have seen plenty of folks in here hunting for something to complain about. Whether someone misinterpreted something said (like the whole "I'm upset this isn't an expansion" crowd) or someone interpreted that LotSB was the first "bridging DLC" and they got the impression that Bridging would mean more than 2 DLC doesn't matter. We got 5 DLC for a game title just over a year old with the next version 8 months away.

I feel well served. I could see value in these complaints if we were looking at ME3 in summer or fall 2012. What we're getting instead is the next game in less than 8 months if the "Holiday" target holds up.

Modifié par Bailyn242, 21 mars 2011 - 09:45 .

[StarGateGod]

MajesticJazz wrote...

Bailyn242 wrote...

I see the comment about Overlord being a potential "Bridge" dlc and I'd like to expand upon that. Each of the quest/story/team member DLC has potential elements that could influence ME3, lets take a look:

In Zheed's DLC we get the Blue Suns back story and are introduced to Vido Santiago. This could potentially lead to Shep and Zheed tracking him down and taking over the Blue Suns for use against the Reapers.

With Kasumi we get her black box and the potential time bomb of information that her boyfriend died for. I'd really like to know what is in it.

With Firewalker we get a Prothean artifact and a bunch of research data. I wonder if there is anything of use on all that boring run?

Now we get into the official "Story" DLC.

Overlord has some real traps built in. Can the Reapers take over Shepard via his implants like David Archer does? What impact does Cerberus' actions have on Shep's efforts to deal with / recruit the Geth and Quarians?

LotSB is obvious bridging content but how much more was hidden in those little nuggets on the terminals?

Now we get this last one. It is supposed to deal with Batarians, the Alliance and the coming of the Reapers. We may yet even get some kind of contact with the VS. I'm not expecting LotSB squad member type contact but some contact.

Does this mean we shouldn't have hoped for more? Meh, we can always hope but I feel like I just got 10ish hours of pleasure out of these additions already. Would I have loved more? Sure, but I ain't gonna complain too much, my only disappointment was that once I had all of the ones released so far I have always been max level before I hit the Omega Relay.

I think you're trying too hard to stand up for Bioware.

Again, Bioware officially stated that the gap bridging DLC BEGAN with Lair of the Shadow Broker. Not Overlord, to Zaeed, not Kasumi, not Project Firewalker....but Lair of the Shadow Broker.

Bioware has officially stated that the gap bridging DLC ENDS with Arrival, not some future weapons/armor/appearance packs, but with Arrival.

Bioware stated before, during and after the development/release of ME3 that there would be "several" gap bridging DLCs that lead into ME3.

LOTSB + Arrival = Couple/A Few/A Pair
LOTSB + Arrival != Several
LOTSB + Arival + At least 1 more gap bridging DLC = Several

why doesnt kkasumi and hammerhead count as a DLC. thats 3 which is several

[Kingthlayer]

Playstation 3 happened. From the time LotSB came out to the time the PS3 version came out we didn't even get an appearance pack or weapons or anything. I feel if they didn't decide to make a PS3 port we would have got more DLC. But that's just my opinion.

[Thompson family]

I talk back to moaners a lot, but Majestic Jazz makes a fair point. While I'm more than satisfied with the DLC we've received, the initial announcements did imply a series.

However, if I recall correctly, BioWare said at some point that the Lair of the Shadow Broker DLC kept growing and growing and growing. I could be wrong on that, but don't think so.

Giving the choice of making a great DLC and letting it eat up development time and money or keeping a promise to release more "chapters," I think BioWare made the right choice.

Still, others may disagree or believe that more DLC of equal or superior quality was possible. I don't, but it's an honest disagreement.

[Thompson family]

StarGateGod wrote...

why doesnt kkasumi and hammerhead count as a DLC. thats 3 which is several

MajesticJazz' whole point is that arguing for those is a stretch. Kasumi doesn't really count as "bridging" DLC because she's clearly recruited for the Suicide Mission. Hammerhead doesn't count, IMHO, unless that Prothean relic is something more than a conversation piece.

[Thompson family]

Big Mac Heart Attack wrote...

Playstation 3 happened. From the time LotSB came out to the time the PS3 version came out we didn't even get an appearance pack or weapons or anything. I feel if they didn't decide to make a PS3 port we would have got more DLC. But that's just my opinion.

Interesting and likely.

Modifié par Thompson family, 21 mars 2011 - 10:03 .

[merrick97]

Nevermind.

Modifié par merrick97, 21 mars 2011 - 10:32 .

[merrick97]

Big Mac Heart Attack wrote...

Playstation 3 happened. From the time LotSB came out to the time the PS3 version came out we didn't even get an appearance pack or weapons or anything. I feel if they didn't decide to make a PS3 port we would have got more DLC. But that's just my opinion.

I know many people who wouldnt be enjoying ME2 if they hadnt decided to release ME2 on PS3.  A GREAT decision on Bioware's part.

[Thompson family]

merrick97 wrote...

Big Mac Heart Attack wrote...

Playstation 3 happened. From the time LotSB came out to the time the PS3 version came out we didn't even get an appearance pack or weapons or anything. I feel if they didn't decide to make a PS3 port we would have got more DLC. But that's just my opinion.

I know many people who wouldnt be enjoying ME2 if they hadnt decided to release ME2 on PS3.  A GREAT decision on Bioware's part.

I don't believe merrick97 was being critical of the decision. I know I wasn't. It's just a fact that ports take time and resources.

[MajesticJazz]

Thompson family wrote...

StarGateGod wrote...

why doesnt kkasumi and hammerhead count as a DLC. thats 3 which is several

MajesticJazz' whole point is that arguing for those is a stretch. Kasumi doesn't really count as "bridging" DLC because she's clearly recruited for the Suicide Mission. Hammerhead doesn't count, IMHO, unless that Prothean relic is something more than a conversation piece.

I know many people is probably thining "Why does he keep complaining? Can't he just be happy with Arrival and move on?" True, but I am not a passive consumer so that is why I voice my opinion. After all, it is my $$$ that they're seeking, so it is only fair that I gett o sprout out my concerns/disapointments. 

I do not count Zaeed and Kasumi as true DLC because in my honest opinion, they should have came with the packaged game as they were essential to the suicide mission. I loved Overlord, and to be honest, it was a great DLC, but it wasn't connecting ME2 to ME3. It was just another stand alone Cerberus mission. 

LOTSB was GREAT but it's true value is still to be determined. If the Intel Center is not really used in any way in ME3, then LOTSB would be useless. However if the Intel Center is a central part of the ME3 story, then it could be possibly better than Arrival and I have high hopes for Arrival. 

I don't mind having only 2 gap bridging DLCs, hell, I don't mind having just 1. My argument is that it was implied that there would be multiple DLC (3+) in the tone that Bioware kept talking. Don't imply one thing but actually do something else, which is what Bioware has done.

At this moment, I have not faith/truth in Bioware when it comes to DLC. Rockstar Games can come out right now and say "There will be strong DLC support for L.A. Noire" and I would take that at face value and not doubt Rockstar one bit because they have a great DLC track record with GTA4 and RDR. However if Bioware said right now "There will be strong DLC support for ME3", I wouldn't take it any of it serious as I would take a "I'll believe it when I see it" approach.

[Bailyn242]

Yet you have spent hours defending your stance / hammering Bioware for your perceived slight.

Not a passive consumer is someone who votes with their wallet and gets on with their life.... someone who spends hours complaining about their own misinterpretations is not a non-passive consumer... they are whining.

Trust me, I've done enough customer service to know this one. Yeah, in more expensive things the squeaky axle gets the grease but complaining about something that is less than $100 total is not going to change anything. We get that you are disappointed, I'm not... can we move on now?

Modifié par Bailyn242, 22 mars 2011 - 12:27 .

[Dean_the_Young]

Two subjective pieces of the phrase are 'plenty' and 'gap filling.'

What amounts to 'plenty'? Many games get far less DLC far less often. While the playable hours might not be as high as, say, some Fallout DLC, Mass Effect itself is a fast-paced game. Going longer than the DLC missions they did give gets pretty iffy pretty quick. Is three DLC plenty? A half dozen? What sort of composition of mission-to-cosmetic do they need to be?


The other is 'gap filling.' What gap are we referring to? Between the Suicide Mission and ME3? Well, that would be more accurately referred to as the bridging DLC, which wasn't quite what they promised. The real-world time-span between the release of ME2 and ME3? Well, they actually have done that: a DLC of some sort on average of about every three monthes, with other Mass Effect related material as well.



Ah, marketing weasel words. What would you do if you didn't not-promise us things we wanted you to promise us?

[Slayer299]

MajesticJazz wrote...

Dracotamer wrote...

I remember we were told that there would be plenty of DLC between ME2 and ME3 to fill in all the gabs and prepare us for ME3. So far we have gotten 1 DLC item related to ME3 and that is LOTSB. Now with the announcement of Arrival we are told this is the last DLC before ME3? I'm not feeling like we gained much more insight or recieved much DLC related to ME3 or the characters from ME1.

Remember when we were told that for ME1, we would have a continous stream of DLC that expands the universe and leads into ME2? What we really got was Bring Down the Sky and Pinnacle Station.

Remember when we were told that there was a years worth of DLC for Dragon Age: Origins but later found out that the DLC stopped with Witch Hunt?

So whats the moral of the story?

The moral is don't trust BW's "promises" about DLC

[Kingthlayer]

merrick97 wrote...

Big Mac Heart Attack wrote...

Playstation 3 happened. From the time LotSB came out to the time the PS3 version came out we didn't even get an appearance pack or weapons or anything. I feel if they didn't decide to make a PS3 port we would have got more DLC. But that's just my opinion.

I know many people who wouldnt be enjoying ME2 if they hadnt decided to release ME2 on PS3.  A GREAT decision on Bioware's part.

Catering to fanboys is never a good decision imo.(Anyone who only owns one system in this day and age is a fanboy)

BioWare was giving us a DLC every month prior to their announcement of ME2 going to PS3 then we went dry for 5 months until the AAP 2 last month.  It could be possible if they continued that this would still only be the second in the bridging DLC, but atleast we would have got more aaps!