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[rak72]

There was nothing like "you're pretty hot for a demon" right after the guy has to kill his BFF. You could choose to take the relationships as fast or slow as you liked in DAO, and I appreciated that. You also were given a chance to comfort someone about their friend before you unleshed the cheesy pickup lines. I know you like the game, Aeowyn. That's great for you. I was very disappointed in a lot of it and I would like to make my voice heard. No need to be condescending towards everyone who disagrees with you.

[Aeowyn]

My point wasn't to be condescending. My point was that so many assume that just because you could speak to your companions in DAO whenever, it had more character content and romance, when really, it didn't.

[Mr.House]

I enjoyed the Isabela and Merrill romance alot (Isabela being my third fav LI) Tho I hope there will be more in the future, the lack of conversations in act 1 was a downer, even tho there was alot of conversations in act 2 and 3.

[Melca36]

I try not to compare the games...

I do wish there were more conversations in DA:2 though.

[jlb524]

I think both had their highs and lows. I don't really like how in Origins you could finish the romance by the half-way point of the game and there was no more content

I guess there was more dialog in Origins though...

On the other hand, I do prefer the romances to be spread out over the game more by requiring a certain milestone to be reached before moving to the next stage and DA2 did this. If you are unable to speak to your companions whenever, so be it. This would have prevented me from rushing through the Leliana romance my first pt and feeling disappointed when nothing else happened for more than half of the game.

My favorite BW romances are still in Baldur's Gate 2, and their romance conversations ran on a timer as well as being dependent on plot events.

[Taura-Tierno]

jlb524 wrote...

I think both had their highs and lows. I don't really like how in Origins you could finish the romance by the half-way point of the game and there was no more content

I guess there was more dialog in Origins though...

On the other hand, I do prefer the romances to be spread out over the game more by requiring a certain milestone to be reached before moving to the next stage and DA2 did this. If you are unable to speak to your companions whenever, so be it. This would have prevented me from rushing through the Leliana romance my first pt and feeling disappointed when nothing else happened for more than half of the game.

My favorite BW romances are still in Baldur's Gate 2, and their romance conversations ran on a timer as well as being dependent on plot events.

I definitely agree, about everything except BG2. I would've wanted more discussions though; like ... just getting to know the other character. More trivial things, really. Everyday stuff, that still lets you know the character a little better. Like, Leliana telling stories, or having the humorous conversations with Alistair. 

Generally, the romances were a lot better here than in DA:O though, for the above reasons. 

I never got involved in the romances in Baldur's Gate 2, though. I guess they weren't my taste ...

[frustratemyself]

I may be wrong but you seem to get different dialogue depending on whether you play as male or female. I started a male Hawke last night and got dialogue from Anders in general conversation that my female Hawke either missed out on or had to be a heinous puppy kicking **** to get. Not real cool.

More conversations with your companions would have been awesome, that was a definate high point for DA:O. But after Awakenings we should have expected it to be pared down.

[DahliaLynn]

Aeowyn wrote...

My point wasn't to be condescending. My point was that so many assume that just because you could speak to your companions in DAO whenever, it had more character content and romance, when really, it didn't.

Speaking to your companions in DA:O actually allowed you to get to know them over the span of the entire game. Gifts aside, my first playthrough for DA:O I had no idea about any romance, and yet I felt sucked in slowly by the ever evolving dialogue options. I also didn't have many gifts as I played through, and only gave one whenever I did come across one. 

Shoving them with gifts for approval for me is more of a metagaming approach and your choice to do so. For someone who plays as a first time, the build and relationships to your companions were delicately crafted and felt more than natural.

In DA2, it feels very rushed and disconnected unfortunately. I am only in midgame, and I found out, that I can not romance Anders for example, ever, because I simply didn't feel like I wanted to when the time was right. I barely knew him/spoke to him, yet I was given quite a few extreme dialogue options that would have never come natural to me, because I didn't feel the three year connection Hawke supposedly experienced. That for me was a downer. I realize I shouldnt be comparing the two games, both are set up quite differently. But if we are doing that already, my choice for romance so far is DA:O hands down. 

In short, I literally *felt* the romance (Alistair) build, rather than imagined it (DA2) for the sake of having a romance.

Edit:
I think it makes perfect sense to be able to talk to your companions in their homes, and not talk to them of their past and histories while in between battles or dangerous situations.
If they would have expanded on that, allowed a bit more "getting to know", I think the romance aspect would have come much more naturally.

Modifié par DahliaLynn, 22 mars 2011 - 11:45 .

[Demarco09]

DahliaLynn wrote...

Aeowyn wrote...

My point wasn't to be condescending. My point was that so many assume that just because you could speak to your companions in DAO whenever, it had more character content and romance, when really, it didn't.

Speaking to your companions in DA:O actually allowed you to get to know them over the span of the entire game. Gifts aside, my first playthrough for DA:O I had no idea about any romance, and yet I felt sucked in slowly by the ever evolving dialogue options. I also didn't have many gifts as I played through, and only gave one whenever I did come across one. 

Shoving them with gifts for approval for me is more of a metagaming approach and your choice to do so. For someone who plays as a first time, the build and relationships to your companions were delicately crafted and felt more than natural.

In DA2, it feels very rushed and disconnected unfortunately. I am only in midgame, and I found out, that I can not romance Anders for example, ever, because I simply didn't feel like I wanted to when the time was right. I barely knew him/spoke to him, yet I was given quite a few extreme dialogue options that would have never come natural to me, because I didn't feel the three year connection Hawke supposedly experienced. That for me was a downer. I realize I shouldnt be comparing the two games, both are set up quite differently. But if we are doing that already, my choice for romance so far is DA:O hands down. 

In short, I literally *felt* the romance (Alistair) build, rather than imagined it (DA2) for the sake of having a romance.

Edit:
I think it makes perfect sense to be able to talk to your companions in their homes, and not talk to them of their past and histories while in between battles or dangerous situations.
If they would have expanded on that, allowed a bit more "getting to know", I think the romance aspect would have come much more naturally.

 I totally agree.  I mean, I love the new look of DA 2... Its graphics are MUCH better.  BUT... and I stress that BUT   as everyone else has really stressed was that there was no depth or "feeling" to these new companions.  The occasional friendly banter was funny and I did enjoy. But they had that in DAO as well, hearing Morrigan and Alistair was the greatest part of me randomly walking around haha   I miss the humor that alistair provided as well, Varric IS funny, but damn alistair had me laughing out loud. 
And seriously, if Bioware would even look at some of these threads on these forums and saw how seriously disappointed with the romances, it would even benefit them MORE by coming out with a DLC that expanding conversations, romances, options, feelings, interactions between all the characters, even the other companions acknowledging the romances you have (as mentioned earlier).  Shoot, if they made a damn good DLC that had all that included... I would pay the price of a new game for that.  Serious.  I love this game. My husband is either always deployed or gone on courses for the military, so hence my obsession with gaming.  And with DA:O and DA 2 I have nothing but time to spend on these games.  And I am sure I would not be the only person who would pay to have a DLC to make the game a whole once more.  DA:O had it correct with the depth and interactions. The characters were alive, they had feelings, they had their own stories to tell, they did have their own opinions but there was a time and a place for their own beliefs... if a mage was being tortured... they didnt start cheering and buying everyone a round, they were more sympathetic to the different struggles of mages or templars. 
It just seems like they spent all their time on graphics and quests and the whole comapanion/romances was an after thought....  They could have done sooo much with this new game. SO much!

[Demarco09]

damn net posted it twice hehe

Modifié par Demarco09, 23 mars 2011 - 12:45 .

[theradicalpunk]

If anything this is a learning curve for Bioware and EA. If they keep the tempo up of character neglect between PCs and NPCS well they may see sells plummet. I don't find that character experiences as enriching as DA:O/A.

And the codex does nothing for me... I can equate it to masturbation. Just boring to read about how characters acted in year spans.. I know what does this real well and doesn't leave me hanging without character explanation and their called books.

When I want to read, that's what I do get a book.

[Riona45]

jlb524 wrote...

I think both had their highs and lows. I don't really like how in Origins you could finish the romance by the half-way point of the game and there was no more content

Yes, in that sense I don't think it's such a bad thing when the game forces you to pace yourself.

My favorite BW romances are still in Baldur's Gate 2, and their romance conversations ran on a timer as well as being dependent on plot events.

They were quite wonderful and hard to match, although in that game, you could never initiate dialogue with your companions.

Modifié par Riona45, 23 mars 2011 - 12:53 .

[Cenwyn]

I just got done with my first DA2 game and going for round two. I have say I truly did enjoy and had a blast playing the game. But I do agree that the talking/more interaction aspects with our companions compared to Origins was lacking. Granted we were not in a centralized location but had to go talk to them in their respective house. Okay I can deal with but unless it was quest related or triggered you could not talk to them except for the banter line. That reminded me to much of Awakenings where you just don't feel that connected. DA2 Idid make me feel more of a connection that Awakenings but still. I felt I did not have an much intimacy with my Non-LI companions when compared to Origins.

Plus we did not have the option of kissing, hugging or sleeping with our LI once we returned home or wherever . That was a big disappointment for me on that one aspect That is partly what made Origins a huge hit. Bioward put out a great game but it is missing the conversation elements Origins has for your companions.

OH and one thing I am very happy about is our Hawke has a voice!!!!!!!!!!!! Finally get to hear myself talk.

I hope in DA3 Bioware takes example and makes the dialog system like DA2 but make the dialog with our companions like Origins. Regardless I still will play DA2 religiously as I have already romanced Anders, next is Fenris then moving on to the others. )

[SurelyForth]

Having thought about it, I actually prefer the way DA2 handled the relationships and companion growth. Their contributions to discussions, and their banter/involvement with other companions replaces some of the "Tell me about this topic now." stuff in DAO that I found myself skipping after the first couple of playthroughs. As a result, the world feels more organic.

Sidenote: I would not have minded more quests like the loyalty quests in ME2, because a few of those blew me away and went a long way towards shaping my character as much as establishing the companion's characterization. The trade-off for that depth, however, was more limited one-on-one conversations.

I think my biggest complaints about the romance would be that I'd find Act 2 pretty unsatisfying if I were romancing Fenris, considering how early on that can be done and over until Act 3.

Modifié par SurelyForth, 23 mars 2011 - 01:44 .

[monima]

Celbess wrote...

Demarco09, monimakitten, fluorine7... This is my first post ever here since I'm more a reader than a writer but I wholeheartedly agree with you and thus, I also want to voice my disappointment with romances in DA2.

I so miss the occasional kisses and chats and tent visits with Zevran and Alistair, and the intriguing love scene with the best love song EVER. <3 I really relly adore the character design of Fenris and I like his rough temper but I so longed to see more of his lyrium markings.  I just don't understand why Bioware certainly seems to favour "chaste marriages" (Sebastian was a no-go for me after that scene ) . And it's not only about the love scene itself, the whole romance lacks depth. While I do like DA2, the romancing part was so disappointing that it made the game somehow incomplete for me. I hoped for so much more. Heck, I'd even pay money for any additional romance option. Might be a good DLC idea, Bioware. Oh well, I guess I need to continue re-loading and re-playing my Zevran and Alistair romances until then...

well welcome then:D I would have loved to see the lyrium markings as well. I agree the romances lack depth. Alistair broke my Wardens heart when he dumped her the first time around. Fenris dumping Hawke did not have the same impact. Oh well maybe the next game wil take the best from two games and make it better

[monima]

DahliaLynn wrote...

I think it makes perfect sense to be able to talk to your companions in their homes, and not talk to them of their past and histories while in between battles or dangerous situations.
If they would have expanded on that, allowed a bit more "getting to know", I think the romance aspect would have come much more naturally.

I agree. I loved camp, but I dont mind the companions having their own homes. And not decleare their love for me in the Deep roads (oh Alistair<3) However I wish you could talk to them outside quest about silly things

[ejoslin]

I would have liked more one-on-one conversation if in a romance -- just a bit more buildup.

Also, that three year gap between act 2 and 3 made for some VERY unrealistic scenarios. It would have been nice to see the relationships actually mature in those years rather than be at a total standstill.

Edit: I will admit I really did like the forced pacing of the relationships.  In DAO I wanted more interactions, and DA2 definitely has fewer.  Even a "I had a rough day" type cutscene option when going to a LI's home would be nice.

Modifié par ejoslin, 23 mars 2011 - 06:58 .

[hoorayforicecream]

I just posted this in the Isabela thread, but I do kind of wish they had done this for everyone in DA2. There doesn't seem to be enough touching in DA2 as an indication of endearment. I mean small stuff, like holding hands, hugging, or just touching in general. I understand that a good part of this is because there are clipping issues, but that doesn't stop it in many cases, like the various kisses and such. I was rather disappointed when my love interest of choice came in to comfort me after Leandra's death, and she just sort of awkwardly sat down next to me. No arm around the shoulder, or no holding Hawke's hand... just sat there. Or when the love interest is rescued from the kidnappers in Act 3, no relieved hug, or holding of hands or anything. A small addition like that would have gone a long way to help cement the relationship in my eyes.

[ejoslin]

Oh, gah, that the LI actually came in to comfort Hawke was a huge improvement over Origins where no matter what the tragedy, it was ignored. But yes, some touching would be nice. Even if it was just an additional option at home.

[Sarielle]

monimakitten wrote...

I agree. I loved camp, but I dont mind the companions having their own homes. And not decleare their love for me in the Deep roads (oh Alistair<3) However I wish you could talk to them outside quest about silly things

This would be ideal for me, as well.

I like random silly/lighthearted dialogues that aren't tied to any specific timeframe/event (or even you get new ones per act, or something). But I also liked them having their own homes/lives, seeing my friends visiting each other as well as me (more of that would be superb). Just a "Hey, how's it going Varric! Ooh, I want in on yours and Isabela's drinking contest!" type things if you randomly stop by, and keep the scripted ones with quest indicators for bigger events/turning points.

But I'm sure that's a time/resources limitation thing.

[Numara]

I missed talk to your character's lover in party and kiss him/her every time you want

[Taura-Tierno]

hoorayforicecream wrote...

I just posted this in the Isabela thread, but I do kind of wish they had done this for everyone in DA2. There doesn't seem to be enough touching in DA2 as an indication of endearment. I mean small stuff, like holding hands, hugging, or just touching in general. I understand that a good part of this is because there are clipping issues, but that doesn't stop it in many cases, like the various kisses and such. I was rather disappointed when my love interest of choice came in to comfort me after Leandra's death, and she just sort of awkwardly sat down next to me. No arm around the shoulder, or no holding Hawke's hand... just sat there. Or when the love interest is rescued from the kidnappers in Act 3, no relieved hug, or holding of hands or anything. A small addition like that would have gone a long way to help cement the relationship in my eyes.

Good point. I didn't mind that during after the death, though. I was too happy to see the LI appearing there at all (like ejoslin said, an improvement over Origins in itself), but ... seeing as who had died, the lack of touching felt ... appropriate. I guess it would depend on the character. My Hawke romanced Fenris, and it felt really appropriate that he didn't do anything. I'd wager he'd be reluctant to have anyone touch him when he's all emotionally upset, at least at first. 

I did like the moment after having killed Danarius though, when you tell Fenris "You still have me", and he touches Hawke's cheek. I think those are the moments you're looking for? I agree there should've been more. Just things in passing, like a kiss on the cheek or a gentle touch of hands or ... something. There were a few of those, but yeah. More

[monima]

Taura-Tierno wrote...



I did like the moment after having killed Danarius though, when you tell Fenris "You still have me", and he touches Hawke's cheek. I think those are the moments you're looking for? I agree there should've been more. Just things in passing, like a kiss on the cheek or a gentle touch of hands or ... something. There were a few of those, but yeah. More

Is it her cheek he touches? sweet.i wasnt sure.

[Zetsuie1]

 Okay, I am romancing Isabela and I'm in act 2.  I slept with Anders then broke his heart told him he wasn't any good.  Do I still get to romance Isabela fully?

[Taura-Tierno]

monimakitten wrote...

Taura-Tierno wrote...



I did like the moment after having killed Danarius though, when you tell Fenris "You still have me", and he touches Hawke's cheek. I think those are the moments you're looking for? I agree there should've been more. Just things in passing, like a kiss on the cheek or a gentle touch of hands or ... something. There were a few of those, but yeah. More

Is it her cheek he touches? sweet.i wasnt sure.

"His" cheek in my playthrough but yeah. Fenris did. It was really sweet.

 a clip of it with a femHawke.