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[ReallyRue]

It counterbalances Anders' hate of all things Templar/Chantry. You can't really change his opinion either, although if you have a friendship with Fenris as a mage, he does concede that Hawke is the one decent mage he's met.

[PantheraOnca]

Plaintiff wrote...

My main problem with Fenris is that he never wears shoes. Gross.

Neither does Merrill, do elves just not like shoes?

I haven't really LOOKED at alienage elves, but are they wearing shoes? What about those elves in Hightown doing things for their masters (is master the right word for someone who employs a servant?). The elves in the Blooming Rose?

Is there an Elvhen anti-footwear conspiracy going on that dates back to before the fall (or founding?!?!?!>?!) of Arlathan?

[Wulfram]

Zevran still wears shoes, at least.

[PsychoBlonde]

I never had problems with Fenris giving me crap over sparing mages, because if you MAX OUT his friendship (or rivalry) you STOP GETTING POINTS.  I think this is an awesome mechanic.  I maxed out his friendship quite early on in the game and he never gave me crap thereafter.  He might disagree verbally with something I did, but it didn't actually change his opinion of Hawke any.

[The Angry One]

Fenris has no shoes, Fenris needs no shoes!
Walking barefoot on broken glass builds character.

[Addai]

Anariel Theirin wrote...
Fair points.  But even after his memories emerge a bit, and he confronts his sister, and he learns something about his past, he's still all about hate.  That's the part that bothers me.  I definitely am not expecting some dramatic scene of him seeing the error of his ways and going around hugging mages.  But say, for example, if you didn't have to convince him not to kill his sister...say he made that decision on his own?  Something like that, I think, would show a bit of self-doubt in his hatred that would really show growth on his part in a non-cheesy way.  I was bothered by the fact that even after he learns about his true past from his sister, he doesn't say much about it.  I was just expecting *more* from that quest, and felt that there was lost opportunity there.

Realistically, it's a bit disappointing that the only thing to make him *not* kill his sister is if Hawke intervenes.  To me, that felt very much like Hawke-worship from him.  But this is just my opinion.  I can see where you're coming from, I just didn't feel that way on my playthrough.  

I would certainly have liked more, on all fronts.  He does still carry the hatred with him, but he recognizes it and is fighting against it, and trying to figure out how not to be that way.  The problem with him doing a 180 or even a hard turn is that everything in the game plot reinforces his outlook.

He would have killed Varania without Hawke intervening, but I don't see that as Hawke worship.  He lets a trusted ally talk him down from acting in the heat of the moment.  Other characters do the same, and I will let NPCs talk my character into/ out of doing things sometimes, too.  It's not like he turns around and invites Varania over for dinner.

[Herr Uhl]

Addai67 wrote...

I would certainly have liked more, on all fronts.  He does still carry the hatred with him, but he recognizes it and is fighting against it, and trying to figure out how not to be that way.  The problem with him doing a 180 or even a hard turn is that everything in the game plot reinforces his outlook.

He would have killed Varania without Hawke intervening, but I don't see that as Hawke worship.  He lets a trusted ally talk him down from acting in the heat of the moment.  Other characters do the same, and I will let NPCs talk my character into/ out of doing things sometimes, too.  It's not like he turns around and invites Varania over for dinner.

Where is the PC worship in the game then? I could see that Anders fighting mages could be seen as such, as well as Leliana turning back on the ashes if hardened and intimiadated but where else? If the Varania situation is not considered that, I mean.

[Arppis]

Lithuasil wrote...

Note that rivalry isn't equal to "doesn't like you". Having the slider in the middle, where the character doesn't care about you, is bad, having it on either extreme means the character respects you, just either in an more agreeing or more disagreeing manner.

Just like our relationship, Lith... Just like our relationship.

[PantheraOnca]

The Angry One wrote...

Fenris has no shoes, Fenris needs no shoes!
Walking barefoot on broken glass builds character.

OR ARE THE SOLES OF HIS FEET COVERED IN LYRIUM!


MAGIC HAS STAINED HIS VERY SOLEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11!!!!

[TobiTobsen]

Wulfram wrote...

Zevran still wears shoes, at least.

He does? I have to pay more attention next time I see him. But... well... it's good to see that he still has his fetish for antivian/dalish leather

[Arppis]

The Angry One wrote...

Fenris has no shoes, Fenris needs no shoes!
Walking barefoot on broken glass builds character.

Just like Isabella doesn't have pants. She doesn't need no pants! Walking without pants in the cold mountain breeze builds character! 

[Addai]

Herr Uhl wrote...
Where is the PC worship in the game then? I could see that Anders fighting mages could be seen as such, as well as Leliana turning back on the ashes if hardened and intimiadated but where else? If the Varania situation is not considered that, I mean.

It's not as evident in DA2 as in Origins because there is no Persuade/ Intimidate mechanic, and thank the Maker no hardening mechanic, either.  Although Merrill and Anders have notes of PC worship, especially in their romances.  I twitch at stuff like that.  Just saying I like it if an NPC is not too moldable.  If Fenris had ended the game saying "maybe mages aren't that bad after all," my cheese meter would have been going off.

[Anariel Theirin]

Addai67 wrote...

Anariel Theirin wrote...
Fair points.  But even after his memories emerge a bit, and he confronts his sister, and he learns something about his past, he's still all about hate.  That's the part that bothers me.  I definitely am not expecting some dramatic scene of him seeing the error of his ways and going around hugging mages.  But say, for example, if you didn't have to convince him not to kill his sister...say he made that decision on his own?  Something like that, I think, would show a bit of self-doubt in his hatred that would really show growth on his part in a non-cheesy way.  I was bothered by the fact that even after he learns about his true past from his sister, he doesn't say much about it.  I was just expecting *more* from that quest, and felt that there was lost opportunity there.

Realistically, it's a bit disappointing that the only thing to make him *not* kill his sister is if Hawke intervenes.  To me, that felt very much like Hawke-worship from him.  But this is just my opinion.  I can see where you're coming from, I just didn't feel that way on my playthrough.  

I would certainly have liked more, on all fronts.  He does still carry the hatred with him, but he recognizes it and is fighting against it, and trying to figure out how not to be that way.  The problem with him doing a 180 or even a hard turn is that everything in the game plot reinforces his outlook.

He would have killed Varania without Hawke intervening, but I don't see that as Hawke worship.  He lets a trusted ally talk him down from acting in the heat of the moment.  Other characters do the same, and I will let NPCs talk my character into/ out of doing things sometimes, too.  It's not like he turns around and invites Varania over for dinner.

You make good points.  Maybe my issue really is more with the fact that I wanted more, and felt that I needed more in order to absorb the character development.  As it stands, it didn't feel like enough for me.  I'm on my second playthrough right now, and am rivalmancing Fenris, and am just getting to Act III, so I may have some differering opinions on this by the end.  (First time I friendship romanced him to Act II, and then switched to Anders when Fen sorta-dumped Hawke after sexytimes.  Didn't realize until too late that I couldn't just break up with crazy-mage.   )

[Addai]

I definitely wanted more, too. That would always be the case I guess, but it felt like we got a lot less time with the companions in this game, and that did cause certain things to be either rushed or truncated.

[Anariel Theirin]

PantheraOnca wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Fenris has no shoes, Fenris needs no shoes!
Walking barefoot on broken glass builds character.

OR ARE THE SOLES OF HIS FEET COVERED IN LYRIUM!


MAGIC HAS STAINED HIS VERY SOLEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11!!!!

You win.  This made me laugh so hard.  

[Anariel Theirin]

Addai67 wrote...

I definitely wanted more, too. That would always be the case I guess, but it felt like we got a lot less time with the companions in this game, and that did cause certain things to be either rushed or truncated.

I couldn't agree more.   The dialogue was great, the characters were interesting, but there was so much potential there for *so much more*.  Considering the deep affection and attachment I felt to nearly everyone in Origins, this felt l like such a disappointment.

[TobiTobsen]

Arppis wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Fenris has no shoes, Fenris needs no shoes!
Walking barefoot on broken glass builds character.

Just like Isabella doesn't have pants. She doesn't need no pants! Walking without pants in the cold mountain breeze builds character! 

Pff... using the Pants Mod for Isabela was the first thing I did after my first playthrough. Only Hake shall be allowed to see her thong from now on.

[The Angry One]

Now we just need a mod to make her breasts not look like two stiff lumps of plastic.
Seriously Hawke's have some life to them (I studied this for science) and the time you spend naked is about 0.1% of the game unless you're some sort of weirdo.

[Hrodric]

Arppis wrote...

Lithuasil wrote...

Note that rivalry isn't equal to "doesn't like you". Having the slider in the middle, where the character doesn't care about you, is bad, having it on either extreme means the character respects you, just either in an more agreeing or more disagreeing manner.

Just like our relationship, Lith... Just like our relationship.

Lithuasil, which one provides the most sexy time: (a) friendshipmance? ( rivalmance?

It's purely a scientific survey... no reason at all.

[Cutlass Jack]

It didn't bother me that Merril & Fenris wore no shoes. It bothered me they always complain that they should have worn shoes and spend most of their idle animations looking like they stepped in mabari droppings.

Sure Isabela doesn't wear pants. But does so proudly, without complaint. Like Morrigan and Bras.

Modifié par Cutlass Jack, 08 avril 2011 - 07:04 .

[Arppis]

The Angry One wrote...

Now we just need a mod to make her breasts not look like two stiff lumps of plastic.
Seriously Hawke's have some life to them (I studied this for science) and the time you spend naked is about 0.1% of the game unless you're some sort of weirdo.

I spent 0% of my time naked. Saw a pic in forums what naked person looks like in DA2. Was enough.

As long as the breasts stay as large, it's all good.

[The Angry One]

Arppis wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Now we just need a mod to make her breasts not look like two stiff lumps of plastic.
Seriously Hawke's have some life to them (I studied this for science) and the time you spend naked is about 0.1% of the game unless you're some sort of weirdo.

I spent 0% of my time naked. Saw a pic in forums what naked person looks like in DA2. Was enough.

As long as the breasts stay as large, it's all good.

Yes well the naked men in this game are something else.
I spent half the time during Keran's scene laughing at the deformed inverted triangular shape and irregularly placed nipples.
And what's with the pants? Pfht.

[Arppis]

The Angry One wrote...

Arppis wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Now we just need a mod to make her breasts not look like two stiff lumps of plastic.
Seriously Hawke's have some life to them (I studied this for science) and the time you spend naked is about 0.1% of the game unless you're some sort of weirdo.

I spent 0% of my time naked. Saw a pic in forums what naked person looks like in DA2. Was enough.

As long as the breasts stay as large, it's all good.

Yes well the naked men in this game are something else.
I spent half the time during Keran's scene laughing at the deformed inverted triangular shape and irregularly placed nipples.
And what's with the pants? Pfht.

Hey! I wear pants like that in the winter! They are warm!

[Hrodric]

The Angry One wrote...

Arppis wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Now we just need a mod to make her breasts not look like two stiff lumps of plastic.
Seriously Hawke's have some life to them (I studied this for science) and the time you spend naked is about 0.1% of the game unless you're some sort of weirdo.

I spent 0% of my time naked. Saw a pic in forums what naked person looks like in DA2. Was enough.

As long as the breasts stay as large, it's all good.

Yes well the naked men in this game are something else.
I spent half the time during Keran's scene laughing at the deformed inverted triangular shape and irregularly placed nipples.
And what's with the pants? Pfht.

TAO, looking at men's nipples like that will TURN YOU GAY. Look at what happend to Wulfsturm... don't let this cautionary tale go to waste.

NO!... they got me too... save... yourself. R..rr..run, TAO... run away....

[Arppis]

Hrodric wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Arppis wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Now we just need a mod to make her breasts not look like two stiff lumps of plastic.
Seriously Hawke's have some life to them (I studied this for science) and the time you spend naked is about 0.1% of the game unless you're some sort of weirdo.

I spent 0% of my time naked. Saw a pic in forums what naked person looks like in DA2. Was enough.

As long as the breasts stay as large, it's all good.

Yes well the naked men in this game are something else.
I spent half the time during Keran's scene laughing at the deformed inverted triangular shape and irregularly placed nipples.
And what's with the pants? Pfht.

TAO, looking at men's nipples like that will TURN YOU GAY. Look at what happend to Wulfsturm... don't let this cautionary tale go to waste.

NO!... they got me too... save... yourself. R..rr..run, TAO... run away....

Stay strong, bro! Stay strong!