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[Yalision]

While I love Bioware and enjoyed DA2, which now has a metacritic average of 80... disastrous... You missed Sonic Chronicles: The Dark Brotherhood which had a 74 metacritic average.

EDIT: Ah, rereading I see this was already pointed out. Either way... still pretty unfortunate. A game that was good, but not what it should have been. A proper sequel with the same visuals as the original would have suited me just fine, but at the very least they should keep the improved responsiveness of the combat for future iterations.

A silent protagonist doesn't take away from a sequel for me either if it means in exchange I also get more character customization such as races and origins again.

Modifié par Yalision, 21 mars 2011 - 04:06 .

[NWN DM]

Akka le Vil wrote...

Seing Neverwinter Night with such a high score make me cry all over.
DA2 was disappointing and had lots of flaws, but it's still ten times better than the huge pile of crap that the official campaign of NWN was.

It is truly amazing that people still  think of NWN as being "just" the OC. 

What with endless value from the Toolset, DMClient and on-line play which is still going strong today.

[Sandmanifest]

DA2 Trolled Me wrote...

stewie1974 wrote...

where is KOTOR 2 on that list?

Was made by Obsidion.

They make Bioware sequels better than Bioware does.

Huh. So far I've seen nothing wrong with that statement.

Modifié par Sandmanifest, 21 mars 2011 - 04:14 .

[Vicious]

Really, Bioware took 7 years to put out Dragon Age: Origins. Do you think EA [or hell their stockholders] would let them take another 7 years for DA2?

They shot themselves in the foot.

[Il Divo]

NWN DM wrote...

It is truly amazing that people still  think of NWN as being "just" the OC. 

What with endless value from the Toolset, DMClient and on-line play which is still going strong today.

I'm aware of the online community that Neverwinter Nights brought into existence. But I personally have never been much of a modder or an online gamer (barring WoW). For me, the best aspect of Bioware games is the single player campaign, which Neverwinter Nights utterly failed in. Hence why it's the only Bioware game I can honestly say I did not enjoy.

[Altima Darkspells]

DA2 Trolled Me wrote...

stewie1974 wrote...

where is KOTOR 2 on that list?

Was made by Obsidion.

They make Bioware sequels better than Bioware does.

Is it wrong that I think KotOR2 made KotOR better than it was?

[robotnist]

the main problem with DA2 is that people can't discern the difference between "dislike" and "bad game".

theres a HUGE difference.

the game is not bad because MANY people are loving it, including myself. so it must be that many people just dislike it, i wonder why they assume its a bad game just because "they" don't like it?

people want to impose their opinions of DA2 for some reason, but DA2 is biowares "album". its their reflection of creativity, story and expression. is their art. they are not wrong for showing us what happens in kirkwall when the hawkes come back to roost.

its already been stated that dragon age's main protagonist/antagonist is Thedas. were seeing a section of the world with a magnifying glass. social turmoil, monster conflict, power upheavals in the various high positions of kirkwall... its all very interesting.

to me, kirkwall is a great microcosm of thedas to explore how a city thrives and exists in the age of dragons. people are only seeing what happens to dragon age when you take away stuff like high camera angles, armor for NPCs etc...

theyre totally missing the grand picture...

[Korusus]

Regardless of how I feel about DA2 (not a bad game by any means), and as much as I like BioWare...I've been fascinated the last few days watching those scores drop.  The PC score started at 85 and hung around at 83 for a while, and then now it's at 82.  The X360 started at 83 and has now dropped to 80 and stayed there...it will be interesting to see if it falls into the 70s.  

I think the reason the PC rating was so high for so long was the ridiculous review from PCGamer, and the fact that there were relatively few reviews for the PC version vs. the other two to begin with.  Now they're catching up.  Either way, definitely the lowest rated BioWare game I've ever seen in my decade of following the company (and that includes expansions).

It's interesting that the inflated reviews came out early on and the more realistic ones took longer (must be because they actually played the game).

[Chunkor]

etherhonky wrote...

people want to impose their opinions of DA2 for some reason, but DA2 is biowares "album". its their reflection of creativity, story and expression. is their art. they are not wrong for showing us what happens in kirkwall when the hawkes come back to roost.

its already been stated that dragon age's main protagonist/antagonist is Thedas. were seeing a section of the world with a magnifying glass. social turmoil, monster conflict, power upheavals in the various high positions of kirkwall... its all very interesting.

to me, kirkwall is a great microcosm of thedas to explore how a city thrives and exists in the age of dragons. people are only seeing what happens to dragon age when you take away stuff like high camera angles, armor for NPCs etc...

theyre totally missing the grand picture...

I definitely agree with you to a point. Dragon Age II was an incredibly ambitious project. I always applaud developers for taking risks, especially when they do it with a sequel to an acclaimed game. I like that the devs tried to set DA2 apart from its predecessor and tried to make it its own game, while also retaining that familiar DA feel. However, somewhere along the line, they slipped up.

After a lot of fan outcry about there being only one race, the Bioware devs tried to assuage them by saying that the point was that although everyone has a similar beginning, their endings would be affected by their decisions. So, instead of having multiple origin stories, you would have multiple endings. This was simply not the case. The story was completely linear. Bioware did not deliver the branching story that they're known for.

You also simply cannot overlook the major technical flaws throughout the game. It's as if they didn't playtest it at all and threw it at us, hoping we wouldn't notice. Well, we did, Bioware. We noticed when we had quests that remained unfinished in our journals because of bugs that you left unfixed. We noticed when bosses would stop moving completely and bent over for our characters.

So although you may like it despite it's flaws - I do, too - the game is far from perfect. It lacks the polish that is expected of major titles like this. Because of this, Dragon Age II simply can't be called a "good game." It has its positive aspects, but they can't save it from mediocrity (it should also be stated that mediocre is neither a good nor bad thing).

[Moving808s]

I haven't played every Bioware game. I played BG1, BG2 and DA:O. DA2 is far worse than all of them, so it makes sense that it has a worse metacritic rating.

[Foolsfolly]

Altered Idol wrote...

I played another good game that was panned by the critics, namely Alpha Protocol.

And after that, the sequel was cancelled. Lets hope they don't do the same with Dragon Age as I am looking forward to DA:3. Losing the franchise completely would be disastrous.

On the flip side, I enjoyed the game so these scores don't mean much to me at the moment

This has nothing to do with the topic but.....

Alpha Protocol deserved a sequel. Was it the best game ever? No. Not really. But it was good. It was a solid spy game. It should have had a sequel.

[BeljoraDien]

Hey, anyone else notice that DA2's metacritic score of 82 is closer to Sonic Chronicle's score of 74 than it is to DA:O's score of 91?

[Foolsfolly]

Sandmanifest wrote...

DA2 Trolled Me wrote...

stewie1974 wrote...

where is KOTOR 2 on that list?

Was made by Obsidion.

They make Bioware sequels better than Bioware does.

Huh. So far I've seen nothing wrong with that statement.

Mass Effect 2 is far and away better than Mass Effect.

[casedawgz]

Foolsfolly wrote...

Altered Idol wrote...

I played another good game that was panned by the critics, namely Alpha Protocol.

And after that, the sequel was cancelled. Lets hope they don't do the same with Dragon Age as I am looking forward to DA:3. Losing the franchise completely would be disastrous.

On the flip side, I enjoyed the game so these scores don't mean much to me at the moment

This has nothing to do with the topic but.....

Alpha Protocol deserved a sequel. Was it the best game ever? No. Not really. But it was good. It was a solid spy game. It should have had a sequel.

If only because it had an achievement for having sex with every possible character in one playthrough. That's how you make players feel like an international superspy.

[TileToad]

Altered Idol wrote...

I played another good game that was panned by the critics, namely Alpha Protocol.

And after that, the sequel was cancelled.

Ever since Alpha Protocol received the undeserved low ratings I've lost all trust in so called critics. That game truly deserved a sequel.

[TileToad]

Foolsfolly wrote...

Mass Effect 2 is far and away better than Mass Effect.

Only in your dreams.

[Foolsfolly]

TileToad wrote...

Altered Idol wrote...

I played another good game that was panned by the critics, namely Alpha Protocol.

And after that, the sequel was cancelled.

Ever since Alpha Protocol received the undeserved low ratings I've lost all trust in so called critics. That game truly deserved a sequel.

Best spy game since Splinter Cell: Chaos Theory.

The later games are too shoot 'em up. I like stealth and Alpha Protocol rewarded stealth players. Of course, it also rewarded them because the enemy AI was stealth games circa 1997. They sometimes didn't see you when you were walking up right to their face.

Other times they saw you through walls. There was one Teipei mission where they also saw him around the exact same wall.

It was a fun game with a decent story. Not the best game in the world but solid enough that a sequel would have meant a lot of improvement and refining the story a bit more. The generic Private Military Contractors are evil thing was kind of boring but they could gone just about anywhere with a sequel.

Dragon Age 2 isn't as good as the first game but it's not a bad game either. It's an enjoyable game with a plot that either's not there enough for it's forcing itself on you. The lack of different outcomes to missions was annoying. You just expect a BioWare game to offer different outcomes.

There's a lot of good improvements to series in the game though. I enjoyed the combat more, liked the CCC's, and the new skill trees were a welcome addition. I really feel like as far as gameplay and design goes it's biggest sin was the constant reusing of maps. And as far as storytelling and writing goes it's biggest sin was the plot lack motivation.

Characters were extremely well done. DIalogue was a joy, as usual. And it was cool to have companions with their own agendas; last game only had Morrigan this game has more but this is a spoiler-free zone so I won't say who or what they want.

Not a bad game. Not a great game. Not up to its full potential. But it's a game that's worth having and maybe some of the DLC will really rock.

80-85/100 is about right as far as a ratings.

[Foolsfolly]

TileToad wrote...

Foolsfolly wrote...

Mass Effect 2 is far and away better than Mass Effect.

Only in your dreams.

Not just mine, sir. Look at the OP. ME2's their best rated game. And it should be. I'm a long time BioWare fan and that game was great. Can't wait for Arrival and ME3.

[Arian Dynas]

I'm calling bull**** here. It's being panned on METACRITIC, a site FOR the people BY the people, which is to say, stuffed with trolls wanting to make trouble and with people whining and crying "RUINED FOREVER WAAAAHHH!!!" all this ****ing gets NO smypathy from me, and to be honest, I find threads like this one childish, immature and pointless. Also, for the record, since lying about critical scores is considered a No-no in the free market, the PROFESSIONAL critics, who do this for a living and are (mostly) impartial are giving it two thumbs up.

[rokeeb]

addu2urmanapool wrote...

InHarmsWay wrote...

An 82?

That's like chastising a child for getting a B+ instead of an A.

An 82 is a B/B-, not a B+.

Over here, an 82 is an A

[Warheadz]

Foolsfolly wrote...

TileToad wrote...

Foolsfolly wrote...

Mass Effect 2 is far and away better than Mass Effect.

Only in your dreams.

Not just mine, sir. Look at the OP. ME2's their best rated game. And it should be. I'm a long time BioWare fan and that game was great. Can't wait for Arrival and ME3.

If I may express my own opinion, Mass Effect 2 improved on the gameplay aspects but removed a bit of the... originality Mass Effect had. I thought both of them were good games, but if I had to choose between the two of them I would choose the first game. It had a better feeling and atmosphere than Mass Effect 2 (but in all honesty, the best thing so far in ME series is ME 2's strong, strong finish).

Modifié par Warheadz, 21 mars 2011 - 08:28 .

[Warheadz]

Arian Dynas wrote...

I'm calling bull**** here. It's being panned on METACRITIC, a site FOR the people BY the people, which is to say, stuffed with trolls wanting to make trouble and with people whining and crying "RUINED FOREVER WAAAAHHH!!!" all this ****ing gets NO smypathy from me, and to be honest, I find threads like this one childish, immature and pointless. Also, for the record, since lying about critical scores is considered a No-no in the free market, the PROFESSIONAL critics, who do this for a living and are (mostly) impartial are giving it two thumbs up.

Critics aren't gods, you know. Just read a review of the Catcher in a Rye and then read the book.

[TwistedComplex]

The lowest rated Bioware game has an 82?

That's something to be PROUD of...

[ahpuch]

Bioware, i am disappoint.

There are accusations that their staff have been writing overly positive reviews. perhaps that increased the score.

Take a look at the player reviews that are written by people that aren't raging. They aren't too good.

Modifié par ahpuch, 21 mars 2011 - 08:43 .

[TwistedComplex]

Alex Kershaw wrote...

tenshi_no_hone wrote...

because as we know, 82 is a terrible score...

It may be the lowest rated of Bioware's games (bar SC:DB) but that doesn't make it a bad game! Even if it wasn't my favourite, I still loved it.

Accusing it of being a truly terrible game is not supported by this score, just that it doesn't quite meet the greatness of Mass Effect or DA:O. It's being damned by slightly less glowing praise rather than outright hatred by its scores!

82 is actually pretty bad. You can't use 82/100 in the same way you'd rate other things - in games, 85 is about average for a game that's good enough to be worth buying.

No, to USER SCORES an 8/10 is average

To actual reviewers who are in touch with reality, a 5/10 is average

The game has an 82 professional score