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[FirstCitizen800]

DA2 Sold a Bigillion Copies, and Crushed your belief in old fashioned RPGs. Just saying....not that I have any proof one way or the other.

[BiowarEA]

Lukertin wrote...

most jrps are complete crap

Anachronox would beg to differ; it's one of the best RPGs I have ever played.

[The Brigand]

Lukertin wrote...
most jrps are complete crap

90% of everything is crap.

[Solid N7]

In dragon age origins and dragon age 2 the sales are better in the consoles than the pc, so where are the hardcore pc gamers?? Ohhhh I forgot that many pc gamers are pirates hahahaha

Modifié par Solid N7, 23 mars 2011 - 03:34 .

[3TH3RNAL]

Sales figures for DA2 are only for March 8. to 12. , ~700 000 ( on all platforms ) in 4 days ( if the numbers are true ) ... thats pretty good.
Its probably well over a million now. Also if u compare DA1 first week sales with these ( since they are first week sales ). DA2 sold better. 

Modifié par 3TH3RNAL, 23 mars 2011 - 02:17 .

[Delixe]

You can realistically increase the PC sales by at least 50% due to digital distribution like EA Store, Direct2Drive and Steam which brings the PC sales inline with the Xbox360 so the irony is more than a third of the people who bougth DA2 are those very same gamers who Bioware admit the game was not designed for. You know... the people who actually liked Origins.

[brownybrown]

I expect Da2 dlc sales to be pretty poor- unhappy pc rpg old skool bioware fans turning off the DA franchise plus the fact that DAO dlc was in relation to DAO pretty bad value for your money anyway.

[hazarkazra]

Delixe wrote...

You can realistically increase the PC sales by at least 50% due to digital distribution like EA Store, Direct2Drive and Steam which brings the PC sales inline with the Xbox360 so the irony is more than a third of the people who bougth DA2 are those very same gamers who Bioware admit the game was not designed for. You know... the people who actually liked Origins.

Why can you increase the numbers like that?
And are you saying that console players don't like Origins?

[Delixe]

hazarkazra wrote...

Why can you increase the numbers like that?
And are you saying that console players don't like Origins?

Because Downloads make up between 50 and 60% of the PC sales market so the actual figures will be double what retail is if not more. Steam/D2D/Impulse/GamersGate etc dont publish sales figures annoyingly but even EA have confirmed the 50-60% figure.

And no I am not implying console gamers didn't like Origins just that it was PC owners that were the most resistant to the changes made to DA2. Changes that were made to appeal to a more mainstream audience.

[Mooh Bear]

I don't have any numbers, but it doesn't look too good for DA2. The game is already $20 off at Amazon for all versions. It stands at #10 on Steam (no sale though, this might explain that) and there are less people playing DA2 than FNV only 2 weeks after release...

[Aldaris951]

Even if bioware made profit this time. It won't work again because people rushed to preorder because of origins. They won't get blind buys next time.

[HorrorScope]

Half full guy says. They have a bit better sales so far with DA2 and a lot less development time. That's winning.

Part 2's are interesting. There can be a lot of hype with the first, the seconds sales can definitely be dictated by how much the first lived up to the hype. Bioshock, it was hot hot hot because of the hopes of a System Shock type deliverable. Bio 2 to my knowledge didn't do as well. I always took that as many weren't that crazed about Bioshock, so sales of #2 was actually affected because how 1 was rec'd. So some that didn't care for DAO, they look away from DA2. I have a son that fits that bill.

[Otterwarden]

Maverick827 wrote...

StuartMarshall wrote...

I can't speak for anyone else, but I won't be pre-ordering DA3, I'll be waiting for user reviews.

Misinformation begets misinformation.

Don't agree at all with that point of view.  While championing everyone's right to form their own opinion, "word of mouth" remains a very valid way to assess a product.  And today, with demos and You Tube videos, there is ample opportunity to get a hands-on preview of what is really in that plastic box.  It doesn't take me long to read a few reviews on Amazon.com for me to figure out if the writer values the same things I do in gameplay.  There are some very detailed reviews.  The most helpful for me are those that make comparisons to games I've already played, like this small segment from a useful review that paints a very vivid picture in my mind: 

"Remember back to when you played Mass Effect 1 and how sick you were of  the reused cave/bunker map for it's side quests. Now imagine if the game was gutted of it's major quest hubs and you were forced to stay on the  Citadel the entire game, complete with loading screens for the different districts instead of elevators, and fast traveled to those caves and bunkers for every single side quest. You now have a pretty good idea of  what DA2 is like."

Anyway, agree with the earlier poster who brought up the point that DA:O initial sales were boosted by the Xmas season, so interpreting these figures is hard.  It will take a while before any conclusions can be drawn.  Thanks for the info though.

Modifié par Otterwarden, 23 mars 2011 - 11:02 .

[3TH3RNAL]

Can't understand why are some people hating on Dragon Age 2... Aside from having no idea what they're talking about.
DA2 has much better graphics, animations, combat and overall gameplay. Story is different ( and it should be ), more personal, with lots of choices. The game feels fresh, and NOT just a rehash of the first one. It also looks like a game from 2011. DA1 was at least 3 years too late with its engine.
The only downside are repetitive dungeons. But with such short development time and engine being upgraded, I was surprised the game turned out this good.
Now when they have a great graphics and gameplay engine, I just hope they have time to make DA3 a much bigger game.

[Arawn-Loki]

3TH3RNAL wrote...

Can't understand why are some people hating on Dragon Age 2... Aside from having no idea what they're talking about.
DA2 has much better graphics, animations, combat and overall gameplay. Story is different ( and it should be ), more personal, with lots of choices. The game feels fresh, and NOT just a rehash of the first one. It also looks like a game from 2011. DA1 was at least 3 years too late with its engine.
The only downside are repetitive dungeons. But with such short development time and engine being upgraded, I was surprised the game turned out this good.
Now when they have a great graphics and gameplay engine, I just hope they have time to make DA3 a much bigger game.

People want Fallout 3 options and exploration with Bioware story and cinematics. 

Modifié par Arawn-Loki, 24 mars 2011 - 03:54 .

[Buffy-Summers]

They dont care about the stagnation and death of the RPG

They just want more money

You dont save something by turning it something else


Did you save an old house by turning it into a modern apartment building?

No, its nothing the same.

The old home might be old but at least its the same thing

[rpx78noob]

I see Dragon Age 2 ads every where. Literally. Even in my own forgotten country pc gaming sites have it. It's amazing. It's awesome...

[3TH3RNAL]

Arawn-Loki wrote...


People want Fallout 3 options and exploration with Bioware story and cinematics. 

Well then they really have no perception.

[3TH3RNAL]

Buffy-Summers wrote...

They dont care about the stagnation and death of the RPG

They just want more money

You dont save something by turning it something else


Did you save an old house by turning it into a modern apartment building?

No, its nothing the same.

The old home might be old but at least its the same thing

Why would anyone want the same thing ( at least in this case ) ? There was a big room for improvement, and devs did just that. I expected no where near this big of an improvement to the game engine ( both graphics and gameplay ). They could have stuck with the old engine, and made the game 100+ hours long. With who knows how much content. But its not always about quantity. I enjoyed every second of Dragon Age 2, not only because of its good story, but also amazing DX11 visuals, which made the game world feel much more believable and enjoyable. Because of ( finally ) well animated and much more responsive combat.
Walking around the game world and engaging in combat makes 70+% of the game. Making that part of the game as enjoyable as the story - cutscene moments, is a big and very important step. 

Modifié par 3TH3RNAL, 24 mars 2011 - 05:31 .

[Wolfva2]

When comparing the sales figures, don't forget to compare other factors. Such as, DA-O came out during the holidays, DA-2 in early spring. DA-O came out while the economy was doing ok., DA-2 comes out with unemployment near 10%, increasing fuel prices due to the 3rd ongoing US war (Libya), and the resulting rise in prices for goods across the board. I'd hazard a guess fewer people are playing games right now in lieu of putting dinner on the table.

[TJSolo]

The Brigand wrote...

Lukertin wrote...
most jrps are complete crap

90% of everything is crap.

Thank you.

[Naliamegod]

KLUME777 wrote...
And DAO had none either, so they just hate WRPG's, a shame.

It isn't that they "hate" WRPGs, but there is no market for them in Japan as the gaming culture is different.  Arcade and handheld games are king, while PC scene is completely different and consoles are dying out.

Even if there was a market, localization of international games in Japan is almost non-existent so many of the "Japanese" ports (if they exist) of the game are in English with Japanese subtitles for cutscenes.  From what I have seen on the internet and in Korean stores (which is similar to Japan), the Dragon Age series in Asia is 100% English.

[mdugger12]

Wow interesting thread. Considering in this genre, fans usually scream the loudest about sales not defining the quality of a game. But to stay on subject, it isn't as simple as comparing sales from holiday 2009 to spring 2011. There are too many variables. But just for arguments sake, if you did want to use raw numbers to make a point and only consider the overall decline in video game sales and the difference a holiday release does against a comparable spring release, even up to around 9.6% FEWER sales in total units sold would be a strong showing. And since we aren't talking about any sort of drop off like that between DA:O and DA II and since we're simplifying I guess my interpretation would have to be DA II is the better game and the fans are showing their support regardless of what a fringe minority says.

[arathor_87]

Wolfva2 wrote...

When comparing the sales figures, don't forget to compare other factors. Such as, DA-O came out during the holidays, DA2 in early spring. DA-O came out while the economy was doing ok., DA-2 comes out with unemployment near 10%, increasing fuel prices due to the 3rd ongoing US war (Libya), and the resulting rise in prices for goods across the board. I'd hazard a guess fewer people are playing games right now in lieu of putting dinner on the table.

And if I put it like this. DA2 can thank DA:O for 400 000 pre orders. Many people regret buying DA2 and I think the sale numbers will show this later.

Since DA:O was a huge success and got so many awards the second game get so much for free, the pre orders and the hype. But with all the bad reviews I think the sale numbers will decrease, which I suppose they already have since many stores put the game out for sale only after 2 weeks.

And I think this trend will continue. If there is a DA3, I think the pre orders will be much lower than it was for DA2, since this game was not as popular as the first one.

And the world economy was bad in 2009, get the facts right. Now its 2011 and the economy is much better now than it was in the first half of 2010, and have recovered from the worst deflation and cutbacks.

Modifié par arathor_87, 24 mars 2011 - 09:28 .

[mdugger12]

The economy was bad in 2009. But sales still dropped off in 2010 and they are forecasting another 5-10% decline this year. Us recovering isn't the only factor in video game sales. You do bring up a good point with the pre orders, I just don't think the "outrage" and disappointment over this game is as widespread as people think. The numbers so far show that the game is selling so I guess time will tell.