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[Alex Kershaw]

Persephone wrote...

CRISIS1717 wrote...

DarthBakura wrote...

CRISIS1717 wrote...

Such a shame, if this had been a proper sequel to DAO it would have been in the 90s maybe even beaten its predecessors' score.

You can't say that for certain. There have been game franchises that literally do very little to change the format in a sequential title and then the game gets panned, by at least a portion of the critics. It happens from time to time. This could have easily been the case with a "Dragon Age: Origins II." I think a lot of the criticisms of the first game were simply overlooked, or forgotten, because of the lore and the character depth. Rarely does that happen twice, however.

How is that not a certainty? it's all people wanted and expected, fans and critics alike, people wanted Origins 2 maybe with some cool new additions but the Origins formula was the core of the Dragon Age experience that people liked. 

Look at these scores dropping for DA2, do you honestly think a 3 year Origins 2 project crafted by Bioware would get less than a 90? maybe by some no name game critic website it will get a 60 saying oh its the same but it would receive critical acclaim and possibly be a goty nominee, DA2 on the other hand is not in the class of a goty game. 

Didn't work with Awakening though. Or, if you want to go back to the classics, check how using the same formula in three games of a series ruined the Might and Magic series. (M&M 10 being the worst RPG I have ever played)

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But the gameplay of Awakenings wasn't criticised! If you read the negative reviews of Awakenings, it had nothing to do with it being too similar to Origins. In fact - it was the opposite! The idea was that the story wasn't strong enough, the companions not strng enough, etc. The fact that it got an actually OK metacritic score was because the gameplay was at least up to Origins's standards, desptie the rest of the game being mediocre.

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Akka le Vil wrote...

Seing Neverwinter Night with such a high score make me cry all over.
DA2 was disappointing and had lots of flaws, but it's still ten times better than the huge pile of crap that the official campaign of NWN was.

Blah... NWN let you go and download an almost unlimited number of new campaigns, and you could also play it online in lots of different ways. The OC might have been a bit lame, but surely all that other stuff makes up for it?

Modifié par fsfsfsfsfsfsf, 26 mars 2011 - 01:27 .

[Akka le Vil]

fsfsfsfsfsfsf wrote...

Blah... NWN let you go and download an almost unlimited number of new campaigns, and you could also play it online in lots of different ways. The OC might have been a bit lame, but surely all that other stuff makes up for it?

Sure, but at the time it was released, it was the OC and the toolset.
I agree that the toolset made it worth it in time, but when you just bought the game, all you had to play was the OC. This alone should have brang the scores to new low.

By the way, DA2 has been PANNED by the main French gaming paper review (Canard PC), with a 4/10. European reviews has been much more strict than US ones it seems.

[Alex Kershaw]

Still 79/82/82

[Finnigan McBonk]

Alex Kershaw wrote...

Persephone wrote...

CRISIS1717 wrote...

DarthBakura wrote...

CRISIS1717 wrote...

Such a shame, if this had been a proper sequel to DAO it would have been in the 90s maybe even beaten its predecessors' score.

You can't say that for certain. There have been game franchises that literally do very little to change the format in a sequential title and then the game gets panned, by at least a portion of the critics. It happens from time to time. This could have easily been the case with a "Dragon Age: Origins II." I think a lot of the criticisms of the first game were simply overlooked, or forgotten, because of the lore and the character depth. Rarely does that happen twice, however.

How is that not a certainty? it's all people wanted and expected, fans and critics alike, people wanted Origins 2 maybe with some cool new additions but the Origins formula was the core of the Dragon Age experience that people liked. 

Look at these scores dropping for DA2, do you honestly think a 3 year Origins 2 project crafted by Bioware would get less than a 90? maybe by some no name game critic website it will get a 60 saying oh its the same but it would receive critical acclaim and possibly be a goty nominee, DA2 on the other hand is not in the class of a goty game. 

Didn't work with Awakening though. Or, if you want to go back to the classics, check how using the same formula in three games of a series ruined the Might and Magic series. (M&M 10 being the worst RPG I have ever played)

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But the gameplay of Awakenings wasn't criticised! If you read the negative reviews of Awakenings, it had nothing to do with it being too similar to Origins. In fact - it was the opposite! The idea was that the story wasn't strong enough, the companions not strng enough, etc. The fact that it got an actually OK metacritic score was because the gameplay was at least up to Origins's standards, desptie the rest of the game being mediocre.

Yes. Awakenings sucked because... it sucked. Not because it's mechanics were similar to Origins, lol!!! It sucked because it took those great base mechanics and did absolutely nothing interesting with them. Now we have DA2 which abandoned a bunch of great mechanics and did absolutely nothing interesting with the "NEW and IMPROVED" mechanics! A total lose-lose situation.

[NotFrom4chan]

The scores are pretty good considering how rushed the game was. Even on these forums there are people who genuinely like the game. And given that those people write like they're 12 years old, Bioware and EA are probably reasonably happy with how things turned out.

[Yaaman]

I really loved DA2. I think it's a great game, and I haven't actually experienced a single bug while playing (second time through). The problem with DA2 is that we've come to expect more than "great" from bioware. They are one of the few companies that we've come to associate with incredible games. This is the reason that DA2 is a disappointment.

[jhneoh81]

The score is deserved. It's the worst game Bioware ever made.

[Volourn]

No. No, it isn't. That battle is between KOTOR, SS, MDK2, and S:RPG. DA2 is about equal to DA1.

Ratings, and reviews should be irrelevant. People keep using 'user reviews' from metacritic as 'proof' yet other sites have user ratings higher than that. And, 'professional' reviews have always been untrustworthy? I mean ME2 at 96? Come on. That's balony. I mean it deserves at least a 99 right? RIGHT? And, KOTOR is way too highly rated for being BIO's most dumbed down game with the absolute worst combat in any BIO game.

R00fles!

[Luc paquin]

dragon age 2 is not bad but the first was far mutch better.

here are my point of view: the bad:

1-The glitchs in the movies sequences on x-360 are frustating and numerous
2- the fact that you can't equip your team like the first game is a little bit sad.
3- If you have play all the dlc of dragon age origins you have only 3 news kinds of monsters to fight in da2 this is for me the most poor part of this game.
4- A very few places to go in term of locations: a city and a mountain ? thats all ? come on!
5- The fan service apperence of somes characters of dragon age origins just to be there ( flémeth and lilianna are the exeptions they are part of the story) is fun but this is a little bit silly too.

the good:

1-The combats are more fluid and realistics ( a little bit more gruesome too !!!) the ia of your compagnions seem upgraded.
2- fights involves more opponents at the same time and make combats more epic.
3-easier access to rares equipements is a good thing .this game have a more good balance than the first on this.
4-the choices for the dialogue of your heroes are greatly improved but have sadly a little less impact on the story (still good and fun)
5-Varrick was a great character and make a serious competion in my heart against Ogren.
6-Sondal was a surprise for me i don't expect is return in this game he was helpful and funny like always.

the ugly:
1-the story of da2 is just plain not bad but plain..... the bigger part of it is the war about the mages and the chantry we don't feel involve in this story if we don't play a Mage.The Story of the first game was so great thats i am really surprise of the thin scenario of the sequel.....I hope thats the choices we made on da2 have a real impact on the story for future games of the franchise if not it will be a real deception for me
2-In the first game we have races to plays why not in da2 ??? All the setting are there to play a rebel Quanari,a Dwarf of the carta or a dalatian elf on the verge of the dangerous city of Kirkwall.Why impose to us this human noble who have lost somes of is sibling and (again like the first game !!!!) is rank of noblility???? I don't feel compel to play again this game with another class because it will be too close from the main story this is a little bit sad .
3- Graphics are mutch better but why most of the characters in the city have the same costumes like in the first game???? ( ok we see many news kind of armors) but the mages in particulars have the same vestments and for the civilians and background characters the designers of the game have made a lasy jobs( most of the costumes are the same in dragonage origins) I can take thats the féreldians refugees have féreldians clothes but not the majority of the city !!!!! The story focus on telling us thats we are in a exotic place were many cultures cooexist and we don't see it in civilans only with very few compagnions like Isabella and the quanari.

Last comment : Its not easy i am sure to make some change in the background of the city but in a scale of ten years only one thing change in the city your statue after you have kill the leader of the quanari!!!! It was fun to see this change but pin point to me thats nothing else has change in the city in ten years!!!!! ( not a so a bad thing after all but its put in my brain a weird feeling about the statics state of the city)